Wasting Your Big Chance

[DieselGunz]

Serious Question oppinion's needed


OK here is the deal i am 27 yoa 6 feet 215 and I have done one cycle of var for 8 weeks this past summer at 40mgs. I felt great while on had no sides and my strength and hardness was through the roof. I gained some quality mass but nothing to write home about, i was on a calorie defficent diet and wanted to just get hard as a rock and i did.

I am now planning my second cycle I was thinking something small because of my personal life and things going on

I am thinking 4-6 weeks of Tbol at about 50mgs ed PCT then cruise till the summer and go back on var.

In the future I am going to do a 10-12 week test/eq cycle in the next 8-10 months after this summer.

My qustions are this........

When you plan a cycle do you make sure you have nothing going on that would interfere with your dedication?

If i were to do a small tbol cycle will it diminish the gains I will see from my test/eq cycle?

Will two orals in a 8 month span tax my liver if I use tylers?


thanx

 

[swordfish151]

You cant predict the future my friend...so even if the horizon looks clear to you at the moment...shit always happens..so thats an impossible thing to do ... you just have to plan your cycle when YOUR ready to...not when you think its not going to rain...the dedicated play in the rain or on a sunny day my friend..as far as the 2 orals go...i wouldnt worry to much about your liver..many run 2 orals in about that time frame and see no negative sides as far as your liver goes....and i deff dont think that running TBOL is a bad thing...at all...i would go for it.

 

[trinidad]

Serious Question oppinion's needed


OK here is the deal i am 27 yoa 6 feet 215 and I have done one cycle of var for 8 weeks this past summer at 40mgs. I felt great while on had no sides and my strength and hardness was through the roof. I gained some quality mass but nothing to write home about, i was on a calorie defficent diet and wanted to just get hard as a rock and i did.

I am now planning my second cycle I was thinking something small because of my personal life and things going on

I am thinking 4-6 weeks of Tbol at about 50mgs ed PCT then cruise till the summer and go back on var.

In future I am going to do a 10-12 week test/eq cycle in the next 8-10 months.

My qustions are this........

When you plan a cycle do you make sure you have nothing going on that would interfere with your dedication?

If i were to do a small tbol cycle will it diminish the gains I will see from my test/eq cycle?

Will two orals in a 8 month span tax my liver if I use tylers?


thanx

Well thought out question, bro. My answers to your questions would be this: Yes, I used to try to plan a cycle where nothing would interfere with it but life doesn't always guarantee that. The reason I say used to is I'm 40 and getting ready to stay on at least test year round.

Tbol by itself for a short burst should have no negative effect on a futher test/eq cycle.

As far as the liver goes, of course blood tests would tell, but being that var is considered a mild toxicity and you've been off since the summer, as well as the fact that you're talking about a mild/moderate dose of var and tbol, along with a liver protector and plenty of water, I would highly doubt any liver problems.

 

[DieselGunz]

You cant predict the future my friend...so even if the horizon looks clear to you at the moment...shit always happens..so thats an impossible thing to do ... you just have to plan your cycle when YOUR ready to...not when you think its not going to rain...the dedicated play in the rain or on a sunny day my friend..as far as the 2 orals go...i wouldnt worry to much about your liver..many run 2 orals in about that time frame and see no negative sides as far as your liver goes....and i deff dont think that running TBOL is a bad thing...at all...i would go for it.

thanks for you help, I see you around here alot and I respect your advice


I dont think the orals would be that bad considering I would only be on for about 3 months tops

 

[Bruce]

diesel my man, you have no problems taking two orals in that period. a 4 week break in between var and tbol is all that is necessary. tbol is not gonna diminish future gains. i'm killin it right now on deca test and my last was a tbol only for 28 days. i think you are gonna see such strength gains and lean mass that you will be amazed, especially based on your var results and your diet and genetics

 

[DieselGunz]

Well thought out question, bro. My answers to your questions would be this: Yes, I used to try to plan a cycle where nothing would interfere with it but life doesn't always guarantee that. The reason I say used to is I'm 40 and getting ready to stay on at least test year round.

Tbol by itself for a short burst should have no negative effect on a futher test/eq cycle.

As far as the liver goes, of course blood tests would tell, but being that var is considered a mild toxicity and you've been off since the summer, as well as the fact that you're talking about a mild/moderate dose of var and tbol, along with a liver protector and plenty of water, I would highly doubt any liver problems.

thank you for your time appreciate it, I guess my health and dealing with negative sides out weigh my desire to be 230 pounds at this point.


Blood work will not be a problem

 

[DieselGunz]

diesel my man, you have no problems taking two orals in that period. a 4 week break in between var and tbol is all that is necessary. tbol is not gonna diminish future gains. i'm killin it right now on deca test and my last was a tbol only for 28 days. i think you are gonna see such strength gains and lean mass that you will be amazed, especially based on your var results and your diet and genetics

thanx Bruce I knew you would chime in, yes I have to say where you go i am following. For the other members find a member that is similar to age and experience and learn from them. They have already been through the changes that will occur and can answer any questions you might have


Knowledge is the key........

Bruce thanx a million for your help your a damn good bro, karma is great but it is nothing compared to the knoweldge you have shared with me

 

[Beachbum1546]

Hell yeah, I make sure my future wont get in the way. Example, I recieved my gear today and I won't begin it till january! Christmas is coming up so I don't want to ruin my cycle with the up coming bad diet and lack of the gym being open during the holidays. Plus I don't want to ruin my chance in gorging myself in all that good food while running my cycle right now because I would miss out having a strict diet while being on.

 

[Extra_Strong]

Serious Question oppinion's needed


OK here is the deal i am 27 yoa 6 feet 215 and I have done one cycle of var for 8 weeks this past summer at 40mgs. I felt great while on had no sides and my strength and hardness was through the roof. I gained some quality mass but nothing to write home about, i was on a calorie defficent diet and wanted to just get hard as a rock and i did.

I am now planning my second cycle I was thinking something small because of my personal life and things going on

I am thinking 4-6 weeks of Tbol at about 50mgs ed PCT then cruise till the summer and go back on var.

In the future I am going to do a 10-12 week test/eq cycle in the next 8-10 months after this summer.

My qustions are this........

When you plan a cycle do you make sure you have nothing going on that would interfere with your dedication?

If i were to do a small tbol cycle will it diminish the gains I will see from my test/eq cycle?

Will two orals in a 8 month span tax my liver if I use tylers?


thanx

I have to say i like the fact that you are taking it slow, doing mild AAS testing out the waters a bit.

and doing your research I read and read for a long time before jumping in.

It is really good to be worried and ask questions. I have been reading for a long time and i still ask the same old questions over and over just to see what kind of answers i get even though most of them time I already know the answer but there is always things you can miss and not all of the people know what they are talking about.

The cycles you are wanting to do are very mild. The average Liver is pretty damn strong though. there are many many people that drink everyday and smoke take tylonal and motrin no exersice eat like shit... always have dark yellow urin. they are on blood pressure meds ant acids... and thier damn liver just keep on going .. it is crazy..

I think most of the problems are with never giving the thing a break. If you give it a break and a chance to take the load off. every once in a while you are on the right track... and the supps are big plus..

keep us posted on your results..

and i am sure when your stuff kicks in your will not have a problem being dedicated..

 

[LVTitan]

i have to agree with everyone else. even though no one really advocates "all oral" cycles, you have done some reasearch and it shows. your liver is in no extra danger from your previous cycle to this small one, and i dont think it will in any way take away the gains you will see in your upcoming "real cycle" ... good luck to you bro..
and remember , what doesnt kill you only succeeds in making you stronger

 

[trinidad]

Hell yeah, I make sure my future wont get in the way. Example, I recieved my gear today and I won't begin it till january! Christmas is coming up so I don't want to ruin my cycle with the up coming bad diet and lack of the gym being open during the holidays. Plus I don't want to ruin my chance in gorging myself in all that good food while running my cycle right now because I would miss out having a strict diet while being on.

Dude, that's some serious will power! If I had gear around the house...

 

[DieselGunz]

Hell yeah, I make sure my future wont get in the way. Example, I recieved my gear today and I won't begin it till january! Christmas is coming up so I don't want to ruin my cycle with the up coming bad diet and lack of the gym being open during the holidays. Plus I don't want to ruin my chance in gorging myself in all that good food while running my cycle right now because I would miss out having a strict diet while being on.

One of the reasons I am waiting also

 

[DieselGunz]

I have to say i like the fact that you are taking it slow, doing mild AAS testing out the waters a bit.

and doing your research I read and read for a long time before jumping in.

It is really good to be worried and ask questions. I have been reading for a long time and i still ask the same old questions over and over just to see what kind of answers i get even though most of them time I already know the answer but there is always things you can miss and not all of the people know what they are talking about.

The cycles you are wanting to do are very mild. The average Liver is pretty damn strong though. there are many many people that drink everyday and smoke take tylonal and motrin no exersice eat like shit... always have dark yellow urin. they are on blood pressure meds ant acids... and thier damn liver just keep on going .. it is crazy..

I think most of the problems are with never giving the thing a break. If you give it a break and a chance to take the load off. every once in a while you are on the right track... and the supps are big plus..

keep us posted on your results..

and i am sure when your stuff kicks in your will not have a problem being dedicated..

Thanx I agree about the differances in opinions you can ask the same question and depending who is on get a ton of differance answers

That among other things is why this board is the best on the internet

I have no problem with dedication but sometimes there are things that I can not control

 

[DieselGunz]

i have to agree with everyone else. even though no one really advocates "all oral" cycles, you have done some reasearch and it shows. your liver is in no extra danger from your previous cycle to this small one, and i dont think it will in any way take away the gains you will see in your upcoming "real cycle" ... good luck to you bro..
and remember , what doesnt kill you only succeeds in making you stronger

yeah I made precautions on the var cycle also but i have given my body time to recover from it too. Thanx again

 

[shamrock11]

Desial I like the fact that you are trying to look ahead and plan things that may get in your way for the cycle. You will be fine doing the orals in that period. I would say add a low dose test to that cycle and you should be fine that is just me though. I think you should grow great off the T-bol cycle. As far as it affecting your gains no way man you will be fine. Let me know how you like the EQ test cycle. I am running a stright test e cycle myself now and I am loving it.

 

[DieselGunz]

Desial I like the fact that you are trying to look ahead and plan things that may get in your way for the cycle. You will be fine doing the orals in that period. I would say add a low dose test to that cycle and you should be fine that is just me though. I think you should grow great off the T-bol cycle. As far as it affecting your gains no way man you will be fine. Let me know how you like the EQ test cycle. I am running a stright test e cycle myself now and I am loving it.

Fail to plan plan to fail

I feel ALOT better now, TBol here I come!

Test/EQ is going to one hell of a ride!

 

[silverbackn]

T-bol won't cut into the gains from a test and EQ cycle. It's a much milder compound.

 

[ryan04]

Why are you so hell-bent on doing a oral only cycle? Why not run an injectable?

 

[trinidad]

Fail to plan plan to fail

I feel ALOT better now, TBol here I come!

Test/EQ is going to one hell of a ride!

test/eq is a great cycle for me....with your physique, you are going to love it!!

 

[DieselGunz]

T-bol won't cut into the gains from a test and EQ cycle. It's a much milder compound.

thanx

 

[DieselGunz]

Why are you so hell-bent on doing a oral only cycle? Why not run an injectable?

Basically because of time I know that if i use Tbol I will have a solid 4 weeks of growth in my 4-6 week cycle. If I were to use a test inject (becides prop) it would take that much time to hit and i woudl have to extend the cycle into March which I do not want to do.


I am going to save the injects for when i know I am not having any BIG personal issues.

 

[LVTitan]

wait till you try my cocktail.... deca/eq

 

[Beachbum1546]

Dude, that's some serious will power! If I had gear around the house...

Lol, hopefully strong enough. I have all my gear laid out right in front of me on my computer desk. I just want to pop a winny tab right now just to try it,lol. I might pop 25mgs before my workout just to see if it has any effects. But that is all I will do, just for fun.

 

[DieselGunz]

wait till you try my cocktail.... deca/eq

Yeah that would be interesting........

 

[Ulter]

Your liver will be fine. You shouldn't cycle when you KNOW you're not going to be training. But you can't get hung up on worrying about life getting in the way. Just go for it.

 

[DieselGunz]

Your liver will be fine. You shouldn't cycle when you KNOW you're not going to be training. But you can't get hung up on worrying about life getting in the way. Just go for it.

thanx Ulter I appreciate your time

I am going to be training and eating HARD but sometimes when you have things outside your control you have to adapt.

I do not compromise on training I train 4-6 days a week for last 4 years and still going strong. my problem is finding time to cook and eat clean.

 

[Bruce]

diesel does what i wish i could do. i just don't have the genetics or the patience. he has attained a spectacular physique. there are a lot of guys on here that think you have to be 200 before you start aas, but they look like shit imo, diesel got there without aas and looks great. i think another mild oral is the right thing for him to do. then he can see if he really needs an inject with harder pct. i honestly wouldn't wanna do anything but mild var and tbol cycles if i could get those gains

 

[DieselGunz]

diesel does what i wish i could do. i just don't have the genetics or the patience. he has attained a spectacular physique. there are a lot of guys on here that think you have to be 200 before you start aas, but they look like shit imo, diesel got there without aas and looks great. i think another mild oral is the right thing for him to do. then he can see if he really needs an inject with harder pct. i honestly wouldn't wanna do anything but mild var and tbol cycles if i could get those gains

Thanx bro and not to make this into a thread but bro you deff have genetics dont sell yourself short


I am just interested on seeing how I react to a substance that is going to affect my natural hormones although var might have shut me down I did not feel any ill effects.

You Mendo,Fergie and the other good peeps on here have so much good to say about tbol I think it is a good progression to take.

 

[silverbackn]

diesel does what i wish i could do. i just don't have the genetics or the patience. he has attained a spectacular physique. there are a lot of guys on here that think you have to be 200 before you start aas, but they look like shit imo, diesel got there without aas and looks great. i think another mild oral is the right thing for him to do. then he can see if he really needs an inject with harder pct. i honestly wouldn't wanna do anything but mild var and tbol cycles if i could get those gains

You make a good point Bruce! Don't use a cannon to kill a mosquito.

 

[temetrepo]

yes, I planned my cycle to make sure there no mayor issues. I travel a lot but was able to stop the travel while on cycle. I had only a 1 day trip. Now, this is not always the case. I just cant turn around and say "not traveling for the next 12 weeks". Instead I will schedule my trips to depart on Fridays that way I can take shots before leaving.