Water consumption during a workout.............

[GrandMaster]

how much water DURING a workout session is ideal??

im not talking about a regular daily intake, just during a workout?

i drink ALOT during a workout more then i would throughout the whole day!

or is it based upon thurst?

 

[Ghede]

how much water DURING a workout session is ideal??

im not talking about a regular daily intake, just during a workout?

i drink ALOT during a workout more then i would throughout the whole day!

or is it based upon thurst?

good question: easy answer.

Weigh yourself before you start training and after you complete your workout. If you weigh MORE when you are done than when you started: you are hyper-hydrating and that is BAD. Very bad, actually, and in endurance athletes whose bodies are under severe strains as it is, acute hypnotremia is a real possiblity. So is death.

Ideally, you should actually weigh just a little bit less after an intense training session or endurance session/event than when you started. Your body is more efficient at accessing stored energy when at a slight and progressive hydration deficit.

 

[*Bunny*]

That is very intersting Ghede .. the logic makes complete sense but I never thought to weigh before & after just for a little test. Thanks for the suggestion

 

[Ghede]

That is very intersting Ghede .. the logic makes complete sense but I never thought to weigh before & after just for a little test. Thanks for the suggestion

'Accepting the gift bestows honor on the giver.'

 

[SgtSlaughter]

Ghede great post brutha mon

 

[Sassy69]

I find its a fine balance between completing my workout w/o drymouth & interrupting my momentum to run & hit the bathroom.

(practical approach...)

 

[Lifterforlife]

good question: easy answer.

Very bad, actually, and in endurance athletes whose bodies are under severe strains as it is, acute hypnotremia is a real possiblity. So is death.

Been preaching this to the "water addicts" for a long time, noone will listen as the hype is carry around gallons of water at all times. It is hard being a "lone wolf", but oh so rewarding when you are proven correct. Nice post.

 

[Pikaberdot]

I always weigh more after my workout than I did before (due to water consumption) - unless I'm doing cardio as well.

I've never noticed any negative consequences so far.

 

[pintoca]

I try not to be thirsty, for me it's about 2ltrs (this includes 45mins of 75-80%MHR cardio)

 

[Ghede]

I always weigh more after my workout than I did before (due to water consumption) - unless I'm doing cardio as well.

I've never noticed any negative consequences so far.

The bad stuff is for extreme endurance athletes. Restance athletes rarely find themselves in that 'zone'.


Your body works more efficiently on a slight water deficit. Really. If you are consuming so much water that you cant assimilate it in the time you are training, you are carrying it around in your gut.

Have you ever tried the other way? Do whats best for you, always, but you cant know if you could do more/achieve more if you dont experiment.

/2 cents/

 

[pintoca]

The bad stuff is for extreme endurance athletes. Restance athletes rarely find themselves in that 'zone'.


Your body works more efficiently on a slight water deficit. Really. If you are consuming so much water that you cant assimilate it in the time you are training, you are carrying it around in your gut.

Have you ever tried the other way? Do whats best for you, always, but you cant know if you could do more/achieve more if you dont experiment.

/2 cents/

I carry a lot of stuff in my gut anyway, a bit of water on top won't make much of a difference.



tee

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[John WB]

I bring a 32oz bottle with me to the gym(so I won't have to lose time to make several trips to the water fountain). I finish at least one bottle full of water. Mostly two bottle fulls (2L).

 

[Ghede]

I bring a 32oz bottle with me to the gym(so I won't have to lose time to make several trips to the water fountain). I finish at least one bottle full of water. Mostly two bottle fulls (2L).

Question... why? How many hous do you train?!


Lets say you are consuming 8l a day, thats a good number for the 100kg male.

If you are doing resistance training for more than a solid hour of activity, you are futzing around, but lets say you are at the gym for two hours (where folks get this kinda time, only Jah knows)

Thats a liter an hour of your day. That would put your consumption at about 18 liters a day. Not.

I dont know why folks overhydrate while training. That is to say, 'Whats the benefit?'

Said it before, will say it again, if you weigh MORE after your workout than before, you are doing your efficiency and ability to use the nutrients you possess on hand a serious disservice.


If you have a solid reason 'WHY', i am all ears. If the reason is " well... 'cause i feel like it.' then thats cool, too, i guess, but not all that solid when it comes to trying to work smarter rather than harder.

Not sweating you per se, (pardon the pun), just wondering across the board.

.

 

[GrandMaster]

hmm i usually consume alot of water during a workout...avg 1.5Ltrs?? i would say.....
regarding your first post Ghede..i think i will follow suit
makes sence to me..

 

[Lifterforlife]

Ghede makes excellent points, and he is right on.

I would love for one of these guys that carry around a gallon jug of water with them to inform me of just what drinking all this water really does for them. Besides making them pee all the time. And not the tired old regurgitated material that permeates the net that someone who sounded like he knew what he was talking about, and been picked up everyone.

A California State University student died of "water intoxication" during hazing in the basement of a fraternity, authorities said Thursday.

Matthew Carrington, 21, died early Wednesday while drinking water from a five-gallon jug and doing exercises at the Chi Tau house near the Chico campus, said Chico Police Sgt. Dave Barrow.

An autopsy showed death was triggered by hyponatremia, a condition in which excess water in the body causes sodium levels in the blood to drop. Water is then absorbed into the blood and fluid builds up in the brain.

This is real stuff......it happens more often than one hears about. Hyponatremia reflects an abnormal ratio of sodium to water and is defined as a serum sodium concentration of less than 135 mEq/L. It usually results from retention of water secondary to impairment in free water excretion. Occasionally, hyponatremia is due to sodium loss exceeding that of water (eg, thiazide-induced hyponatremia).

I remember when you could simply drink when you are thirsty. There is also some nonsense that says when you are thirsty you are already dehydrated! Shit, I have been getting thirsty for years.

 

[Lifterforlife]

A bit more to add.....

Needless to say, I’m aware of the fact that this starkly contrast to the mainstream on this — they recommend an absurd eight glasses of water a day. That’s half a gallon or more!

And as overboard as the mainstream is on the average person’s daily water needs, they’re especially misguided about what those who exercise require in the way of H20. To hear them tell it, if you’re jogging (joint-pulverizing lunacy) or lifting weights, no amount of water is too much to drink, it seems.

Never mind the fact that drinking too much water during periods of exertion can flush your body of sodium and lead to hyponatremia, or “water intoxication” — a condition where the sodium-starved brain swells against the skull until nausea, weakness, seizures and in extreme cases coma and death ensue. And potassium deficiency (hypokalemia) is even worse.

Don’t think it doesn’t happen. In 2002, a pair of female runners perished of the syndrome following marathon races because they drank too much liquid during their runs. And according to a recent Associated Press article, officials at last year’s Houston Marathon cut in half the number of water stops along the way. Why? Because the past few years have seen a DRAMATIC INCREASE in the number of hyponatremia cases trickling into medical tents at the finish line. According to the piece, runners were incensed at the decision — yet fewer of them ended up with the condition this year than in years past.

A few years ago, the number-one concern of marathoners and triathletes was dehydration. But thankfully, some exercise authorities are starting to sound the alarm about excessive water consumption. One leading international expert, a Professor of Sports Science at the University of Cape Town in South Africa and author of dozens of articles about the perils of overdrinking, sums it up like this in the AP piece: Your body instinctively knows when it needs water, so drink only when thirsty…

 

[GrandMaster]

see my issue is i dotn drink ENOUGH water regularly!
when im at the gym, i get thirsty and drink water.........also because i work for a purification company, and the water is 1million X better then bottle or tap water, lighter, more pure, less chemicals....
so this will be my new thing, trying out the new water with my workouts

 

[cityhick]

I drink water all day. try to get in at least 2 gallons. When I am at the gym I drink in between real heavy sets, or between exercises. Not a lot just rinse my mouth and a big swig. But I am no endurance athlete.

 

[JKurz1]

I drink crystal light by the GALLON!!!! Try it!

 

[GrandMaster]

2 gallons a day?! thats 7.5 ltrs!!

isnt that a bit much??

 

[SgtSlaughter]

I hit 2-2.5 sometimes.

Keeps me flushed... I eat all day, take supps throughout the day. Works for me.

 

[Lifterforlife]

I hit 2-2.5 sometimes.

Keeps me flushed... .

Flushed??? What does this mean?

 

[SgtSlaughter]

Flushed??? What does this mean?

Maybe that was the wrong word.

I tend to get dry mouth alot and hold water(swollen hands) easily if I do not get sufficient amounts of water throughout the day.

Mind you that's my average on a workout day with cardio too. Non workout days it's probably ~ 1-1.5 gallons average.

 

[Gymgurl]

32 oz for me very normal and if humid more during a workout...1 gallon a day for me

 

[*Bunny*]

I hit 2-2.5 sometimes.

Keeps me flushed... I eat all day, take supps throughout the day. Works for me.

I have gradually increased to 8-10 L daily ... I posted something in my log on why I feel this works for me & my situation ... and I don't feel like looking for it.

Sure can deplete sodium ( & other harmful issues) , but not for me, my blood levels and the 'works' are tested monthly so I am luckily able to track certain things to make sue I am not doing more harm than good ... again I am NOT average by no means.. Yup my doctors just love me

 

[JKurz1]

I hit 2-2.5 sometimes.

Keeps me flushed... I eat all day, take supps throughout the day. Works for me.

You eat all day HUH? Thought you were cutting????/

 

[SgtSlaughter]

You eat all day HUH? Thought you were cutting????/

yeah...it's called keeping one's metabolism on FIRE

I eat all day, yes... small amounts.

I'd rather do that than eat a larger meal every 2-3 hours... my preference.

P.S. Cutting ended last night

 

[*Bunny*]

You eat all day HUH? Thought you were cutting????/

I eat all day too and I'm cutting ...

I don't understand you and the blatantly obvious attitude you have on this forum at times... what gives? Seriously?

 

[JKurz1]

Bunny - it was sacastic...kidding!

 

[Lifterforlife]

Actually I know it is again conventional wisdom, but frequent meals has very little impact on metabolism.

 

[Lifterforlife]

Actually another bit of a bodybuilding myth, eating frequent meals has very little impact on metabolism. (does very little to nothing to promote fat burning, human metabolism doesn't slow on a meal to meal basis). It can be beneficial for nitrogen balance.....

 

[SgtSlaughter]

Actually I know it is again conventional wisdom, but frequent meals has very little impact on metabolism.

Curious to see your thoughts on that.

Why would it not? Takes calories to use/digest the food, no?

Metabolism... ok... maybe there is a "base" metabolic rate that is unchanged and we just burn more calories or take in less to decrease weight?

 

[JKurz1]

Actually I know it is again conventional wisdom, but frequent meals has very little impact on metabolism.

strongly strongly disagree...but we are entitiled to our own opinion....just an FYI, did you know sumo wrestlers eat 1 huge meal in the evening and that's it....just food for thought.

 

[Lifterforlife]

Don't know why this didn't post before....another misnomer in bodybuilding....that more frequent meals raises metabolism. (human metabolism doesn't slow on a meal to meal basis)

 

[Ghede]

Don't know why this didn't post before....another misnomer in bodybuilding....that more frequent meals raises metabolism. (human metabolism doesn't slow on a meal to meal basis)

Good Lawd man, of course it doesnt RAISE metabolism!!!


What it does do is keep blood sugar shuttling constant and avoids a downregulation of hypolthaomal heat regulation based on near constant AVAILABLE blood sugar levels. In order to RAISE metabolism, the food would have to be a combination of coffee beans and yohimbine bark covered in capacin dusted with Meth...

The basic premise behind eating small and constant caloric episodes throughout the day, supported with all three macronutrients, is that it is in the best interest of the furnace to keep it firing on all pistons. It in no way makes the engine miraculaously have greater displacement, but it does prevent spillover from caloric dump after a bout of the Fattie Carbogorg...


If you try and put 20 liters of petrol in a 10 liter tank, the excess will spill out onto your fenders... ya know?

 

[Lifterforlife]

Good Lawd man, of course it doesnt RAISE metabolism!!!

Well, you are simply confirming what I said. I was referring to Sgt. Slaughter's post above referring to keeping his metabolism on fire!

to quote from the post...it's called keeping one's metabolism on FIRE

There does seem to be alot of this permeating the boards all over that somehow more frequent eating raises metabolism.

Thanks for agreeing with me.

 

[Ghede]

Well, you are simply confirming what I said. I was referring to Sgt. Slaughter's post above referring to keeping his metabolism on fire!

to quote from the post...it's called keeping one's metabolism on FIRE

There does seem to be alot of this permeating the boards all over that somehow more frequent eating raises metabolism.

Thanks for agreeing with me.

Oh, so you are wearing your Missy Nittpickypoo underoos today?

Fine, so it doesnt, RAISE inherant BMR above natures intended. BUT>>>>> it DOES enable more constant and constitant use of caloric intake and DOES prevent spillover THEREBY making ones Metabolism more efficient in terms of allowing the first law of thermodynamics to do the voodoo, that it dooooo, sooooo wellllllllll..... (i sing like a friggin pro, so bite me)

That having been said: this thread should be about CLARIFICATIONS not about porcupine catapults.

 

[Lifterforlife]

Oh, so you are wearing your Missy Nittpickypoo underoos today?

I like that!!

 

[Lifterforlife]

By the way......just for grins...

Effect of the pattern of food intake on human energy metabolism.
Verboeket-van de Venne WP, Westerterp KR, Kester AD.

Department of Human Biology, University of Limburg, Maastricht, The Netherlands.

The pattern of food intake can affect the regulation of body weight and lipogenesis. We studied the effect of meal frequency on human energy expenditure (EE) and its components. During 1 week ten male adults (age 25-61 years, body mass index 20.7-30.4 kg/m2) were fed to energy balance at two meals/d (gorging pattern) and during another week at seven meals/d (nibbling pattern). For the first 6 d of each week the food was provided at home, followed by a 36 h stay in a respiration chamber. O2 consumption and CO2 production (and hence EE) were calculated over 24 h. EE in free-living conditions was measured over the 2 weeks with doubly-labelled water (average daily metabolic rate, ADMR). The three major components of ADMR are basal metabolic rate (BMR), diet-induced thermogenesis (DIT) and EE for physical activity (ACT). There was no significant effect of meal frequency on 24 h EE or ADMR. Furthermore, BMR and ACT did not differ between the two patterns. DIT was significantly elevated in the gorging pattern, but this effect was neutralized by correction for the relevant time interval. With the method used for determination of DIT no significant effect of meal frequency on the contribution of DIT to ADMR could be demonstrated.

Thermogenesis in humans after varying meal time frequency]

 

[macrophage69alpha]

smaller more frequent meals do affect metabolism

Am J Clin Nutr. 2005 Jan;81(1):16-24. Related Articles, Links


Comment in:
Am J Clin Nutr. 2005 Jan;81(1):3-4.

Beneficial metabolic effects of regular meal frequency on dietary thermogenesis, insulin sensitivity, and fasting lipid profiles in healthy obese women.

Farshchi HR, Taylor MA, Macdonald IA.

Centre for Integrated Systems Biology and Medicine, Institute of Clinical Research, School of Biomedical Sciences, Queen's Medical Centre, University of Nottingham, UK. [email protected]

BACKGROUND: Although a regular meal pattern is recommended for obese people, its effects on energy metabolism have not been examined. OBJECTIVE: We investigated whether a regular meal frequency affects energy intake (EI), energy expenditure, or circulating insulin, glucose, and lipid concentrations in healthy obese women. DESIGN: Ten women [x +/- SD body mass index (in kg/m(2)): 37.1 +/- 4.8] participated in a randomized crossover trial. In phase 1 (14 d), the subjects consumed their normal diet on 6 occasions/d (regular meal pattern) or followed a variable meal frequency (3-9 meals/d, irregular meal pattern). In phase 2 (14 d), the subjects followed the alternative pattern. At the start and end of each phase, a test meal was fed, and blood glucose, lipid, and insulin concentrations were determined before and for 3 h after (glucose and insulin only) the test meal. Subjects recorded their food intake on 3 d during each phase. The thermogenic response to the test meal was ascertained by indirect calorimetry. RESULTS: Regular eating was associated with lower EI (P < 0.01), greater postprandial thermogenesis (P < 0.01), and lower fasting total (4.16 compared with 4.30 mmol/L; P < 0.01) and LDL (2.46 compared with 2.60 mmol/L; P < 0.02) cholesterol. Fasting glucose and insulin values were not affected by meal pattern, but peak insulin concentrations and area under the curve of insulin responses to the test meal were lower after the regular than after the irregular meal pattern (P < 0.01 and 0.02, respectively). CONCLUSION: Regular eating has beneficial effects on fasting lipid and postprandial insulin profiles and thermogenesis.

 

[*Bunny*]

WI was referring to Sgt. Slaughter's post above referring to keeping his metabolism on fire!

to quote from the post...it's called keeping one's metabolism on FIRE

There does seem to be alot of this permeating the boards all over that somehow more frequent eating raises metabolism.

Thanks for agreeing with me.

^^ I understand what both of you are saying, yet still use that saying OFTEN as well ... "keep the fire burnin' ..." and will continue to use it b/c often people understand that analogy better ... esp. when I mean by adding smaller frequent meals to make ones metabolism more efficient ...

Sassy also uses a good analolgy about a *Ferrari* (half way down 1st post)

It is pleasant to here some indepth discussion on the matter. If I started spouting that to a newbie (re: you & G-Love aboue) I'd choke on the smoke s/he left from running so fast away from me I couldn't stand it ... as they hop back on the elliptical, back to the TV, and eating once a day on NOTHING ... commence binge later on in the week ...

 

[*Bunny*]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand here come the studies to back up both points ...

Neverending

Thank gawd I don't see lab rats in there anywhere... poor things ...

 

[Lifterforlife]

Nice post....touche'...seems there is a study to counter a study in just about anything. I am in complete agreement with a diet such as this for insulin control, especially diabetics is in fact useful.

Wolfram G, Kirchgessner M, Muller HL, Hollomey S.

To a group of 8 healthy persons a slightly hypocaloric diet with protein (13% of energy), carbohydrates (46% of energy) and fat (41% of energy) was given as one meal or as five meals in a change-over trial. Each person was 2 weeks on each regimen. Under the conditions of slight undernutrition and neutral temperature the balances of nitrogen, carbon and energy were assessed in 7-day collection periods, and according to 48-hour measurements of gaseous exchange (carbon-nitrogen balance method) by the procedures of indirect calorimetry. Changes of body weight were statistically not significant. At isocaloric supply of metabolizable energy with exactly the same foods in different meal frequencies no differences were found in the retention of carbon and energy. Urinary nitrogen excretion was slightly greater with a single daily meal, indicating influences on protein metabolism. The protein-derived energy was compensated by a decrease in the fat oxidation. The heat production calculated by indirect calorimetry was not significantly different with either meal frequency. Water, sodium and potassium balances were not different. The plasma concentrations of cholesterol and uric acid were not influenced by meal frequency, glucose and triglycerides showed typical behaviour depending on the time interval to the last meal. The results demonstrate that the meal frequency did not influence the energy balance.

Meal frequency influences circulating hormone levels but not lipogenesis rates in humans.

 

[Ghede]

Association between eating patterns and obesity in a free-living US adult population.

Ma Y, Bertone ER, Stanek EJ 3rd, Reed GW, Hebert JR, Cohen NL, Merriam PA, Ockene IS.

Division of Preventive and Behavioral Medicine, University of Massachusetts Medical School, Worcester, MA 01655, USA. [email protected]

Some studies have suggested that eating patterns, which describe eating frequency, the temporal distribution of eating events across the day, breakfast skipping, and the frequency of eating meals away from home, may be related to obesity. Data from the Seasonal Variation of Blood Cholesterol Study (1994-1998) were used to evaluate the relation between eating patterns and obesity. Three 24-hour dietary recalls and a body weight measurement were collected at five equally spaced time points over a 1-year period from 499 participants. Data were averaged for five time periods, and a cross-sectional analysis was conducted. Odds ratios were adjusted for other obesity risk factors including age, sex, physical activity, and total energy intake. Results indicate that a greater number of eating episodes each day was associated with a lower risk of obesity (odds ratio for four or more eating episodes vs. three or fewer = 0.55, 95% confidence interval: 0.33, 0.91). In contrast, skipping breakfast was associated with increased prevalence of obesity (odds ratio = 4.5, 95% confidence interval: 1.57, 12.90), as was greater frequency of eating breakfast or dinner away from home.

Ok, so its not BMR adjustment, but eating more frequently is, as martha would attest a good thing.....

 

[Lifterforlife]

^^ I understand what both of you are saying, yet still use that saying OFTEN as well ... "keep the fire burnin' ..." and will continue to use it b/c often people understand that analogy better ... esp. when I mean by adding smaller frequent meals to make ones metabolism more efficient ...

Sassy also uses a good analolgy about a *Ferrari* (half way down 1st post)

It is pleasant to here some indepth discussion on the matter. If I started spouting that to a newbie (re: you & G-Love aboue) I'd choke on the smoke s/he left from running so fast away from me I couldn't stand it ... as they hop back on the elliptical, back to the TV, and eating once a day on NOTHING ... commence binge later on in the week ...

You make an excellent point bunny....that is why you are a good choice for a mod. Sometimes we have a tendency to get carried away with the "technical" end, which the average athlete could give a hoot about or care to even understand. Thanks for keeping me for one with that realization.

I should know this, being a mod on 2 other boards(ws 3, but gave one up), I sometimes get carried away with the studies and in depth, and get many reactions as to "what did he say?" Peace...just want to help.

 

[*Bunny*]

You make an excellent point bunny....that is why you are a good choice for a mod. Sometimes we have a tendency to get carried away with the "technical" end, which the average athlete could give a hoot about or care to even understand. Thanks for keeping me for one with that realization.

I should know this, being a mod on 2 other boards(ws 3, but gave one up), I sometimes get carried away with the studies and in depth, and get many reactions as to "what did he say?" Peace...just want to help.

Lifter, I LOVE.. LOVE your indepth detailed explanations & highly encourage them .. often ... not only does it encourge education but very thought provoking information .. which is what we need here ...

The K.I.S.S. method only goes SO FAR, then comes time when you keep climbing that ladder, the thirst for knowledge, always growing, always changing, neverending ...

You are respected here ... esp. by me ... Your comments thoughts, ideas & studies are more than welcome and I enjoy them, esp. when your EXPERIENCE comes into play moreso than any study you can ever quote ... I did not intend to come off as bitchy ... that is NOT me, and those that know me (even you, know that ) and really, thank YOU for being a part of this board & offering as much as you do.

 

[Sassy69]

Interesting thread! Love the real live study stuff -- but its sort of like in the Bible - you can both prove & disprove just about anything from the text... We're still learning things about the body and how it all works, so its damn hard to say w/ definitive knowledge what is what. The ongoing argument is what keeps the inquiries going until maybe we do find absolute proof, or gain at least gain more knowledge or open up new ways of asking questions in the process.

 

[TheOak84]

good stuff.

 

[SgtSlaughter]

Lifter is Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaccckkkkkkkkkkk, lol.

I love it... I feel as though i'm in a lecture hall discussion, it's GREAT!

Good stuff all around!

I think that was one of the greatest thread jackings ever... water consumption.... to metabolic rate

BUNNY! ... I have a saying about me relating to a ferrari, but i'll save that for another PM

 

[Lifterforlife]

Lifter, I LOVE.. LOVE your indepth detailed explanations & highly encourage them .. often ... not only does it encourge education but very thought provoking information .. which is what we need here ...

The K.I.S.S. method only goes SO FAR, then comes time when you keep climbing that ladder, the thirst for knowledge, always growing, always changing, neverending ...

You are respected here ... esp. by me ... Your comments thoughts, ideas & studies are more than welcome and I enjoy them, esp. when your EXPERIENCE comes into play moreso than any study you can ever quote ... I did not intend to come off as bitchy ... that is NOT me, and those that know me (even you, know that ) and really, thank YOU for being a part of this board & offering as much as you do.

Thanks Bunny....did not at all mean you were coming off as bitchy. Meant my post in sincerity.

I guess I can explain my stance on things like this...I have been in this game for well over 30 yrs. Have seen tons of "the latest and greatest" come and go. My goal is to try to educate the best I can.

The more I "learn", the more I realize what worked in the beginning still works. The more I revert back to what I learnd in my old black iron gym long before the days of the super gyms and tons of machines and cardio equipment.

Bodybuilders are notorious at micromanaging every little thing, we think if we are not miserable, it can't be working. Somehow our sport has turned into some kind of psuedo science. I think old man Vince Giranda when asked the best thing to build muscle replied simply...pick up heavy things, put them down, repeat.

Simply work out, eat, rest, repeat. Making yourself miserable with micromanaging is truly unecessary. Does it work? Sure it does. But despite all these supplement companies sponsoring supplements touting "break through your genetic potential", in reality we are all limited by this "X" factor. Metabolism(yes, there is a gene that determines metabolism, your genes are what in the end are what controls your metabolism in your cells), muscle gain, all of it has that wild card that we have to deal with. Everything you do "turns on" a gene. For example weight training turns on genes that signal protein syntheseis. Endurance training turns on genes that signal the body to make more mitochondria, increase aerobic energy enzymes. But even this has only a certain effect on these genes.


I am rambling here, but just want to say to be smart about things, there is no need to watch the clock for 1 minute past a scheduled meal and you will lose mass, or having a protein shake within 3.7 minutes of your workout or all gains will be nullified. The nonsense that goes around these boards and lack of common sense is what drives me.

 

[SgtSlaughter]

^^^

Great Bro.

 

[Ghede]

Thanks Bunny....did not at all mean you were coming off as bitchy. Meant my post in sincerity.

I guess I can explain my stance on things like this...I have been in this game for well over 30 yrs. Have seen tons of "the latest and greatest" come and go. My goal is to try to educate the best I can.

The more I "learn", the more I realize what worked in the beginning still works. The more I revert back to what I learnd in my old black iron gym long before the days of the super gyms and tons of machines and cardio equipment.

Bodybuilders are notorious at micromanaging every little thing, we think if we are not miserable, it can't be working. Somehow our sport has turned into some kind of psuedo science. I think old man Vince Giranda when asked the best thing to build muscle replied simply...pick up heavy things, put them down, repeat.

Simply work out, eat, rest, repeat. Making yourself miserable with micromanaging is truly unecessary. Does it work? Sure it does. But despite all these supplement companies sponsoring supplements touting "break through your genetic potential", in reality we are all limited by this "X" factor. Metabolism(yes, there is a gene that determines metabolism, your genes are what in the end are what controls your metabolism in your cells), muscle gain, all of it has that wild card that we have to deal with. Everything you do "turns on" a gene. For example weight training turns on genes that signal protein syntheseis. Endurance training turns on genes that signal the body to make more mitochondria, increase aerobic energy enzymes. But even this has only a certain effect on these genes.


I am rambling here, but just want to say to be smart about things, there is no need to watch the clock for 1 minute past a scheduled meal and you will lose mass, or having a protein shake within 3.7 minutes of your workout or all gains will be nullified. The nonsense that goes around these boards and lack of common sense is what drives me.

Lifter: you and i have waxed poetic on a dozen if not a dozen dozen occastions about the overt need for simplicity to be mystified: macro breakdowns, protein grams/bodypound, nutrient timing, hyper hydration, over complication of training form/function, and the list goes on.

I do and will maintain that your attitude about keeping things unclouded and intuitive is the main path to physique success and that when the smoke and marketing gobbledy gook clears this entire sport and most sporting effort on a whole is based upon, and i paraphrase us both and others to simplify the matter:

plan the effort, feed the effort, make the effort and recover from the effort. repeat.

One of my favorite lines, and i use it daily, 'Gee, XXXX, how much do you lift/how far can you go/how fast can you move?'

'Well, Zorba, a little more than yesterday, a little less than tomorow.'

 

[maccer]

lifter your posts are excellent, sort of come off like Nelson Montana but chilled out!! you make people think but are not too controversial unlike NM

 

[John WB]

Question... why? How many hous do you train?!


Lets say you are consuming 8l a day, thats a good number for the 100kg male.

If you are doing resistance training for more than a solid hour of activity, you are futzing around, but lets say you are at the gym for two hours (where folks get this kinda time, only Jah knows)

Thats a liter an hour of your day. That would put your consumption at about 18 liters a day. Not.

I dont know why folks overhydrate while training. That is to say, 'Whats the benefit?'

Said it before, will say it again, if you weigh MORE after your workout than before, you are doing your efficiency and ability to use the nutrients you possess on hand a serious disservice.


If you have a solid reason 'WHY', i am all ears. If the reason is " well... 'cause i feel like it.' then thats cool, too, i guess, but not all that solid when it comes to trying to work smarter rather than harder.

Not sweating you per se, (pardon the pun), just wondering across the board.

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No reasons. I just get thirsty when I'm sweating and working out lot like that.

I drink 1L through the workout and any remainder while I do cardio and drink a refill on the way home and with my post workout meal.