Vets - Big Mass Cycle Advice

[humanoid]

I am interested in hearing some feedback from vets on my all-out mass assault I have 12 years of lifting experience, and I have done many bulking cycles over the years. My last cycle was 1 year ago. My current stats are 6', 268, ~16% body fat (I am still holding a lot of water despite being on L-dex). My goal for the next year is to add as much mass as possible, and then transition into refining, shaping, and cutting for contest season 2005. I am currently in week 3 of the first mass cycle:

Mass cycle #1 (current):

week 1-5: dbol 40mg/ED
week 1-9: enanthate 1000mg/week
week 1-12: eq 750mg/week
week 10-12: test prop 125mg/ED
week 1-12: hcg 500iu twice per week
week 1-12: L-dex .5mg/ED

PCT:
starting week 13: hcg 1000iu/ED for 7 days, followed by clomid 300mg x 1 day, 100mg x 10 days, 50mg x 10 days and nolvadex 20mg x 14 days

Bridge:

week 13-16: anavar 20mg/day (niacin, flax, and fish oil to assist with lipids)
week 16-20: anavar 10mg/day (niacin, flax, and fish oil to assist with lipids)

Mass cycle #2:

week 23-24: anadrol 100mg/day
week 25: anadrol 50mg/ED
week 26-27: dbol 40mg/ED
week 23-32: sust 1000mg/week
week 23-32: deca 600mg/week
week 23-32: hcg 500iu twice per week
week 23-32: L-dex .5mg/ED

PCT:
starting week 33: hcg 1000iu/ED for 7 days, followed by clomid 300mg x 1 day, 100mg x 10 days, 50mg x 10 days and nolvadex 20mg x 14 days

 

[alltraps]

looks good, i did a similar approach early this year, and it worked well. i did anavar at 30mg and slowly tapered down to 5mg, in about 6 weeks, then went two weeks completely clean, and hit a big one again. good luck

 

[satchboogie]

i dont see the point in taking prop and enanthate together.

 

[humanoid]

i dont see the point in taking prop and enanthate together.

I'm not taking them together. I planned to drop the slow ester (enanthate) after week 9 and switch to a quick ester (prop) for the last 3 weeks. In my past experience I felt that the switch reduced my recovery time. I just feel better much quicker.

 

[BigB_79]

i dont see the point in taking prop and enanthate together.

He isn't. The enan ends before the prop begins

 

[satchboogie]

yes you're right.. i'm stupid!!!


my bad bro

 

[Dial_tone]

I am interested in hearing some feedback from vets on my all-out mass assault I have 12 years of lifting experience, and I have done many bulking cycles over the years. My last cycle was 1 year ago. My current stats are 6', 268, ~16% body fat (I am still holding a lot of water despite being on L-dex).

I would think somebody with that much experience (and taking that much stuff) wouldn't be asking for advice. FYI, whatever you're holding doesn't factor into your bodyfat, seeing how water has no calories.
If it works go for it. I don't really have anything to add.

 

[genarr3]

I question whether the PCT inbetween cycles is really going to do you any good.

It's obviously well thought out, but the only time you're actually off is between weeks 20 - 23.

So you're trying to recover while still on synthetic horomes, I'm not sure how well that works.

 

[humanoid]

Re: Re: Vets - Big Mass Cycle Advice

I would think somebody with that much experience (and taking that much stuff) wouldn't be asking for advice. FYI, whatever you're holding doesn't factor into your bodyfat, seeing how water has no calories.
If it works go for it. I don't really have anything to add.

It doesn't matter how much experience you have in anything, soliciting opinions and sharing ideas is always positive. This is my first experience with bridging two heavy cycles.

I wasn't stating that water retention was factoring into body fat reading. It is, however, factoring into my weight.

 

[humanoid]

I question whether the PCT inbetween cycles is really going to do you any good.

It's obviously well thought out, but the only time you're actually off is between weeks 20 - 23.

So you're trying to recover while still on synthetic horomes, I'm not sure how well that works.

This is the first time I've bridged two heavy cycles, so I wasn't entirely sure about PCT between the cycles. HCG during my cycles has certainly helped prevent atrophy and speed recovery. Should I just continue HCG semi-weekly through the bridge and skip PCT until the end? Any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated.

 

[-SD-]

6', 268, 16%?

Me thinks you just need to cut up, get to about 9% at a weight of 235-240. Just seems a lot healthier to me, and due to the much lowered bf you will look a lot better than your weight lets on to people.

 

[Stillgoing]

6', 268, 16%?

Me thinks you just need to cut up, get to about 9% at a weight of 235-240. Just seems a lot healthier to me, and due to the much lowered bf you will look a lot better than your weight lets on to people.

Yeah but he's going for a competition in 2005. If he is still 12-18 months out, he's fine as long as he slowly reduces the bodyfat over the next year to get to around 8-10% when he starts his diet 12-16wks out.

 

[Stillgoing]

Some thoughts:

1- If your goal of PCT is to actually facilitate some recovery of HPTA (which to me is an unknown on whether its possible or not in between these cycles), your starting it too soon after both of them. On cycle #1, your starting a week after you shot 750mg of eq. You will still be full up on exo influences at this point. Further, your running var at this point. Same with #2, your starting a week after shooting 1600mg of sust & deca. Way too soon. Most will say this won't facilitate recovery due to the significant exo influences still in you when you run PCT. However, your methodology looks somewhat similar to the doggcrapp cycle method. Last I checked, he admits to not knowing whether it facilitates recovery or not, but, since his method is based on being on all the time, he figures its worth a shot.

2- Your going fairly heavy on the HCG over an extended period of time. You might consider dropping the weekly injects to 1x.

3- While I know nothing of your previous cycle history, based on stats & what I've read, I suspect you would have better & more sustainable gains if you lowered the dosages slightly and ran the cycles for a little longer periods of time. IMO running high dosages of long esters for less than 12wks doesn't stack up well on the risk/return scale. Your taking your body through all the hormonal havic of drastically changing levels, but, you don't quite run it long enough to maximize effect. Again, my experience and my opinion only. So, as a suggestion, I'd consider running the longs 12wks, kicking in shorts to go out another couple, then jumping into PCT 3wks after last shots and then taking a longer break in between.

4- Since your developing a long-term plan, I'd set up a 12-18 month schedule now on roughly when you'll be on and when you'll be off, right up to the show time, thus gauging if you've given yourself enough time of each.

 

[humanoid]

I want to thank everyone for the suggestions. I very much appreciate your assistance.

Stillgoing - special thanks to you! Regarding your thoughts:

1 - My goal of PCT is to facilitate some recovery of HPTA, but I also don't know that it's possible. My previous cycle history has typically followed time on = time off (at a minimum). This will be my first experience bridging two heavy cycles, and I'm just hoping for some recovery. I suppose I will try the PCT and judge success on blood tests and how I feel.

2 - In the past I used 500iu once per week during my cycle, but the first cycle shut me down quickly (and I'm only in week 3). I just started the twice per week doses, and atrophy has been reversed. Perhaps I can split the difference at around 750iu once per week and work from there.

3 - Your logic is very reasonable, and I will begin working on a complete schedule. I also hadn't considered running the long esters for a bit longer, but your theory makes sense. My overall health is very important, so I will adjust doses and lengths accordingly. I will post a revised and full schedule when it's complete.

 

[Stillgoing]

Ok, I'll look for the revised plan.

 

[jubei]

You either need to end you eq in week 10 or extend the prop otherwise there is no point... The eq will still be in your system when you are trying to "recover".

 

[Dial_tone]

I like to start and end a cycle with short acting stuff.