want paper thin sub-q layer/no fat!

[iHulk]

how many of you are sick and tired of doing double session cardio days, eating clean every fucking day, gon on 15 week cutting cycles and still are able to grab "half of handful" of sub-q/fat layer around your core [stomach, love handless, back, etc]?

How does one get that super paper-thin skin / unreal dry look?
Is it diuretics, what!?

 

[dr_skier]

let me know when you find the answer

 

[Sassy69]

Do you mean like maintained or for competition day?

I'm not sure how realistic it is to maintain that unless you go thru a slow process of diet &training, maybe shitloads of cardio to slowly adjust your body down to that.

For competition, its a combination of carb manipulation, water manipulation, maybe some diuretics, cardio, maybe some other stuff. Extended use of diuretics is not really healthy and the non-potassium sparing stuff can fuck you up but good if your electrolytes get thrown off. Also the water depletion is a bitch and obviously not a healthy thing to do for extended periods of time.

Depending on your genetics and maybe using the slow manipulation downward so your body can adjust & maintain, and then maybe using a carb rotation to keep a balance between not increasing bodyfat / depleting to dump water & then a refeed to refill, you could maintain a much lower than normal appearance. As an example of this I would point you to Bunny's log on the women's board -- she maintained 10-11% bf ripped up shredded last year. But I woudl also caution that trying to maintain that look could cost you some muscle mass over time.

 

[Mr.X]

how many of you are sick and tired of doing double session cardio days, eating clean every fucking day, gon on 15 week cutting cycles and still are able to grab "half of handful" of sub-q/fat layer around your core [stomach, love handless, back, etc]?

Even if you did a 15 week cutting cycle, it doesn't mean you'd shed all your bodyfat. Most individuals can only drop 15-20lbs. of fat in 15 weeks, that's not much if you're 30-40lbs. over. Most of the time, you just need to shed more bodyfat before you're not able to 'grab' anything.

 

[darwinmcduck]

Have you tried a long cycle of growth? It took 4 hard months of cardio diet and training but I got that off and had veins in my low abs. I didn't feel very goos though. Once, I got tired of doinf cardio twice a day it came back slowly. I am dieting now and it seems to be easier to lose this time but I have not got there yeat. I have been doin 4ius growth and started winny for a month then switched to turnabol and var. I have found that sittting in the wet sauna a few days a week helps with the "look" but likely does nothing for actual fat loss. A long cycle of gh at mod doses combined with diet has helped many and I suggest it to all that have not done it.

 

[Makavelli]

If you dieted that long and still have that much bodyfat then there's one of two answers: 1) You starting the diet obese. Or 2) your didn't use the right diet and/or the right amount of calories, i.e. you ate too much.

 

[abomb]

how many of you are sick and tired of doing double session cardio days, eating clean every fucking day, gon on 15 week cutting cycles and still are able to grab "half of handful" of sub-q/fat layer around your core [stomach, love handless, back, etc]?

How does one get that super paper-thin skin / unreal dry look?
Is it diuretics, what!?

Are you trying to dry up for a comp or is your question directed more towards how can you stay dry and paper thin all the time? If for a comp then I can't help you because I don't compete and probably never will. Because I never plan on competing means that I get to do all of the following:

1. Cheat on meals 25% of the time and correctly eat the other 75%.
2. No carb loading or depleting.
3. Stay off dangerous diuretics.
4. 20 minutes of cardio a day instead of 90.
5. Basically feel good most of time instead of shitty and weak.

I guess my point is that I would love to have ab veins and look like guys in magazines, but reality is that bodybuilders you see in mags take those photos right after a comp and they have literally tortured themselves to get that dry and grainy.

 

[Makavelli]

Are you trying to dry up for a comp or is your question directed more towards how can you stay dry and paper thin all the time? If for a comp then I can't help you because I don't compete and probably never will. Because I never plan on competing means that I get to do all of the following:

1. Cheat on meals 25% of the time and correctly eat the other 75%.
2. No carb loading or depleting.
3. Stay off dangerous diuretics.
4. 20 minutes of cardio a day instead of 90.
5. Basically feel good most of time instead of shitty and weak.

I guess my point is that I would love to have ab veins and look like guys in magazines, but reality is that bodybuilders you see in mags take those photos right after a comp and they have literally tortured themselves to get that dry and grainy.

I agree. The guys in the mags have tortured themselves for months to look that way. I'm done competing also. I'm not willing to destroy my quality of life anymore.

 

[mkazzbmf]

If your genetically not prone to viens and sinew look.....It prob wont happen without drastic measures.....even then you wont look like Shawn Ray in his prime when your done.....Just be your best I suppose thats all any mortal can do.


Kaz

 

[iHulk]

thanks guys. all awesome answers. u all fucken rule:
k to all of you: darwinmcduck, Sassy69, mak, a bomb, mr. x

Mak, abomb and kaz are hitting on an interesting appeal. I look at those guys in the mag and my logic tells me "no way can they live like that all the time" --and they don't but I just want it for some pics.

And no I don't compete, so all that were leaning towards just drying up for a comp basically you helped me answer my question as well. Its really only for 1 or 2 days that guys get that shredded. It does look so insane tho.

I don't want to mess with diuretics and non-potassium sparing stuff --as it is I fuck with body enough. Guess I just want to be ripped like that for a few days as well.

 

[BigCracker]

Bro, it's a genetics thing. Not every BB is blessed with the ability to be low BF% year round. It's just too much work. I'm one of the fattest guys on this board, yet I can get as shreddded as most of the ectomorphs. I can hold on to that condition for a couple weeks before competing. The rest of the year I look like shit(relatively speaking).


I'll easily gain 40 lbs back within a week after a show. In competitive BB all that matters is how you look at prejudging, so I really couldn't care less about how I look the other 364 days a year. I probably should since I get more girls hitting on me when I'm not a bloatus. However the personality that goes w/ my ripper bod isn't very good company since a large pizza looks sexier to me than a prom queen's clam.

 

[iHulk]

thanks for the pics BigCracker. when u fluxuate weight like that doesn't your skin lose its elasticity? seems it would get harder and harder to tighten up.

 

[jdevlin1985]

thanks for the pics BigCracker. when u fluxuate weight like that doesn't your skin lose its elasticity? seems it would get harder and harder to tighten up.

Growth hormone!!!

 

[BigCracker]

Growth hormone!!!

It definitely doesn't hurt. Neither does increasing your LBM. You also get tighter each time that you diet down.

I don't think I got that tight skin look until my 5th or 6th BB contest-and that's after 4-5 yrs of using AAS. What's really funny is when I diet down or gain weight after a show and people I haven't seen in a few months don't even recognize me anymore.

 

[iHulk]

I'm plan on giving HGH a try someday (almost did it this year but droppd the idea after realizing I just don't know enough) ..definitely within the next 3-5 years. I'm also hoping that IGF-1 gets more improved and less costly. If you check out my gallery I have a few pics of me in there. They were all taken within the last few months.

 

[bigtasty25]

i think cracker is pretty dead on...you get harder n harder with each show u do...tighter...the first show i did at 23 and i placed 5th novice...my 2nd show at 24 (2 weeks ago) i won the overall and my skin was tighter, and i was harder and denser and heavier...all adds to a more impressive overall look. Cracker you look awsome in those pics bro..im a competitive bodybuilder too but I can def tell it's the same guy in both pics...ive fluctated quite a bit like yourself on numerous occasions as well...for this comp i dieted from 5'9 230 all the way down to 163 n shredded n dry..veins on lower abs, back, hams, tris, u name it. If i did an NPC show im sure I wouldnt have won given my overall size but for a level 1 local show...sure was an ego boost.

But anywhoo bro back to you..you need to have low enough bodyfat in order to have a paperthin look, given you are very dry and deplete your water enough and take the necessary diuretics (dont overdo it on these...2 much wil lmake you look flat...TRUST me)...aldactone is all u need and maybe some otc stuff..lasix is more of a last resort kinda thing that I have on hand but rarely ever use.

In order for a paper thin look..look at dorian yates..he once said that in order to be truly shredded your bodyfat all over your entire body should be the thickness of the fat on the top of your hand (not your palm side)...so i was definately not anywhere near this for my show as are very few competitors..but im sure there are some that are...like some higher level pros, maybe some national level guys too im sure..im just postulating here though..who knows though..just my .02