WELFARE - doing my harm than help for American Society?

[AAP]

Ok txbootyman gave me this idea from the other thread.

Do you think if Welfare was eliminated at the end of this year (or next year, some type of timeline - whatever) would the American Societ as a whole improve or deteriorate further?

This isn't a political question so spare us all the "liberal" and "conservative" crying on here.

As you know, my perception of welfare isn't a pleasant one.

 

[75th]

Nothing wrong with certain aspects of assistance, but the way its worked now is just an abomination.

 

[75th]

Oh, and like health care, each state should have its own system. I've lived in a few different states, and believe it or not different states have different needs as far as their population is concerned.

 

[AAP]

Nothing wrong with certain aspects of assistance, but the way its worked now is just an abomination.

I have always felt that welfare should have a 2 year limit maximum? Why two years? Because that is enough time to take advantage of the education aspect of it and return to get a two year associate degree in something to employ yourself with.

If bitches got time to sit at home all day doing jack shit, they got time to better themselves or else when the two years if up, they starve.

 

[75th]

I have always felt that welfare should have a 2 year limit maximum? Why two years? Because that is enough time to take advantage of the education aspect of it and return to get a two year associate degree in something to employ yourself with.

If bitches got time to sit at home all day doing jack shit, they got time to better themselves or else when the two years if up, they starve.

NEO CON!

 

[the_alcatraz]

welfare makes people lazy. Immigrants come into a country and discover new ways to drain it by finding ways to get their asses on welfare.

In Canada, when you apply for welfare, you need charts and excel sheets showing contacts with companies and proof you've been avidly applying for jobs, and I believe you have to had worked before in the country.

I think welfare laws in the states make it too easy for people to accept the "ghetto" lifestyle instead of fighting and working for more....when you are given and not expected to give back, you don't have a reason to seek self-improvement.

 

[stosstruppe]

As with the UK, welfare laws just need to be more stringent / aggressively enforced. Perfectly reasonable for a civilised society to maintain its old and disabled members, but the sheer volume of people claiming welfare because they can't work for w/e bullshit reason needs to be drastically reduced.

 

[billfred]

Society without Welfare

 

[Dial_tone]

I have always felt that welfare should have a 2 year limit maximum? Why two years? Because that is enough time to take advantage of the education aspect of it and return to get a two year associate degree in something to employ yourself with.

If bitches got time to sit at home all day doing jack shit, they got time to better themselves or else when the two years if up, they starve.

I think two years sounds good; some sort of gradual phaseout. Is there some unbiased site that explains how it all works? I don't actually know and I doubt most people truly do either.

 

[GoldenDelicious]

welfare should be there as a safety net for members of society who contribute to that society, to keep their heads above water in times of NEED while they sort stuff out and do what theyre supposed to be doing, which is getting a job.

the problem seems to be that welfare support is so generous that it competes with actual work as a source of income, which raises a couple of issues - 1) why must welfare recipients be given such excess and 2) why are full time jobs providing workers with such shitty rewards

if welfare isnt there or is very poor, then you create socil problems like poverty, secondary desperation, and ultimately, violence and crime (where do the worst mafias come from? the poorest places) and then you have to deal with those via policing and jial (both of which are expensive)

if welfare is too generous, then you create social problems like entitlement mentalities, poor work ethos etc.

based on that, its clear that welfare is a good thing, so long as the right balance is struck between the two. personally, id prefer giving people money to stay home and watch tv rather than pay money to keep those people in jail after they got so desperate taht they did something terrible to somebody in order to get at their wealth.

ever heard of the australian mafia? me niether. all the potential members are at home watching soap operas, smoking weed. compare that with the gated communities of south africa. where would you rather be

 

[drsketch]

Isnt welfare on a timeline now? I think as long as a person is going through the programs to further education and job training then they should be able to get it. Especially single moms.

 

[gotmilk]

Well, workfare was deemed illegal by the courts. I mean, why get like 5 hours a week of trash pick-up when they can sit on their ass for the entire week.

Just like how immigrants abuse SSI, which was supposed to be for disabled people who physically cannot work.

 

[txbondsman]

I have always felt that welfare should have a 2 year limit maximum? Why two years? Because that is enough time to take advantage of the education aspect of it and return to get a two year associate degree in something to employ yourself with.

If bitches got time to sit at home all day doing jack shit, they got time to better themselves or else when the two years if up, they starve.

Yep, two years max, no "do-overs", you can take one year, then get off, but after one more year on the government plan for sucess, your through. There would have to be monies made available for daycare, and daycares created, but in the long run, it would be a way out of that government trap.....

Wisconsin had something like this at one time, don't know if it worked out or not.

 

[needtogetarmy]

I have always felt that welfare should have a 2 year limit maximum? Why two years? Because that is enough time to take advantage of the education aspect of it and return to get a two year associate degree in something to employ yourself with.

If bitches got time to sit at home all day doing jack shit, they got time to better themselves or else when the two years if up, they starve.

I agree.

 

[txbondsman]

Repost from what I wrote on, "What a true conservative believes" thread.

For years, I held meetings with the alcohol/ drug rehab in Waco. The race make up was 50% black, 25% hispanic and the same white, consistantly. At least 4-5 X's a year, someone would bring up this subject, welfare. The first time it came up I was litterally floored. The majority, like 80%, said that the biggest contributing factor for thier situation was.... what? Welfare. The synopsis was that their families had been crippled by depending on the government, they had no drive to succeed which kept the families in poverty. They had great contempt for the governmment for making it too easy to just sit around and wait on an existance check. Many, not all, many had that feeling. I wish I had a nickel for everytime they said that if it wasn't available, grandaddy, daddy and momma would have had to work and that would have given them the opportunity to succeed in getting out of the projects or low income govt housing, the high crime high drug use areas which they grew up in.

I can't write well enough to put it all in context, but that is what I heard MANY times over. I wish everyone could have had that experience, it would change many minds on how minorities are percieved about welfare.

 

[cindylou]

they give welfare to mothers because they cant work BECAUSE they have a child. I dont think many men relate to this because men dont have to think about that when they have kids.

i think its more just to ensure the baby has food and shelter, more than trying to "take care" of mothers.

its a shame that its so abused. I couldnt image the type of human being who would have a baby just for a tiny little check and some food stamps.

 

[Dial_tone]

Repost from what I wrote on, "What a true conservative believes" thread.

For years, I held meetings with the alcohol/ drug rehab in Waco. The race make up was 50% black, 25% hispanic and the same white, consistantly. At least 4-5 X's a year, someone would bring up this subject, welfare. The first time it came up I was litterally floored. The majority, like 80%, said that the biggest contributing factor for thier situation was.... what? Welfare. The synopsis was that their families had been crippled by depending on the government, they had no drive to succeed which kept the families in poverty. They had great contempt for the governmment for making it too easy to just sit around and wait on an existance check. Many, not all, many had that feeling. I wish I had a nickel for everytime they said that if it wasn't available, grandaddy, daddy and momma would have had to work and that would have given them the opportunity to succeed in getting out of the projects or low income govt housing, the high crime high drug use areas which they grew up in.

Then really the issue is education assistance, not financial assistance. Why work for a minimum wage job when welfare will pay you the same? However, if you have the skills to get a $15/hour job most would not choose to stay on welfare. So force recipients into job training or something.

 

[heatherrae]

I personally would like to see programs that help people in areas where work is scarce. I would like to see minimum wage increased and maybe vouchers for daycare, healthcare, and transportation for working moms and dads, so that it makes economic sense for them to go to work.

Then, welfare could be used to help when people are laid off or some other temporary problem happens.

Also, I would like to see disability given more fairly. When my mom was dying of cancer, they finally were convinced she was "disabled" the week before she died. I mailed their check back to them with a note, "Thanks for finally approving her disability. Unfortunately, she is DEAD now."

 

[HAYEZ]

i think it would be like africa..all these motherfuckers just chillin next to there shacks waitin for someone to throw some rice and bread at them...
handicapped people and mental people i understand there nothign they can do...lazyness is no excuse if it was up to me id put all trash on 1 island and let them kill themselves off...be like survivor but real...lmfao

 

[Dial_tone]

I personally would like to see programs that help people in areas where work is scarce. I would like to see minimum wage increased and maybe vouchers for daycare, healthcare, and transportation for working moms and dads, so that it makes economic sense for them to go to work.

Raising minimum wage is a band-aid on a shotgun wound. Someone who is supporting a family on minimum wage needs job training, not a $0.50 raise. That's only $20 a week.

 

[stosstruppe]

the problem seems to be that welfare support is so generous that it competes with actual work as a source of income, which raises a couple of issues - 1) why must welfare recipients be given such excess and 2) why are full time jobs providing workers with such shitty rewards

Agreed - not everyone gets to be a doctor, lawyer, banker etc though if they're working 40+ hours a week then imho they are at least entitled to a wage that allows for a decent lifestyle so as to actually show "hey, it's a shitty boring job, but it's definitely better than being on welfare."

The welfare system in the UK is fast competing with minimum wage jobs; why spend 40 hours a week being a janitor or a cleaner for minimum wage when you can just go on welfare with a "disability" etc.

 

[txbondsman]

Then really the issue is education assistance, not financial assistance. Why work for a minimum wage job when welfare will pay you the same? However, if you have the skills to get a $15/hour job most would not choose to stay on welfare. So force recipients into job training or something.

yes, period. end of story. In my experience, most would give it a go, the ones that do not, well. sorry, there HAS to be some kind of stopping point.

 

[AAP]

There would have to be monies made available for daycare, and daycares created,

They already have daycare assistance available.

Food stamps
Housing stamps (yeah believe it or not they actually get gov't assistance so they can live somewhere else BESIDES the projects. WTF?)
Utility vouchers
Daycare
Free tuition coverage for community colleges and technical schools !!!AND!!! each week you are in school you qualify for a meal voucher, free bus/rail card or $25 gasoline card.
Health coverage
Personal skills workshops
etc...

Hell they get everything paid for except their cellphone bill and hairdo. Which on the 1st and 15th that check takes care of that.

the problem with daycare is that unlike actually taking their kids to a certified daycare, they instead try to take them over to their friends house from church who "be watching ebbbybody's kids all da time".

 

[Smurfy]

^lol AAP

 

[heatherrae]

They already have daycare assistance available.

Food stamps
Housing stamps (yeah believe it or not they actually get gov't assistance so they can live somewhere else BESIDES the projects. WTF?)
Utility vouchers
Daycare
Free tuition coverage for community colleges and technical schools !!!AND!!! each week you are in school you qualify for a meal voucher, free bus/rail card or $25 gasoline card.
Health coverage
Personal skills workshops
etc...

Hell they get everything paid for except their cellphone bill and hairdo. Which on the 1st and 15th that check takes care of that.

the problem with daycare is that unlike actually taking their kids to a certified daycare, they instead try to take them over to their friends house from church who "be watching ebbbybody's kids all da time".

Untrue in all respects.

I know a family with five kids where the dad got permanently injured working. No, he isn't a lay-about. He genuinely can hardly move now and is on disability. The mom works 2 jobs. Still they get food stamps. You want to know how much the government gives them to feed 7 people per month? $150 dollars. Their mortgage is $1000 per month. All in all, they have $1800 per month coming in. One of their daughters turned 13 today, and she wouldn't have even gotten a birthday cake or a present, but I stepped in and got one for the family so they could celebrate.

I can't believe anyone with a good job would point their fingers at the poor like that. Gosh, people, be happy that you are so fortunate. Bad shit can happen to all of us.

 

[AAP]

Untrue in all respects.

I know a family with five kids where the dad got permanently injured working. No, he isn't a lay-about. He genuinely can hardly move now and is on disability. The mom works 2 jobs. Still they get food stamps. You want to know how much the government gives them to feed 7 people per month? $150 dollars. Their mortgage is $1000 per month. All in all, they have $1800 per month coming in. One of their daughters turned 13 today, and she wouldn't have even gotten a birthday cake or a present, but I stepped in and got one for the family so they could celebrate.

I can't believe anyone with a good job would point their fingers at the poor like that. Gosh, people, be happy that you are so fortunate. Bad shit can happen to all of us.

Whoa whoa whoa... don't you see the problem ^^^ there?

SHE IS WORKING!!!!!

If she wasn't working, she would qualify for more. That ain't no joke. I am serious.

 

[EnderJE]

Welfare is a great idea. Abuse of welfare is shitty. It's hard to say which is which.

 

[Smurfy]

Untrue in all respects.

I know a family with five kids where the dad got permanently injured working. No, he isn't a lay-about. He genuinely can hardly move now and is on disability. The mom works 2 jobs. Still they get food stamps. You want to know how much the government gives them to feed 7 people per month? $150 dollars. Their mortgage is $1000 per month. All in all, they have $1800 per month coming in. One of their daughters turned 13 today, and she wouldn't have even gotten a birthday cake or a present, but I stepped in and got one for the family so they could celebrate.

I can't believe anyone with a good job would point their fingers at the poor like that. Gosh, people, be happy that you are so fortunate. Bad shit can happen to all of us.

if he was injured working then shouldnt he be collecting workman's comp from his employer? and if he cant work permanently, then what he qualify for as far as LTD/SSI goes?
My ex-husband was injured on the job right after I had my son and he was out of work for almost a year going to PT and unable to work but he collected WOrkman's comp. Luckily he wasnt permanently disabled but what i was making wasnt enough to care for our entire family. My parents had to step in and help out when things got real bad (couldnt pay the bills)

 

[heatherrae]

Whoa whoa whoa... don't you see the problem ^^^ there?

SHE IS WORKING!!!!!

If she wasn't working, she would qualify for more. That ain't no joke. I am serious.

Regardless, I don't know where you live but a family of 4 here would receive about $150/mo for food stamps and $300/mo for welfare. There are no vouchers for gas, transportation and all the other stuff you mentioned. I think that they do have a sliding scale to help working parents with daycare and medical cards for the munchkins, but you do have to pay for it.

So, these people definitely are living hand to mouth, at least in KY.

Like I said in another thread. I saw a mom who had to feed her family nothing but potatos and milk.

 

[Dial_tone]

Untrue in all respects.

I know a family with five kids where the dad got permanently injured working. No, he isn't a lay-about. He genuinely can hardly move now and is on disability. The mom works 2 jobs. Still they get food stamps. You want to know how much the government gives them to feed 7 people per month? $150 dollars. Their mortgage is $1000 per month. All in all, they have $1800 per month coming in. One of their daughters turned 13 today, and she wouldn't have even gotten a birthday cake or a present, but I stepped in and got one for the family so they could celebrate.

According to my Social security doohickey I get over $1,500 if i'm disabled. It might even be $2K. If she works TWO jobs and their total is $1,800/month wtf does she do? recycle cans?

 

[75th]

wtf does she do? recycle cans?

LOL

 

[heatherrae]

According to my Social security doohickey I get over $1,500 if i'm disabled. It might even be $2K. If she works TWO jobs and their total is $1,800/month wtf does she do? recycle cans?

She teaches and he draws disability. They are good people.

I know when the government finally decided that my mom was disabled (the same month she DIED they were finally convinced she was too sick to work) they gave her something like $300 bucks. Yeah, thanks lots! I spent more than that a month on her adult diapers and Ensure meal replacements.

 

[gotmilk]

Then, welfare could be used to help when people are laid off or some other temporary problem happens.

That's what worker's comp/unemployment can cover. Plus, the Department of Labor provides money for unemployment with grant money for job retraining. Welfare should only be available to those who

Also, I would like to see disability given more fairly.

Can't, because there are nearly 8 million foreigners who receive SSDI from $500 to over $1000 per person/monthly. The Bushies want to give amnesty to another 12 Million illegals who are already here and give another 5 Million people from Iraq/Afghanistan/Darfur etc access to SSI/SSDI.

There's no money left for the people who actually were born here and hurt themselves over the course of their work periods.

Los Angeles County is on pace to pay out $450 Million in additional food stamps/welfare/benefits in 2008 alone not counting what the Federal Government pays out in SSI/SSDI to refugees relocated in Los Angeles.



http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/rb/RB_1298TMRB.pdf

 

[roadwarrior]

I have always felt that welfare should have a 2 year limit maximum? Why two years? Because that is enough time to take advantage of the education aspect of it and return to get a two year associate degree in something to employ yourself with.

If bitches got time to sit at home all day doing jack shit, they got time to better themselves or else when the two years if up, they starve.

I don't know if welfare is the worst thing that ever happend to US but it contributes to many other problems and is self perpetuating as it is currently administered/ delivered.

Two year limit is good but I would require them to be in job training, GED, community college or something that is going to improve them. Oh and drug/ alcohol testing... don't believe in any co-dependent system supporting problems then saying the system is needed. If they drink/ drug then get in a program or use soem damn will-power and quit.

I think welfare as a hand out is bad but do not have an issue with locally delivered and adjusted a/r aid to help people stand on their own feet. The message should be clear... you have to stand on your own feet or be prepared to prove why you can't.

And being on welfare or any other assistance does not mean you get any of the luxuries in life. Eat mac n' cheese, live in a dorm, take public transportation, wear second hand clothes etc. A person does not have to take the assistance but if they want it then they need to comply with the rules... not my rules but whatever rules are defined by the system which should represent the local/ state wishes in this area.

 

[chazk]

Nothing wrong with certain aspects of assistance, but the way its worked now is just an abomination.

LOL abomination ... A insult to god . LOL
you welfare slug you are a abomination !

 

[heatherrae]

I don't know if welfare is the worst thing that ever happend to US but it contributes to many other problems and is self perpetuating as it is currently administered/ delivered.

Two year limit is good but I would require them to be in job training, GED, community college or something that is going to improve them. Oh and drug/ alcohol testing... don't believe in any co-dependent system supporting problems then saying the system is needed. If they drink/ drug then get in a program or use soem damn will-power and quit.

I think welfare as a hand out is bad but do not have an issue with locally delivered and adjusted a/r aid to help people stand on their own feet. The message should be clear... you have to stand on your own feet or be prepared to prove why you can't.

And being on welfare or any other assistance does not mean you get any of the luxuries in life. Eat mac n' cheese, live in a dorm, take public transportation, wear second hand clothes etc. A person does not have to take the assistance but if they want it then they need to comply with the rules... not my rules but whatever rules are defined by the system which should represent the local/ state wishes in this area.

yeah, that is our big problem today -- welfare! LOLOLOLOLOL. Oh please, it is a MINISCULE budget expense, but you want to worry about whether these people eat generic mac and cheese or the Kraft brand while we spend billions to blow people up for oil money. Yeah, people don't look at the man behind the curtain.

 

[75th]

yeah, that is our big problem today -- welfare! LOLOLOLOLOL. Oh please, it is a MINISCULE budget expense, but you want to worry about whether these people eat generic mac and cheese or the Kraft brand while we spend billions to blow people up for oil money. Yeah, people don't look at the man behind the curtain.

Cancer doesn't kill as many people as heart disease, so fuck looking for a cure.

Besides its not only about the expense but the culture it breeds.

 

[canadianhitman]

I have always felt that welfare should have a 2 year limit maximum? Why two years? Because that is enough time to take advantage of the education aspect of it and return to get a two year associate degree in something to employ yourself with.

If bitches got time to sit at home all day doing jack shit, they got time to better themselves or else when the two years if up, they starve.

+1

I agree wholeheartedly. I'd even take it a step further: you have to enrol for classes/apprenticeship to even see your first welfare payment. If you stop attending, you stop getting paid. If you flunk out, you stop getting paid.

 

[heatherrae]

Cancer doesn't kill as many people as heart disease, so fuck looking for a cure.

Besides its not only about the expense but the culture it breeds.

really it is useless to even discuss this with y'all because you have no idea what the reality of the situation is. You've never been hungry and you will never know.

 

[canadianhitman]

Untrue in all respects.

I know a family with five kids where the dad got permanently injured working. No, he isn't a lay-about. He genuinely can hardly move now and is on disability. The mom works 2 jobs. Still they get food stamps. You want to know how much the government gives them to feed 7 people per month? $150 dollars. Their mortgage is $1000 per month. All in all, they have $1800 per month coming in. One of their daughters turned 13 today, and she wouldn't have even gotten a birthday cake or a present, but I stepped in and got one for the family so they could celebrate.

I can't believe anyone with a good job would point their fingers at the poor like that. Gosh, people, be happy that you are so fortunate. Bad shit can happen to all of us.

First problem I see with that....having FIVE kids. It's just plain irresponsible to have more kids than you can afford. Even if this guy hadn't been injured on the job, you really think they'd have their heads above water with five kids to take care of? Unless you're rich, you have no business having five kids.

 

[Dial_tone]

First problem I see with that....having FIVE kids. It's just plain irresponsible to have more kids than you can afford. Even if this guy hadn't been injured on the job, you really think they'd have their heads above water with five kids to take care of? Unless you're rich, you have no business having five kids.

I had a mgr long ago that was making $22K absolute tops. He had 3 kids under 7 years old. He was devout Christian and believed The Lord would provide for as many kids as The Lord gave them. He wasn't on welfare but no doubt they could have used it.

 

[canadianhitman]

I had a mgr long ago that was making $22K absolute tops. He had 3 kids under 7 years old. He was devout Christian and believed The Lord would provide for as many kids as The Lord gave them. He wasn't on welfare but no doubt they could have used it.

When someone like that shows up looking for assistance, they should put a condition on it: a vasectomy. Or if it's a woman, tubal ligation. You don't get fixed, you don't get a cent. It's the only way to protect idiots from themselves.

 

[SouthernLord]

kind of off topic, but funny as shit.....

My neighbor is a police officer. He is partially disabled so he works command at a substation. This substation is in an economically distressed/high crime area. To get HUD housing you must have a criminal background check, so all the lowlifes go to his substation to get checked out. The stupid fuckers go there to get background checks with warrants. He arrests at least three people a week applying for HUD. This isn't petty shit either. Armed robbery, carjacking, attempted murder wtf? How stupid can you be? I guess it is an example of our government entitlement programs gone bad. These people have to know they are wanted. Yet, they still go to the police station to apply for free handouts.

If you want welfare you should be subjected to random drug tests, there should be a set limit of benefits regardless of how many dependents you have, and there should be a two year maximum time frame for benefits. A lot of people are born into disparity and depend on the government for every little thing. Look at the people in New Orleans who are still living in tents and getting free food. These entitlements are all these people know. If you were born into this environment and raised to depend on the government, why would you want to better yourself? Would you strive to achieve and do something for yourself, or would just sit back and collect a check?

 

[75th]

really it is useless to even discuss this with y'all because you have no idea what the reality of the situation is. You've never been hungry and you will never know.

Gimme a break.

You've never been on trial for murder, so you have no business defending someone who is.

Just because some people here haven't missed lunch doesn't mean they don't have the right and responsibility to review how our money is being spent.

 

[roadwarrior]

yeah, that is our big problem today -- welfare! LOLOLOLOLOL. Oh please, it is a MINISCULE budget expense, but you want to worry about whether these people eat generic mac and cheese or the Kraft brand while we spend billions to blow people up for oil money. Yeah, people don't look at the man behind the curtain.

HR... where have I ever said I was in support of a war machine? I want strong defense yes but I have repeatedly stated that I do not believe the US should interfere in the governing of soveriegn nations.

You are on the war path against anyone who does not support a protectionist provider centralized goverment that is going to redistribute wealth so everyone can have a "good" life regardless of their skills, work, or other contribution. And yes, I do believe there should be limits and controls on the way people live on my money. I paid over $120k in taxes last year to fed and state and expect the goverment to spend it responsibly. I will never support a prtoectionist and provider federal goverment nor will I support our current policy in the middle east though I will always support the men and women of the armed forces.

 

[redguru]

I personally would like to see programs that help people in areas where work is scarce. I would like to see minimum wage increased and maybe vouchers for daycare, healthcare, and transportation for working moms and dads, so that it makes economic sense for them to go to work.

What should we raise the minimum wage to? $15 an hour, $20 an hour? How about $50 an hour

 

[roadwarrior]

What should we raise the minimum wage to? $15 an hour, $20 an hour? How about $50 an hour

I can see the sarasm there. Imagine what goods and services would cost if we paid based on giving everybody a good life instead of supply and demand for the skills required.

 

[chazk]

was not so much the new deal , lyndon johnson sighned alot of those welfare programs back in the 50's ,look it up

 

[mrplunkey]

was not so much the new deal , lyndon johnson sighned alot of those welfare programs back in the 50's ,look it up

That's impressive, considering he wasn't President until 1963

 

[Dial_tone]

was not so much the new deal , lyndon johnson sighned alot of those welfare programs back in the 50's ,look it up

Maybe you should look it up. Welfare started in the 30's under Roosevelt along with the Hoover Dam project in response to the Depression.

 

[-SD-]

That's impressive, considering he wasn't President until 1963

LBJist.

 

[redguru]

Maybe you should look it up. Welfare started in the 30's under Roosevelt along with the Hoover Dam project in response to the Depression.

the Hoover dam was only a front to hide Megatron.

 

[txbondsman]

kind of off topic, but funny as shit.....

My neighbor is a police officer. He is partially disabled so he works command at a substation. This substation is in an economically distressed/high crime area. To get HUD housing you must have a criminal background check, so all the lowlifes go to his substation to get checked out. The stupid fuckers go there to get background checks with warrants. He arrests at least three people a week applying for HUD. This isn't petty shit either. Armed robbery, carjacking, attempted murder wtf? How stupid can you be? I guess it is an example of our government entitlement programs gone bad. These people have to know they are wanted. Yet, they still go to the police station to apply for free handouts.

If you want welfare you should be subjected to random drug tests, there should be a set limit of benefits regardless of how many dependents you have, and there should be a two year maximum time frame for benefits. A lot of people are born into disparity and depend on the government for every little thing. Look at the people in New Orleans who are still living in tents and getting free food. These entitlements are all these people know. If you were born into this environment and raised to depend on the government, why would you want to better yourself? Would you strive to achieve and do something for yourself, or would just sit back and collect a check?

funny first part, damn good logic on the second.....
the admistration of some of the drug tests and shit would be an added cost to factor, but overall it should prove to save billions...