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http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?050124fa_fact

Despite the deteriorating security situation in Iraq, the Bush Administration has not reconsidered its basic long-range policy goal in the Middle East: the establishment of democracy throughout the region. Bush’s reëlection is regarded within the Administration as evidence of America’s support for his decision to go to war.

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Perfectworld, you need to quit being such a malcontent. Bush knows best. Just sit back and spend money to help the economy.
 
Tehran and then Ridayh

I say mop up these fucks while we are in the area
 
SYSTEM OF A DOWN DEER DANCE

Round, round
Circumventing circuses
Lamenting in process
To visible police
Presence sponsored fear
Batallions of riot police
With rubber bullet kisses
Baton courtesy
Service with a smile
Beyond the staples center you can see america
With it’s tired poor avenging disgrace
Peaceful loving youth against the brutality
Of plastic existence
Pushing little children
With their fully automatics
They like to push the weak around
Pushing little children
With their fully automatics
They like to push the weak around
Round, round
A rush of words
Pleading to disperse
Upon your naked walls, alive
A political call
The fall guy accord
We can’t afford to be neutral on a moving train
Beyond the staples center you can see america
With it’s tired poor avenging disgrace
Peaceful loving youth against the brutality
Of plastic existence
Pushing little children
With their fully automatics
They like to push the weak around
Pushing little children
With their fully automatics
They like to push the weak around
A deer dance, invitation to peace
War staring you in the face, dressed in black
With a helmet, fierce
Trained and appropriate for the malcontents
For the disproportioned malcontents.
The little boy smiled, it’ll all be well
The little boy smiled, it’ll all be well
Pushing little children
With their fully automatics
They like to push the weak around
Pushing little children
With their fully automatics
They like to push the weak around
Push the weak around
Push the weak around
Push the weak around
They like to push the weak around.


:jump: :jump: :flash: :jump: :jump:
 
PERFECTWORLD said:
Pushing little children
With their fully automatics
They like to push the weak around


:sick: :redhot: :vanp: :redhot: :vanp: :sick:


:FRlol: :nopity: :FRlol:
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damn dude, system of a down? this is who you quote? :shakes head:

i definetly expected better, what are you some 18yr kid????
 
Well since all the same cliche bullshit phrases that led up to the irqaqi invasion are now being said about Iran--I have no doubt about it. The shit has hit the fan, theres going to be a draft, etc. In my opinion worlds geologists have put us ona short timetable of running out of oil and were going in for it now. Dont take my word for it--go find some geologists and talk to them--you'll be in for an education. We are now under gov'ts plans that have no consideration for anyone other than number crunching. Run out of oil and all of us die, or get the shit flowing our way and only loose a few hundred 1000 and make some bucks as well. I firmly believe it.

And of course Bush says that his winning the reelect grants him this power(even though Kerry threw the election and hitech vote stealing took Ohio) so yeah asshole --50.0001% gives u the right to start WW3.
 
.............and since iran does have wmd---this should be a cakewalk for Bushco. You watch--that money hungry grubs gonna get us so fucked up and broke youll be fucking begging for a job at walmart. Iran is NOT iraq.
 
Gambino said:
damn dude, system of a down? this is who you quote? :shakes head:

i definetly expected better, what are you some 18yr kid????
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Do you think everybody is 18?
 
Only a retard would think we are going to attack Iran.

And no, having covert ops going on in that area means nothing.
 
i doubt it. firstly, the military is overstretched as it is in iraq - and that isnt going to get better any time soon. in fact, itll probably get worse, given that troops are really starting to crack, allies are pulling out, equipment is wearing, public opinion at home is changing, and most importantly, the iraqi resistance (NOT insurgency) is getting stronger, more organised, and numerous.

the US is pinned in iraq, like it or not. theyre flat out doing their job in iraq, and iran...lol iran is HUGE compared to iraq, it is far more populous, and their military is actually worth a damn. as i recall they recently had a military exercise that turned a few heads...

then factor in what North Korea will likely do if the americans go to iran (since they know that they are next), which is to nicely "lend" the iranians a nuclear bomb, which will likely be carried over into israel, AND the peoples of countries like pakistan and saudi arabia will probably freak out and buck their installed regimes.

nah. too many obstacles.
 
HumanTarget said:
you're absolutely certain this will not happen?
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Iran is less than a decade away from being probably our strongest ally next to Israel in that area.

The people love us, the few leaders despise us.
 
For years Intelligence like for CIA director Jim Woolsey have saying that their will be a democratic revolt against the Mullah leaders any time, hasnt happened yet, but the population is quite proamerican. Just knock out the leadership, make it a red state. Easy as pie!
 
BrothaBill said:
Easy as pie!
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is that like a cakewalk?

i dont think that there is much pro americanism in iran at this point, given what the US has been doing lately, US support of israel and therefoer deferred blame in the palestine issue, the whole "axis of evil" thing, and the recent setting of the stage for another invasion, attacking nuclear pacilities etc etc

the military exercise in iran wasnt timed that way by accident, you know. iran was sending a message
 
GoldenDelicious said:
is that like a cakewalk?

i dont think that there is much pro americanism in iran at this point, given what the US has been doing lately, US support of israel and therefoer deferred blame in the palestine issue, the whole "axis of evil" thing, and the recent setting of the stage for another invasion, attacking nuclear pacilities etc etc

the military exercise in iran wasnt timed that way by accident, you know. iran was sending a message
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Remember the Iran/Iraq war? Iranians are not big fans of Saddam Hussein and his regime after that long war that millions of people died not too long ago. Iraqis used chemical weapons on them and their no fans of their religious leaders. Several shows have done stories on the pro american spirit of the people, they werent that bad of a country in fact an ally with the Shaw as a leader until the 1979 muslim revolt, but just a few months ago a story on one of the major networks did a piece on this very issue of proamericanism, they interviewed civilians and even the students who were part of the us embassy takeover and the hostages have spoken on camera embarrassed of their actions. The people are different from the leadership.

Palestinian debate I think that people in Iran are smart enough to know that there always be a problem, afterall its been a 2000year old blood feud, itll never work out. Theyre more concerned about gaining more personal freedom, there is a very large youth population in Iran now that have satellite dishes and yearn to become more western, they even copy our clothing styles.
 
rsnoble-im-back said:
Well since all the same cliche bullshit phrases that led up to the irqaqi invasion are now being said about Iran--I have no doubt about it. The shit has hit the fan, theres going to be a draft, etc. In my opinion worlds geologists have put us ona short timetable of running out of oil and were going in for it now. Dont take my word for it--go find some geologists and talk to them--you'll be in for an education. We are now under gov'ts plans that have no consideration for anyone other than number crunching. Run out of oil and all of us die, or get the shit flowing our way and only loose a few hundred 1000 and make some bucks as well. I firmly believe it.

And of course Bush says that his winning the reelect grants him this power(even though Kerry threw the election and hitech vote stealing took Ohio) so yeah asshole --50.0001% gives u the right to start WW3.
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Interesting, I work with geologists every day drilling for oil and gas and have yet to hear any of them say we will be running out of oil anytime soon. We have plenty of it, the problem lies with our handling of domestic supplies and reserves. Another problem we face is that some of it currently beyond our technologicl means to get to it, for now at least.

The monster reserves in Alaska can sustain us for quite a while as well, but then you have environmental blow-hards protesting drilling in places in Alaska. They should really stop and take a long, hard look at the proposed drilling wasteland before they open their ignorant mouths.

I am curious though, since many of you think this war was only about oil. How much has our importation of oil from the Middle East increased since the start of the war?

We need to increase our own drilling domestically and team up with Canada and South America to increase as well so we are able to put some more pressure on OPEC and their control of oil prices worldwide.
 
mountain muscle said:
Interesting, I work with geologists every day drilling for oil and gas and have yet to hear any of them say we will be running out of oil anytime soon. We have plenty of it, the problem lies with our handling of domestic supplies and reserves. Another problem we face is that some of it currently beyond our technologicl means to get to it, for now at least.

The monster reserves in Alaska can sustain us for quite a while as well, but then you have environmental blow-hards protesting drilling in places in Alaska. They should really stop and take a long, hard look at the proposed drilling wasteland before they open their ignorant mouths.

I am curious though, since many of you think this war was only about oil. How much has our importation of oil from the Middle East increased since the start of the war?

We need to increase our own drilling domestically and team up with Canada and South America to increase as well so we are able to put some more pressure on OPEC and their control of oil prices worldwide.
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Yup plenty of oil for a long time to come and the small footprint that is available technologically today for drilling in the artic makes it a stupid decision not to.
If you think its all about oil we could have just lifted the oil embargo on Iraq and used all the money we spent on this war to buy a shitload of oil, blood for oil argument just falls flat.
 
BrothaBill said:
Remember the Iran/Iraq war? Iranians are not big fans of Saddam Hussein and his regime after that long war that millions of people died not too long ago. Iraqis used chemical weapons on them and their no fans of their religious leaders. Several shows have done stories on the pro american spirit of the people, they werent that bad of a country in fact an ally with the Shaw as a leader until the 1979 muslim revolt, but just a few months ago a story on one of the major networks did a piece on this very issue of proamericanism, they interviewed civilians and even the students who were part of the us embassy takeover and the hostages have spoken on camera embarrassed of their actions. The people are different from the leadership.

Palestinian debate I think that people in Iran are smart enough to know that there always be a problem, afterall its been a 2000year old blood feud, itll never work out. Theyre more concerned about gaining more personal freedom, there is a very large youth population in Iran now that have satellite dishes and yearn to become more western, they even copy our clothing styles.
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i think you should question your sources...i know middle eastern people from iraq, saudi, iran (they like to call themselves "persian") and maaaate, i have yet to hear any of them say anything pro american
 
GoldenDelicious said:
i think you should question your sources...i know middle eastern people from iraq, saudi, iran (they like to call themselves "persian") and maaaate, i have yet to hear any of them say anything pro american
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Thats b/c you hate America and dont surround yourself with proamerican people, check yourself biatch, you need a larger sample size for your conclusions and Saudis are Arabs. They practice wahhabism religion so the people do not like us! I trust experts on the region that Ive seen interviewed on this very subject on TV and I think if you did some research on news stories done about this topic youd find out your wrong.

And I cant believe you think N korea would "LEND" Iran a nuclear weapon. Countries just dont go about lending nukes especially if they use it~ the nuclear fuel used is easily identifiable as to where and what country manufactured it. N. Korea has just a few nukes at best. They would be incinerated by our retaliatory response. Prolly a good reason not to just LEND a nuke.
 
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I wouldn't go as far to call Iranians pro-American, but the populace is much more open to the idea of western ideals and Democracy. Theres no need to go into Iran, the people will revolt when they want it bad enough. And once we are successful in Iraq and Afghanistan it will only speed up the process.
 
75th said:
Only a retard would think we are going to attack Iran.

And no, having covert ops going on in that area means nothing.
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actually I read in stratfor.com that it might have been a bullshit story meant to fuck with the Iranians.

Either way, the big news about this is that someone in the CIA leaked this info. If it's true, that's a BIG leak.
 
bluepeter said:
I don't know why after the past four years but I would be surprised if they went after Iran.
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Logistically, it's not really feasable. Plus, we really don't have too much money floating around last time I checked.
 
the nature boy said:
read your post before this one before you make such comments.
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an 18 yr old would not know the capitals to Iran, Syria, or Saudi Arabia, of which my statement was based on. of course i was only joking, as i thought p.world was. i really don't think he believes we will attack Iran, he's just trying to stir shit up. LOL at assaination, sounds real democratic their fellas...

and yes bobber, i'm gonna question that someone is 18 when they quote System of a Down in political matters.
 
GoldenDelicious said:
i think you should question your sources...i know middle eastern people from iraq, saudi, iran (they like to call themselves "persian") and maaaate, i have yet to hear any of them say anything pro american
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dipshit...i live in the second largest muslim state outside the middle east (michigan) and they have quite a few postives to say about America.

you'll find a more real verison of truth if you consider all facts, not just the ones you want to hear
 
Attack on Iran can't be ruled out: Bush
Correspondents in Washington
January 19, 2005

GEORGE W. Bush has refused to rule out military action against Iran as the US turns up the heat over the Islamic state's suspected nuclear weapons program.

Mr Bush's comments contrast with Pentagon denials of a media report that the US is conducting secret missions in Iran to identify targets containing suspected weapons of mass destruction.

"I hope we can solve it diplomatically, but I will never take any option off the table," the US President said yesterday when asked about the potential for military attacks against Iran.

Mr Bush's comments came on the eve of Senate confirmation hearings for his new secretary of state, Condoleezza Rice, which will be closely watched for clues to the future direction of US foreign policy.

Dr Rice, Mr Bush's national security adviser and a close friend, was due to face the Senate foreign relations committee early today, Australian time, over her future role.





While the questioning is expected to be tough, particularly on Dr Rice's involvement in shaping policy on the Iraq war and her advice on the threat posed by al-Qa'ida, pundits see no real barriers to her confirmation as Colin Powell's replacement. Dr Rice, 50, was the first woman and the first African-American to be appointed national security adviser, and if confirmed will be the first black woman to be the US's chief diplomat.

Political observers will watch the hearings for any comments on Iran, which along with Iraq and North Korea, is part of Mr Bush's so-called "axis of evil".

Award-winning New Yorker reporter Seymour Hersh reported this week that the US has been conducting secret commando missions inside Iran since the middle of last year.

The missions, which Hersh said were approved by Mr Bush, aimed to identify weapons sites for possible US air strikes.

While Tehran insists its nuclear program is for peaceful purposes such as power generation, the US claims it is also for weapons production.

The Pentagon yesterday dismissed Hersh's report as "riddled with errors", but did not deny his central claim. Some observers said it would be surprising if the US were not trying to identify weapons sites in Iran as possible military targets.

"The Iranian regime's apparent nuclear ambitions and its demonstrated support for terrorist organisations is a global challenge that deserves much more serious treatment than Seymour Hersh provides," Pentagon spokesman Lawrence DiRita said. The article was "so riddled with errors of fundamental fact that the credibility of his entire piece is destroyed".

Hersh reported that Mr Bush had signed a series of top-secret executive orders authorising special forces units to conduct covert operations against suspected terrorist targets in up to 10 nations in the Middle East and south Asia.

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75th said:
Only a retard would think we are going to attack Iran.

And no, having covert ops going on in that area means nothing.
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I'm just curious, but do they speculate when we will run out? I know you work in the field, and I don't, but there is only a finite amount availible. Are we talking 100+ years, or like 10. Some people believe we already hit peak oil, and some don't.

mountain muscle said:
Interesting, I work with geologists every day drilling for oil and gas and have yet to hear any of them say we will be running out of oil anytime soon. We have plenty of it, the problem lies with our handling of domestic supplies and reserves. Another problem we face is that some of it currently beyond our technologicl means to get to it, for now at least.

The monster reserves in Alaska can sustain us for quite a while as well, but then you have environmental blow-hards protesting drilling in places in Alaska. They should really stop and take a long, hard look at the proposed drilling wasteland before they open their ignorant mouths.

I am curious though, since many of you think this war was only about oil. How much has our importation of oil from the Middle East increased since the start of the war?

We need to increase our own drilling domestically and team up with Canada and South America to increase as well so we are able to put some more pressure on OPEC and their control of oil prices worldwide.
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rsnoble-im-back said:
.............and since iran does have wmd---this should be a cakewalk for Bushco. You watch--that money hungry grubs gonna get us so fucked up and broke youll be fucking begging for a job at walmart. Iran is NOT iraq.
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I remember that we were going to invade Iraq a couple of years ago because they had WMD. I KNEW THIS WAS BULLSHIT. Just an excuse to take over another Arab country.
Did they ever find nukes?
No.
Its all about taking over the Islamic world and making them into idiotic "Americans" who are brainwashed to be perfect slaves, i.e. consumers and workers so the elites can live off their work, w/o working much themselves, i.e. nice vactions, cars, good hours, nice office, no doing the shit work.
 
Gambino said:
dipshit...i live in the second largest muslim state outside the middle east (michigan) and they have quite a few postives to say about America.

you'll find a more real verison of truth if you consider all facts, not just the ones you want to hear
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Hahaha, thats what Im saying. And I say we just find out where every mullah lives there, destroy the ruling theocracy in one surgical strike and leave a power vacuum and let democracy flow from the people as predicted will happen soon. Lets just speed up the process a bit.

Where at michigan. I have family all over there that state. I grew in cadillac/traverse city and split time with Warren in Detroit. SPent summers at grannies cottage in Hell/pinckney area. Lots of arabs, friendly peoople.
 
BrothaBill said:
Hahaha, thats what Im saying. And I say we just find out where every mullah lives there, destroy the ruling theocracy in one surgical strike and leave a power vacuum and let democracy flow from the people as predicted will happen soon. Lets just speed up the process a bit.

Where at michigan. I have family all over there that state. I grew in cadillac/traverse city and split time with Warren in Detroit. SPent summers at grannies cottage in Hell/pinckney area. Lots of arabs, friendly peoople.
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yeah bor, occupation of Iran would be bad pr wise, but swift removal of the mullahs would be a good game plan. Iran seems like a bastion of creativity and intellecualism just waiting to develop further...

LOL at the traverse city comment, i'm from and currently 45 miles east of tc, Gaylord...i used to go the NMC in tc (nmc= community college)

most of the arab peeps i know are good humble folks, though some of the chaldeans are dicks
 
Gambino said:
yeah bor, occupation of Iran would be bad pr wise, but swift removal of the mullahs would be a good game plan. Iran seems like a bastion of creativity and intellecualism just waiting to develop further...

LOL at the traverse city comment, i'm from and currently 45 miles east of tc, Gaylord...i used to go the NMC in tc (nmc= community college)

Definitely agree on the occupation, that would only serve to turn support away from the US as nationalism took hold. Yeah Iran will be democratic some day I bet the farm and within a decade on its own. We could just hasten it along a little. I dont see us going into Iran in any other way. Just have intelligence pinpoint the mullahs houses and send every smart bomb and cruise missile at them at once. Democracy will form in the power vacuum, if not then invade :mix:
No shite, Gaylord not too far away at all from where I lived. Its a number of years since Ive been back but I betcha weve stomped the same ground.LOL! Like at sleeping bear dunes or something. Or skied the same ski slopes.
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BrothaBill said:
Gambino said:
yeah bor, occupation of Iran would be bad pr wise, but swift removal of the mullahs would be a good game plan. Iran seems like a bastion of creativity and intellecualism just waiting to develop further...

LOL at the traverse city comment, i'm from and currently 45 miles east of tc, Gaylord...i used to go the NMC in tc (nmc= community college)

Definitely agree on the occupation, that would only serve to turn support away from the US as nationalism took hold. Yeah Iran will be democratic some day I bet the farm and within a decade on its own. We could just hasten it along a little. I dont see us going into Iran in any other way. Just have intelligence pinpoint the mullahs houses and send every smart bomb and cruise missile at them at once. Democracy will form in the power vacuum, if not then invade :mix:
No shite, Gaylord not too far away at all from where I lived. Its a number of years since Ive been back but I betcha weve stomped the same ground.LOL! Like at sleeping bear dunes or something. Or skied the same ski slopes.
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or slayed the same hoz
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Whether i agree with your ideals or not PW, i think you are a pretty cool individual from what i've seen on these boards.

HOWEVER, your avatar (a blatant sign of disrespect to the flag and the country) showing Old Glory in distress makes me want to pick up my M16A2 and put two through your skull.

You might as well be wiping your ass with the flag, and that pisses a Marine like me off.
 
coverguy said:
Whether i agree with your ideals or not PW, i think you are a pretty cool individual from what i've seen on these boards.

HOWEVER, your avatar (a blatant sign of disrespect to the flag and the country) showing Old Glory in distress makes me want to pick up my M16A2 and put two through your skull.

You might as well be wiping your ass with the flag, and that pisses a Marine like me off.
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Way to uphold the constitution there by trying to supress free speach.
 
a blatant sign of disrespect to the flag and the country
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Not what It Means.

If your a Troop You Should Know.

showing Old Glory in distress
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OK Never Mind.

You Know What It Means.

What Were We Talking About?

Oh yeah....

IMO We as a Country are In Distress.

Our Troops are In War.

They are Loosing and Dying.

Not Because Of thier Ability Or bravery.

Because BuSH & CO. wont/wouldnt Listen To The War Planners.

All For Money and Oil.

As well as Our Countries Basic Rights Being Eroded Away.

The Whole Place Is Going To Hell.

In Every way Imaginable.

This Is My Opinion.
 
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Im Pretty Sure That This Just A Scare Tactic Regarding Nukes.

But

If You Think That Bush CANT be This Stupid To Do So...

Let Me Say........



bwhahahahahahahahhahahahahahaahahahahahaha.

p.s.


Did You Know Haliburton Is Drilling Gas Right Now There as well?

I didnt Think We could Do Business with Terrist Nations?

neat.
 
Dirk Howat said:
I remember that we were going to invade Iraq a couple of years ago because they had WMD. I KNEW THIS WAS BULLSHIT. Just an excuse to take over another Arab country.
Did they ever find nukes?
No.
Its all about taking over the Islamic world and making them into idiotic "Americans" who are brainwashed to be perfect slaves, i.e. consumers and workers so the elites can live off their work, w/o working much themselves, i.e. nice vactions, cars, good hours, nice office, no doing the shit work.[/QUOTE

Isn't that the system they already have? A few rich oil families running everything and everybody else is a peasant? I guess American influence might turn them into consumer/worker/MTV watchers, etc. Who knows, maybe if they had alcohol and pornography they could let off steam and stop wanting to blow themselves up. America needs oil, I don't think the government is really concerned about what Muslims do with their lives. If there was no oil in the Middle East then I doubt America would want anything to do with the region. You mention "idiotic" Americans. There are idiots in every country. To me, idiotic is thinking that you can blow yourself up in a crowd of women and children and be rewarded with 72 virgins. That is very idiotic.
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Breeze said:
Dirk Howat said:
I remember that we were going to invade Iraq a couple of years ago because they had WMD. I KNEW THIS WAS BULLSHIT. Just an excuse to take over another Arab country.
Did they ever find nukes?
No.
Its all about taking over the Islamic world and making them into idiotic "Americans" who are brainwashed to be perfect slaves, i.e. consumers and workers so the elites can live off their work, w/o working much themselves, i.e. nice vactions, cars, good hours, nice office, no doing the shit work.[/QUOTE

Isn't that the system they already have? A few rich oil families running everything and everybody else is a peasant? I guess American influence might turn them into consumer/worker/MTV watchers, etc. Who knows, maybe if they had alcohol and pornography they could let off steam and stop wanting to blow themselves up. America needs oil, I don't think the government is really concerned about what Muslims do with their lives. If there was no oil in the Middle East then I doubt America would want anything to do with the region. You mention "idiotic" Americans. There are idiots in every country. To me, idiotic is thinking that you can blow yourself up in a crowd of women and children and be rewarded with 72 virgins. That is very idiotic.
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So freedom of choice to consume/work/watch whatever is bad thing and these people should not have a choice. And youre saying that their standard of living will NOT improve in a capitalist economy but would be better in a totalitariam system. UMMM Okay, whats the best form of government for people then?
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PERFECTWORLD said:
Not what It Means.

If your a Troop You Should Know.



OK Never Mind.

You Know What It Means.

What Were We Talking About?

Oh yeah....

IMO We as a Country are In Distress.

Our Troops are In War.

They are Loosing and Dying.

Not Because Of thier Ability Or bravery.

Because BuSH & CO. wont/wouldnt Listen To The War Planners.

All For Money and Oil.

As well as Our Countries Basic Rights Being Eroded Away.

The Whole Place Is Going To Hell.

In Every way Imaginable.

This Is My Opinion.
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Things are a little more optimistic in my situation.
Any soldiers life loss is tragic, but prolly safest war ever. In ww1 the battle of verdunne, one battle 700,000 french and german troops were killed, it was a meat grinder. The estimate for the death total in WWII including civilian casualties was 50million people. 25 million russians alone. Roughly 50,000-60,000 in each Korean and vietnam war. If I was going to fight in a war methinks itd be this one.
And were not losing, we control the country. If it was just for money and oil we couldve lifted the oil embargo and bought a shitload of oil for all we spent on the war. That wasnt the intent of the neocons like Wolfowitz who were for the war, whether you agree with theyre view of a free Iraq as a first step in bringing democracy to the region. Its clearly different than a money and oil motivation. We are now in this country, we cant just leave can we? What do you think we should do listen to the war planners who argue for more troops, or pull out and what would be the outcome of that? Positive or negative in the long run?
 
Doesnt matter.

Negative.

Whole New Generations Of Terrorists.

Soooo many More.

War begets War.

They count on it.
 
PERFECTWORLD said:
SYSTEM OF A DOWN DEER DANCE

Round, round
Circumventing circuses
Lamenting in process
To visible police
Presence sponsored fear
Batallions of riot police
With rubber bullet kisses
Baton courtesy
Service with a smile
Beyond the staples center you can see america
With it’s tired poor avenging disgrace
Peaceful loving youth against the brutality
Of plastic existence
Pushing little children
With their fully automatics
They like to push the weak around
Pushing little children
With their fully automatics
They like to push the weak around
Round, round
A rush of words
Pleading to disperse
Upon your naked walls, alive
A political call
The fall guy accord
We can’t afford to be neutral on a moving train
Beyond the staples center you can see america
With it’s tired poor avenging disgrace
Peaceful loving youth against the brutality
Of plastic existence
Pushing little children
With their fully automatics
They like to push the weak around
Pushing little children
With their fully automatics
They like to push the weak around
A deer dance, invitation to peace
War staring you in the face, dressed in black
With a helmet, fierce
Trained and appropriate for the malcontents
For the disproportioned malcontents.
The little boy smiled, it’ll all be well
The little boy smiled, it’ll all be well
Pushing little children
With their fully automatics
They like to push the weak around
Pushing little children
With their fully automatics
They like to push the weak around
Push the weak around
Push the weak around
Push the weak around
They like to push the weak around.


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"meet the new boss,same as the old boss"
THE WHO
 
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4everhung said:
we agree!
see PW,different generations
same shit
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Im sure We agree

On a lot more Than you Think.

Under all the Bullshit

Im sure most Everyone Feels the Same way I do.
 
Breeze said:
Dirk Howat said:
I remember that we were going to invade Iraq a couple of years ago because they had WMD. I KNEW THIS WAS BULLSHIT. Just an excuse to take over another Arab country.
Did they ever find nukes?
No.
Its all about taking over the Islamic world and making them into idiotic "Americans" who are brainwashed to be perfect slaves, i.e. consumers and workers so the elites can live off their work, w/o working much themselves, i.e. nice vactions, cars, good hours, nice office, no doing the shit work.[/QUOTE

Isn't that the system they already have? A few rich oil families running everything and everybody else is a peasant? I guess American influence might turn them into consumer/worker/MTV watchers, etc. Who knows, maybe if they had alcohol and pornography they could let off steam and stop wanting to blow themselves up. America needs oil, I don't think the government is really concerned about what Muslims do with their lives. If there was no oil in the Middle East then I doubt America would want anything to do with the region. You mention "idiotic" Americans. There are idiots in every country. To me, idiotic is thinking that you can blow yourself up in a crowd of women and children and be rewarded with 72 virgins. That is very idiotic.
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You're right. Much more idiotic than those that believe Jesus is their saviour and that if they follow his supposed teachings, they will go to paradise when they die. At least the 'idiots' that are blowing themselves up have some mitigating circumstances involved. What's a Christians excuse?
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BrothaBill said:
So freedom of choice to consume/work/watch whatever is bad thing and these people should not have a choice. And youre saying that their standard of living will NOT improve in a capitalist economy but would be better in a totalitariam system. UMMM Okay, whats the best form of government for people then?
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That's not what I said at all. I was being a little sarcastic, but I was basically saying that if they are exposed to capitalism maybe they would find better things to do than wage Jihad. They don't seem to have very much to look forward to. I dated a girl who's dad came to the US from Iran because he was a Christian and was having a tough time over there. Good people, her brother is a US Marine.
 
Ish said:
Attack on Iran can't be ruled out: Bush
Correspondents in Washington
January 19, 2005

GEORGE W. Bush has refused to rule out military action against Iran as the US turns up the heat over the Islamic state's suspected nuclear weapons program.

Mr Bush's comments contrast with Pentagon denials of a media report that the US is conducting secret missions in Iran to identify targets containing suspected weapons of mass destruction.

"I hope we can solve it diplomatically, but I will never take any option off the table," the US President said yesterday when asked about the potential for military attacks against Iran.

Mr Bush's comments came on the eve of Senate confirmation hearings for his new secretary of state, Condoleezza Rice, which will be closely watched for clues to the future direction of US foreign policy.

Dr Rice, Mr Bush's national security adviser and a close friend, was due to face the Senate foreign relations committee early today, Australian time, over her future role.





While the questioning is expected to be tough, particularly on Dr Rice's involvement in shaping policy on the Iraq war and her advice on the threat posed by al-Qa'ida, pundits see no real barriers to her confirmation as Colin Powell's replacement. Dr Rice, 50, was the first woman and the first African-American to be appointed national security adviser, and if confirmed will be the first black woman to be the US's chief diplomat.

Political observers will watch the hearings for any comments on Iran, which along with Iraq and North Korea, is part of Mr Bush's so-called "axis of evil".

Award-winning New Yorker reporter Seymour Hersh reported this week that the US has been conducting secret commando missions inside Iran since the middle of last year.

The missions, which Hersh said were approved by Mr Bush, aimed to identify weapons sites for possible US air strikes.

While Tehran insists its nuclear program is for peaceful purposes such as power generation, the US claims it is also for weapons production.

The Pentagon yesterday dismissed Hersh's report as "riddled with errors", but did not deny his central claim. Some observers said it would be surprising if the US were not trying to identify weapons sites in Iran as possible military targets.

"The Iranian regime's apparent nuclear ambitions and its demonstrated support for terrorist organisations is a global challenge that deserves much more serious treatment than Seymour Hersh provides," Pentagon spokesman Lawrence DiRita said. The article was "so riddled with errors of fundamental fact that the credibility of his entire piece is destroyed".

Hersh reported that Mr Bush had signed a series of top-secret executive orders authorising special forces units to conduct covert operations against suspected terrorist targets in up to 10 nations in the Middle East and south Asia.

Reuters, AFP
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Bush said publicly after 9/11 that he wasnt going to rule out a nuclear response. I dont remember too many mushroom clouds....
 
Dirk Howat said:
Its called intelligence.
Next step is strategy
Next step is implementation of strategy.
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We do the same thing in Turkey, Saudi Arabia, China, Israel, etc.

Are we going to attack them as well?
 
PERFECTWORLD said:
Did You Know Haliburton Is Drilling Gas Right Now There as well?

I didnt Think We could Do Business with Terrist Nations?

neat.
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Nice try but you were proved retarded in another thread on this topic.
 
75th said:
Bush said publicly after 9/11 that he wasnt going to rule out a nuclear response. I dont remember too many mushroom clouds....
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extremely weak argument, you think the international community would be happy if we dropped a couple nukes?
 
UA_Iron said:
extremely weak argument, you think the international community would be happy if we dropped a couple nukes?
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You think the international community would be happy if we attacked Iran?

2 years ago we didnt rule out action against North Korea. 30 years ago we didnt rule out action against Cuba.

Its standard policy for any president to say that.
 
it doesn't seem that they care about international opinions..............this reminds me of Agatha Christie,..........and then there were none.
 
I was in the invasion of Iran and all I got was this lousy T-Shirt
 
fuck , i remember the hostage crisis, back in the early 80's, you weren't kool if you didn't have a mickey mouse bumper sticker or t-shirt with fuck Iran on it.
 
75th said:
Nice try but you were proved retarded in another thread on this topic.
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Different location Chief.

that was The Cayman Islands.

This Iran.

You know The Ones We are Threatening with Air strikes Now

God Your A BlowHard.
 
And As Far AS Being Proven Retarded.....

Legality

and Morality

Are Different 75th.

Hows That For Some Ignorance Fighting.
 
75th said:
Bush said publicly after 9/11 that he wasnt going to rule out a nuclear response. I dont remember too many mushroom clouds....
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Exactly. A Commander in Chief should never rule anything out.
 
PERFECTWORLD said:
Different location Chief.

that was The Cayman Islands.

This Iran.

You know The Ones We are Threatening with Air strikes Now

God Your A BlowHard.
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Saying "we havent ruled anything out" is almost the furthest thing from a threat.

God your an idiot.
 
75th said:
Saying "we havent ruled anything out" is almost the furthest thing from a threat.

God your an idiot.
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Who said That?

Bush Did

about Air Strikes.
 
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After Iran ?

For what reason ? WMD ? Terror war bullshit ? Cause they stink they too much ? They supply the free world with steroids ?

And how ? You guys are burning your money in Iraq and think your pockets are deep enough to handle another one ?
 
PERFECTWORLD said:
Who said That?

Bush Did

about Air Strikes.
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Its official:

You cannot read.
 
PERFECTWORLD said:
What are you Talking About?
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Forget about it.....its not worth it.

My wife's chiahuahua comprehends english better than you.
 
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