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Vinegar and Glucose Disposal

ProtienFiend

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I heard that Vinegar has some glucose disposal or nutrient partitioning properties....

In what doses is it usually used and how long before your carb meal should one take it?

Anyone use it Post Workout? (like ALA)
 
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Int J Sports Med 2002 Apr;23(3):218-22

The efficacy of acetic acid for glycogen repletion in rat skeletal muscle after exercise.

Fushimi T, Tayama K, Fukaya M, Kitakoshi K, Nakai N, Tsukamoto Y, Sato Y.

Central Research Institute, Mitsukan Group Co. Ltd., Handa, Japan. [email protected]

We examined the effect of acetic acid, the main component of vinegar, on glycogen repletion by using swimming-exercised rats. Rats were trained for 7 days by swimming. After an overnight fast, they were subjected to a 2-hr swimming exercise. Immediately afterward, they were given by gavage 2 ml of one of the following solutions: 30 % glucose only or 30 % glucose with 0.4 % acetic acid. Rats were sacrificed by decapitation before, immediately after exercise and 2 hours after the feeding. Exercise significantly decreased soleus and gastrocnemius glycogen content, and feeding significantly increased liver, soleus and gastrocnemius glycogen content. In soleus muscle, acetate feeding significantly increased glycogen content and the ratio of glycogen synthase in the I form (means +/- SEM: 4.04 +/- 0.41 mg/g-tissue and 47.0 +/- 0.7 %, respectively) in contrast to no acetate feeding (3.04 +/- 0.29 mg/g-tissue and 38.1 +/- 3.4 %, respectively). Thus, these findings suggest that the feeding of glucose with acetic acid can more speedily accelerate glycogen repletion in skeletal muscle than can glucose only.
 
Interesting study MrMakaveli

What about the glucose disposal agent properies usually associated with vinegar ?
 
Anthrax said:
Interesting study MrMakaveli

What about the glucose disposal agent properies usually associated with vinegar ?


May be reading this wrong..but this is what the study addresses only using the active ingrediant in vinegar as opposed to vinegar itself. Vinegar wont lower plasma insulin like most GDA's so I guess it's classification as a GDA doesnt really fit..just is great PWO for pushing carbs into muscles.

Real world effect? Decent but honestly I just got sick of vinegar shots.
 
http://www.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/131/7/1973


For anyone interested.

Most of these links come from Cutting Edge Muscle. There seem to be quite a few results threads, so if your planning on using it, check those out.

One more thing..ALCAR is also quite a food GDA that I belive is specifically muscle targeted (ie, shuttles strictly toward muscle as opposed to fat).
 
My bad :worried:

Actually this is not good enough a reason to take vinegar with every cabs meal

BTW cinnamon also have interesting properties
 
Anthrax said:
My bad :worried:

Actually this is not good enough a reason to take vinegar with every cabs meal

BTW cinnamon also have interesting properties

Do you have any info on the cinnamon? I've been looking everywhere and cant find much, PubMed search engine just annoys me now.
 
Cinnamon improves glucose and lipids of people with type 2 diabetes.

Khan A, Safdar M, Ali Khan MM, Khattak KN, Anderson RA.

Department of Human Nutrition, NWFP Agricultural University, Peshawar, Pakistan.

OBJECTIVE: The objective of this study was to determine whether cinnamon improves blood glucose, triglyceride, total cholesterol, HDL cholesterol, and LDL cholesterol levels in people with type 2 diabetes. RESEARCH DESIGN AND METHODS: A total of 60 people with type 2 diabetes, 30 men and 30 women aged 52.2 +/- 6.32 years, were divided randomly into six groups. Groups 1, 2, and 3 consumed 1, 3, or 6 g of cinnamon daily, respectively, and groups 4, 5, and 6 were given placebo capsules corresponding to the number of capsules consumed for the three levels of cinnamon. The cinnamon was consumed for 40 days followed by a 20-day washout period. RESULTS: After 40 days, all three levels of cinnamon reduced the mean fasting serum glucose (18-29%), triglyceride (23-30%), LDL cholesterol (7-27%), and total cholesterol (12-26%) levels; no significant changes were noted in the placebo groups. Changes in HDL cholesterol were not significant. CONCLUSIONS: The results of this study demonstrate that intake of 1, 3, or 6 g of cinnamon per day reduces serum glucose, triglyceride, LDL cholesterol, and total cholesterol in people with type 2 diabetes and suggest that the inclusion of cinnamon in the diet of people with type 2 diabetes will reduce risk factors associated with diabetes and cardiovascular diseases.

PMID: 14633804 [PubMed - in process]

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The search for a natural way to keep blood sugar levels normal began more than a decade ago when ARS chemist Richard A. Anderson and co-workers at the Beltsville (Maryland) Human Nutrition Research Center assayed plants and spices used in folk medicine. They found that a few spices—especially cinnamon—made fat cells much more responsive to insulin, the hormone that regulates sugar metabolism and thus controls the level of glucose in the blood.

With help from Walter F. Schmidt in ARS's Nuclear Magnetic Resonance Laboratory at Beltsville, the researchers identified the compounds in cinnamon responsible for its activity. The patent application names Anderson, his co-workers C. Leigh Broadhurst and Marilyn M. Polansky, and Schmidt as the inventors.

Cinnamon is among the world's most frequently consumed spices and is relatively inexpensive. Anderson and colleagues found that its most active compound—methylhydroxy chalcone polymer (MHCP)—increased glucose metabolism roughly 20-fold in a test tube assay of fat cells.

The researchers tested 50 some plant extracts and found that none of them came close to MHCP's level of affecting glucose metabolism—a process in which cells convert glucose to energy. If in future research MHCP proves to do the same in people, it might provide a natural remedy against diabetes.

What's more, MHCP prevented the formation of damaging oxygen radicals in a blood platelet assay.

"That could be an important side benefit," notes Anderson. "Other studies have shown that antioxidant supplements can reduce or slow the progression of various complications of diabetes."

MHCP is the first chalcone, a type of polyphenol or flavonoid, reported in cinnamon. MHCP and other active compounds are water soluble and are not found in the spice oils sold as food additives.

Anderson pointed out that the water extract reduced blood pressure in hypertensive rats even before it increased insulin sensitivity. And compounds in a water extract are less likely to be toxic in large doses than those in an oil extract, he says.—By Judy McBride, Agricultural Research Service Information Staff.

This research is part of Human Nutrition, an ARS National Program (#107) described on the World Wide Web at http://www.nps.ars.usda.gov/programs/appvs.htm.

Richard A. Anderson is at the USDA-ARS Nutrient Requirements and Functions Laboratory, Bldg. 307, Room 224, 10300 Baltimore Ave., Beltsville, MD 20705-2350; phone (301) 504-8091, fax (301) 504-9062.


"Cinnamon Extracts Boost Insulin Sensitivity" was published in the July 2000 issue of Agricultural Research magazine.
 
Anthrax said:
Cinnamon improves glucose and lipids of people with type 2 diabetes.

Khan A, Safdar M, Ali Khan MM, Khattak KN, Anderson RA.

Department of Human Nutrition, NWFP Agricultural University, Peshawar, Pakistan.

OBJECTIVE: The objective of this study was to determine whether cinnamon improves blood glucose, triglyceride, total cholesterol, HDL cholesterol, and LDL cholesterol levels in people with type 2 diabetes. RESEARCH DESIGN AND METHODS: A total of 60 people with type 2 diabetes, 30 men and 30 women aged 52.2 +/- 6.32 years, were divided randomly into six groups. Groups 1, 2, and 3 consumed 1, 3, or 6 g of cinnamon daily, respectively, and groups 4, 5, and 6 were given placebo capsules corresponding to the number of capsules consumed for the three levels of cinnamon. The cinnamon was consumed for 40 days followed by a 20-day washout period. RESULTS: After 40 days, all three levels of cinnamon reduced the mean fasting serum glucose (18-29%), triglyceride (23-30%), LDL cholesterol (7-27%), and total cholesterol (12-26%) levels; no significant changes were noted in the placebo groups. Changes in HDL cholesterol were not significant. CONCLUSIONS: The results of this study demonstrate that intake of 1, 3, or 6 g of cinnamon per day reduces serum glucose, triglyceride, LDL cholesterol, and total cholesterol in people with type 2 diabetes and suggest that the inclusion of cinnamon in the diet of people with type 2 diabetes will reduce risk factors associated with diabetes and cardiovascular diseases.

PMID: 14633804 [PubMed - in process]

***********************************

The search for a natural way to keep blood sugar levels normal began more than a decade ago when ARS chemist Richard A. Anderson and co-workers at the Beltsville (Maryland) Human Nutrition Research Center assayed plants and spices used in folk medicine. They found that a few spices—especially cinnamon—made fat cells much more responsive to insulin, the hormone that regulates sugar metabolism and thus controls the level of glucose in the blood.

With help from Walter F. Schmidt in ARS's Nuclear Magnetic Resonance Laboratory at Beltsville, the researchers identified the compounds in cinnamon responsible for its activity. The patent application names Anderson, his co-workers C. Leigh Broadhurst and Marilyn M. Polansky, and Schmidt as the inventors.

Cinnamon is among the world's most frequently consumed spices and is relatively inexpensive. Anderson and colleagues found that its most active compound—methylhydroxy chalcone polymer (MHCP)—increased glucose metabolism roughly 20-fold in a test tube assay of fat cells.

The researchers tested 50 some plant extracts and found that none of them came close to MHCP's level of affecting glucose metabolism—a process in which cells convert glucose to energy. If in future research MHCP proves to do the same in people, it might provide a natural remedy against diabetes.

What's more, MHCP prevented the formation of damaging oxygen radicals in a blood platelet assay.

"That could be an important side benefit," notes Anderson. "Other studies have shown that antioxidant supplements can reduce or slow the progression of various complications of diabetes."

MHCP is the first chalcone, a type of polyphenol or flavonoid, reported in cinnamon. MHCP and other active compounds are water soluble and are not found in the spice oils sold as food additives.

Anderson pointed out that the water extract reduced blood pressure in hypertensive rats even before it increased insulin sensitivity. And compounds in a water extract are less likely to be toxic in large doses than those in an oil extract, he says.—By Judy McBride, Agricultural Research Service Information Staff.

This research is part of Human Nutrition, an ARS National Program (#107) described on the World Wide Web at http://www.nps.ars.usda.gov/programs/appvs.htm.

Richard A. Anderson is at the USDA-ARS Nutrient Requirements and Functions Laboratory, Bldg. 307, Room 224, 10300 Baltimore Ave., Beltsville, MD 20705-2350; phone (301) 504-8091, fax (301) 504-9062.


"Cinnamon Extracts Boost Insulin Sensitivity" was published in the July 2000 issue of Agricultural Research magazine.
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You must spread some Karma around before giving it to Anthrax again.
:) You have Karma coming lol.
 
"They found that a few spices—especially cinnamon—made fat cells much more responsive to insulin, the hormone that regulates sugar metabolism and thus controls the level of glucose in the blood."

Assuming non-specific glucose clearance since it made fat-cells responsive? Still might be an intersting to play with though.
 
yea bro... id give a chance... cant hurt right??

any other common foods (or supps) that can aid in increasing insulin sensitivity?

K when i get a chance
 
ProtienFiend said:
btw... whats a GDA? (guessing: glucose delivery aid??)

Glucose Disposal Agent :supercool
 
Ok...cinammon...

Seems brain/muscles wil have perferential access to glucose assuming not in excess (read: If your over-eating carbs..dont use it) and it works through glut-3/some insulin signalling hormone.

So...worth a shot, especially if your already lean

Will post more later if someone is truely interested...too many studies = brain fried :coffee:
 
this is the problem with all of these 'agents' - nonspecific, even r-ALA. I believe Roche (pharma) are designing a new drug that is going to target specifically muscular vs adipose repletion, but it's still in research stages :o
 
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