war predictions

[Hengst]

Okay -

You all heard it here first.

1. The war in Iraq is going to go very badly. Saddam is going to lure the americans in and then gas them all. Tens of thousands will die.
2. Al queda will hit the US mainland, again, with another terrifing assault.
3. George Bush and his cronies, unable to put the lid back on to the mess they started by being the aggressor in Iraq, will declare Martial Law in the United States. He will suspend the constitution and all of our civil liberties.
4. The next presidential election may or may not happen. The powers behind Bush will use what ever means they have to further subvert the political process and guarrentee them selves continued power.

Things are going to get grimmer and worse. George Bush is not honest. He has abbrogated treaties and is currently working on breaking up NATO. His only motivation is to sustain power and enrich himself and those around him.

BUSH IS NOT WORKING IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE US CITIZEN

 

[Mad4Iron]

"1. The war in Iraq is going to go very badly. Saddam is going to lure the americans in and then gas them all. Tens of thousands will die."

Could be,I would doubt it.Saddam knows good and well if he fucks us he will get toasted.We will use low yield tactical nukes to "Get their attention"
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2." Al queda will hit the US mainland, again, with another terrifing assault."

More than likely,I can't disagree with this.Hopefully NSA,FBI and the CIA can co-operate and abort some of this shit.

3. "George Bush and his cronies, unable to put the lid back on to the mess they started by being the aggressor in Iraq, will declare Martial Law in the United States. He will suspend the constitution and all of our civil liberties."

Started? very subjective as well as the "Aggressor".I voted for Bush and am glad I did.I,like you have serious reservations about the long term conquences of the "Patriot act".
Suspend the constitution? Read the Federalist papers,real boring and a long read but follows the debate of the founding fathers about the constitution.It has alot to say about the 2nd amendment and why it is so important.
In a roundabout way I'm sayng there are 200 million gunowners in this country,many of us will not allow that to happen.Many ex-military and highly trained and patriots that know what the meaning of the constitution."

4. "The next presidential election may or may not happen. The powers behind Bush will use what ever means they have to further subvert the political process and guarantee them selves continued power."

This will never happen.NEVER.This is not Argentina or Paraguay.No government in power in this country could subvert the press to get people to roll over like that.
Yes,civil liberties are not going to be like what they were,that's a given.Maybe in 20 yrs things will go so far down the shitter that we have an Emperor or some other non-sence,but Bush suspending the election? I don't think so.

"Things are going to get grimmer and worse. George Bush is not honest. He has abbrogated treaties and is currently working on breaking up NATO. His only motivation is to sustain power and enrich himself and those around him."

What politician was ever honest? Nato has had no reason for being since the fall of the USSR.Motivation? That's a cheap shot.

"BUSH IS NOT WORKING IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE US CITIZEN"

Let me ask you something,How would you think Gore would've handled this since 9-11?

Mad

 

[CanadianCripple]

Okay -

You all heard it here first.

1. The war in Iraq is going to go very badly. Saddam is going to lure the americans in and then gas them all. Tens of thousands will die.

Saddam has biological weapons? My my, isn't that interesting... according to all of the peace protestors, the inspections have routed all of that stuff out & Iraq is no threat. Geez, going by your scenario, I'd suggest Bush blast the fuck out of them now.

 

[Sinistar]

America will become a defacto tax free state for the rich, whereupon a shitload of american money will flood back into the banks.

i dont believe, at this point, bush will rescind Posse Comitatus, allowing Military law enforcment. Iraq is step one, iran 2, Saudi Arabia 3, then well let Israel wipe out Libya to take care of Hezbollah.

NATO will increase its expansion into europe, making sure the Euro Union is little more than a league of Nations. thats why britian isnt in the EU.

right now, we have set the geopolitical stoppers to prevent the former USSR from gaining back all its states, and have placed another stopper in Chinas way so it cant expand to far too quick as well.

while france and germany are the second and third largest economies in the world, together they dont equal the US, and they recieve money from us as well.

basically, unless the US is stopped before we start in on iraq, for a time we will be the first true world rulers.

alas, we will be the last one. the oil will run out, optimistially in 40 years, if we can stop the chinese from getting it. all the alternative fuels we have cant equal half of what oil gives us. when oil starts to get thin, whole third world countries will be left to starve, and eventually in the US states that arent considered important like west virginia kentucky ect will be cut off as well.

several hundred ,million will die yearly from exposure and starvation.

just like the dinos going extinct after the asteriod, the end of oil will be our undoing. in the entierty of the earths exsistance, no animal has came back to dominance after what we face. and in some cases, it wiped out the specie totally. we will literally go from internet to the 1920s in a decade. folks, the real good times, with no end oin sight, are gone forever.

the only alternative to this is massive genocide. reducing the earth population by 3 to 4 billion. this will happen either way. without the machines that oil allows, we cant grow enough food for everyone.

' i see us as apart of a greater thing than any of us will ever know, floating along on this blue/green ball that will keep going and going. you see the earth doesnt judge or condem, reward or punish. it just is. like we are, for awhile.'
George Carlin.

 

[beastboy]

This thread is turning into a cut and paste post battle already.

 

[Sinistar]

first off, the new computer voting systems they are putting all over the country cannot be counted. there is no way of doing an independant study on if bush got as many votes as the govt says he has. this isnt fiction, its reality. so yes it can very easily happen here.

NBC is owned by GE, a govt weapons contractor. Unbiased?
Fox in america and Skybox in UK are owned by Rupper Murdoch. he is a member of the bilderberg group. the bilderbergs are a group of the world most powerful men, the include industry owners, media men, ect ect. Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter are zlso members of the bilderbergs. havent heard of this group or that 2 ex presidents are in its membership? love that free press!!
CNN is owned by time warner. nuff said.
George Bush I and II are both members of the trilateral commission.

dan rather, diane sawyer, peter jennings, george staphanopolis, and every other major news person is a member of the council on foreign relations. peter jennings is also a bilderberg. this is not a conspiracy theory. before those words are out of your mouth do a search on google.

and anyhow, wouldnt you want to discredit ppl by saying they are a quack if they were on to you? i love how fred barnes gets on Special Report with Brit Hume and rants about how crazy these guys like www.fromthewilderness.com are. they tell you how crazy they are, but ill be damned if ive heard so far what makes them nuts. i guess it must be that america is beyond being evil or making mistakes, and anyone saying different must have a mood disorder. this is/was a common sentiment....in Nazi Germany.

 

[Baby Gorilla]

My estimations....

1. The war in Iraq is going to go very badly. Saddam is going to lure the americans in and then gas them all. Tens of thousands will die.

2. Al queda will hit the US mainland, again, with another terrifing assault.

3. George Bush and his cronies, unable to put the lid back on to the mess they started by being the aggressor in Iraq, will declare Martial Law in the United States. He will suspend the constitution and all of our civil liberties.

4. The next presidential election may or may not happen. The powers behind Bush will use what ever means they have to further subvert the political process and guarrentee them selves continued power.

You are part right, and you are part nieve.

1. This Iraq war will likely be the first shot of WWIII. You proposal of what Saddam will do is very likely. He's done it to his own people, and it's the "logical" tactic for a person in his position...the Scorched Earth policy. Note: For a Frenchman, your proposal is contrary to most Frenchmen's opinion that we shouldn't act. If you say Saddam would use bio/chem weapons on US soldiers, you are asserting he has them (in violation of UN resolutions) which actually authorizes us to go in and use force to remove them.

2. No doubt the USA will get a wave of domestic terrorism. That's well-known by those who do know what's going on. How bad it will be is the variable still unknown. We know what they likely have...just not how much or where they'll use it.

3. Any domestic terrorism will be used to justify martial law. Oh, and Gore would be no different. The Democrats have done just as much to strip Americans of their Constitutional rights as Republicans have. The real political power is in the wealthy, and they've been calling the shots for decades.

4. The next election would likely happen with no problems. A bad war will actually tend to generate support for the president. Here's why....the rest of the world are wussies. Not to be mean, but the UN overwhealmingly said Saddam must be stopped. It's clear there is no accounting for what happened to his WMD program. He doesn't say he got rid of it, nor can he document such a claim. Iraq's a big place....he's had lots of time to hide stuff, and he's done little to nothing to cooperate with UN inspectors....further violating UN resolutions.

However, the UN likely will not endorse any more resolutions against Iraq. As France has said, "no" and they have veto power, we know this is a foregone conclusion. The USA will act with maybe a couple allies, and the American citizens will despise the world when bad stuff happens and the world does nothing to assist. Remember, the USA has given aid to many nations in times of need. When the USA has a national emergency (flood, earthquake, etc.) the rest of the world won't even send a bottle of water. It will become and US vs. THEM mentality....in part because of the world's mentality about facing the threat of terrorism with solidarity.

Going more on your first point....there are many nations itching for war. The USA is keeping China from taking Taiwan by force. The USA was keeping N. Korea stable. The USA was getting Pakistan and India to not nuke each other to kingdom come. If we get bogged down in Iraq, these nations will likely try to take advantage of our being "distracted" and carry out their own agendas....throwing the world into war. The USA will not be starting the global agression. China, N. Korea, will be acting as lawless agressors. India and Pakistan will be mutually exterminating each other. They will only be taking advantage of the USA being too involved elsewhere to interferre.

In all this, where is the UN? The "organization of global peace" has utterly failed. Does the UN keep China at bay? No. Heck, they took the soverign veto power from Taiwan and gave it to communist China in appeasement. Does the UN try to hold back N. Korea? No. What has the UN done to prevent India and Pakistan from nuking each other? Little to nothing.

The USA (with all its flaws) has done more to preserve peace in the world than the UN ever has, yet we are villified when we have 100% justification to begin an active effort to permanently erradicate terrorism and the regimes that support them from this world.

Isn't that hypocritical of the UN?

 

[Mad4Iron]

Excellent post Baby Gorilla.

I have doubts about a WWIII though.I hope it's not just wishful thinking on my part.

Mad

 

[Mad4Iron]

Sinistar;No I'm not a big lover of the press esp the big networks.

I really can't see every paper,network,ect in the country going along with a "Don't print this,don't say that" directive.

Most journalists are as nuts about their freedom of speech as I about my right to keep and bear arms.

Mad

 

[Baby Gorilla]

Some hope....

Excellent post Baby Gorilla.

I have doubts about a WWIII though.I hope it's not just wishful thinking on my part.

The prospective way nuclear war will happen is basically this....

If we get bogged down in Iraq, China and/or N. Korea decide to take military action. Both have threatened to lob nukes at the USA. Such action would obviously result in a nuclear response from the USA. Then, Pakistan and India would likely take each other out as there's no justification for them to not use their nukes.

So, it really depends on what other countries decide to do once we go into Iraq.

 

[Mad4Iron]

I would hope they take ending the world pretty seriously.

I would hope Iraq goes the same way as Afganistan has then the other assholes will see we're not fucking around.

Mad

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Okay -

You all heard it here first.

1. The war in Iraq is going to go very badly. Saddam is going to lure the americans in and then gas them all. Tens of thousands will die.
2. Al queda will hit the US mainland, again, with another terrifing assault.
3. George Bush and his cronies, unable to put the lid back on to the mess they started by being the aggressor in Iraq, will declare Martial Law in the United States. He will suspend the constitution and all of our civil liberties.
4. The next presidential election may or may not happen. The powers behind Bush will use what ever means they have to further subvert the political process and guarrentee them selves continued power.

1. Is impossible. These gas weapons of that scope just simply don't exist. There is no gas that works that way. This could happen if Saddam had a nuke.

2. Unfortuantely, this may happen.

3. and 4. Are logical outgrowths of your hypothesis, which unfortunately is false. As such, so is this conclusion.

3. and 4. can happen here, and they will;. But not this time.

 

[Hengst]

thanks all for your thoughtful comments, opinions and replies. These were just some thoughts I had and I wanted to throw them out there.