var/gh year round

[methblue]

I know that I've read about this type of cycle somewhere, did a search for it and the message thread I was looking for never came up So I wanted to gather some thoughts on dosages, how long to stay on, results of those that have done a simliar cycle, etc.. Any input would be appreciated.

J.

 

[FatChops]

I'll bump this for ya

 

[lawnsaver]

Not recomended!! GH yes, anavar no!! Anavar will suppress your HPTA and will raise your liver values. Gh all yes, anavar 6-8 weeks on 6-8 weeks off. ALA can be used to help protect the liver.

 

[mvmaxx]

I can't imagine how much that would cost even it was safe.

 

[liftsiron]

Not recomended!! GH yes, anavar no!! Anavar will suppress your HPTA and will raise your liver values. Gh all yes, anavar 6-8 weeks on 6-8 weeks off. ALA can be used to help protect the liver.

Anavar is so mild on the liver it is used in treatment of wasteing caused by hepatitis, over long peroids of time without any harmful effects.

 

[methblue]

Not recomended!! GH yes, anavar no!! Anavar will suppress your HPTA and will raise your liver values. Gh all yes, anavar 6-8 weeks on 6-8 weeks off. ALA can be used to help protect the liver.

Anavar is so mild on the liver it is used in treatment of wasteing caused by hepatitis, over long peroids of time without any harmful effects.

I've done plenty of reading up on var and have found the same findings, and I swear I've read about someone doing a simliar cycle year round running var @ about 10mg/ED. Would that dose do more positive than negative? Because its obviously VERY cost effective. About cost, this cycle wont be done for about another 3 months so I'll be able to save up for it -- plus I have a source in Reynosa that is very generous.

J.

 

[wrj]

Var is perfectly safe to do over extended periods of time as long as the doseage is within reason. To counteract the minimal HPTA supression you could use something as mild as tribulus or a shot of HCG here and there.

 

[methblue]

Var is perfectly safe to do over extended periods of time as long as the doseage is within reason. To counteract the minimal HPTA supression you could use something as mild as tribulus or a shot of HCG here and there.

Can you be a bit more specific? Im guessing 5000iu HCG every 6 weeks wouldnt do much damage, and what would you dose the var at? Looking for someone with experience on this type of cycle to offer some results..Thnx.

J.

 

[2Thick]

The fact is that you receptors will burn out after a few months on the var. The GH is okay, though.

 

[lawnsaver]

Not recomended!! GH yes, anavar no!! Anavar will suppress your HPTA and will raise your liver values. Gh all yes, anavar 6-8 weeks on 6-8 weeks off. ALA can be used to help protect the liver.

Anavar is so mild on the liver it is used in treatment of wasteing caused by hepatitis, over long peroids of time without any harmful effects.

Believe me anavar is liver toxic. I had base line blood work done before a 8 week anavar cycle at 40mg a day. My liver values rose 40 points and my test was down to 125 from 305. I didnt take anything else.

I is not used to correct liver damage from winny, it is used to replace it as it is not nearly as hard on the liver as winny is. My major point is dont use anavar 365 days a year, you will damage your liver.

 

[liftsiron]

2Thick The fact is that you receptors will burn out after a few months on the var. The GH is okay, though.

Sorry 2thick but this is complete bullshit, androgen receptor burnout is a myth, our androgen receptors are replacing themselves each second, not all at once mind you. I've been on 20mg of var daily for a long peroid of time now without any burnout. My strength keeps increasing and my body weight is remaining constant, while I have shedded a lot of bodyfat. I believe that androgen receptors can become saturated, after a peroid of time at very high dose anabolic use, these are two separate issues. 10 to 20mg of var every day for months on end will not do it. As far as htpa shutdown I doubt that 20mg of var daily even for long peroids will have much effect on htpa. When you have anabolic receptor saturation, you still make gains it is just that 80mg of d-bol a day will give you no more results than 40mg. In this case however it seems that the excess anabolics, that have no receptors on the muscle cells available seek out cortisol receptors and attach themself to those, thus reducing catabolism.

 

[drug_against_war]

Liftsiron, did you gain any muscle mass with the var or only strength and fat loss?

 

[lawnsaver]

liftsiron, this complete speculation. Everyone is different!! Believe me, I have friends who have aids that take GH and anavar. They constantly need to check their liver values. The doctor always takes them off when values rise. The bottom line is it is c17aa. Anything with that attached will cause damage over long periods of time.

I cant even believe you would tell someone to take var 365 days a year. I wouldnt even take advil ed??

There are other things he could take so that he can cycle off the var. If there is an option, why take the chance??

I think you advice is completely offbase and dangerous.

 

[liftsiron]

liftsiron, this complete speculation. Everyone is different!! Believe me, I have friends who have aids that take GH and anavar. They constantly need to check their liver values. The doctor always takes them off when values rise. The bottom line is it is c17aa. Anything with that attached will cause damage over long periods of time.

I cant even believe you would tell someone to take var 365 days a year. I wouldnt even take advil ed??

There are other things he could take so that he can cycle off the var. If there is an option, why take the chance??

I think you advice is completely offbase and dangerous.


Lawnsaver you have a hell of alot of posts, maybe you should spend some of the time you spend posting, researching instead. Refer to the anavar liver toxic thread that I posted the other day. WTF are you talking about using anavar to correct liver damege from winny, did you pull that out of your ass, I sure didn't say anything like that in any of my post. In fact winny is a piss poor steroid and is very harsh on the liver. When your liver values went up were you taking any otc meds, boozeing? Also weight training alone will elevate certain liver values, a simple elevation of liver enzymes does not in itself determine that damege is occurring. Studies with aids patients is less aplicable to healthy people than studies with rats. When you have aids your fucked up, small fluctations in liver values are the least of your worries. You think that my advice is off base, but really you have no idea. Long term cycles with low dose anavar is very safe.

drug_against_war Liftsiron, did you gain any muscle mass with the var or only strength and fat loss

I gained smoe definite muscle, but what was really noticeable was the change in the hardness and quality of my muscle. Anavar does not give me alot of mas, but I get slow steady gains.

 

[liftsiron]

The Steroid Dilemma - Part 1
by Jerrod Raymon

What if there was an anabolic steroid that was not toxic? Could one exist that could be used without the chance of abuse by the body building community? Believe it or not there is substantial scientific evidence that such drugs do indeed exist. One such substance is Anavar (oxandrolone). In fact it is being used everyday by doctors on a variety of patients.



So why is it illegal? Because it is a steroid like substance. You see for a steroid substance to work properly it typically contains a C-17 alpha alkylated ion which is very toxic to the liver. What this substance does is allow the steroid to pass through the liver without being absorbed or broken down. Basically with this ion the steroid can pass through the liver and last in the blood for a longer period of time.

Steroids without this substance do not last in the blood stream very long since they break down very fast. In contrast they are also not very toxic. Studies have found that persons with liver damage caused by drug or alcohol damage who take Anavar do not get worse. Meaning that the steroid itself does not degrade or negatively affect the liver even when the liver already has significant damage to it. These studies are well published.



Anavar does not contain a C-17 alpha alkylated ion which makes it extremely safe and non-toxic to the liver. It also does not easily convert to estrogen like other steroids.

Anavar is not know as a bulk building steroid but it is one that is often added to a steroid cycle know as stacking. This enhances the steroids effects by combining several compatible steroids. We will be covering this in a later article. Anaver is often added to a testosterone (Cypionate or Enanthate) cycle with Winstrol. You can find out more about these in the Steroid Reference library here.


So the dilemma is this. If you can give a steroid to someone that has advanced liver damage and they do not get worse; then the steroid is not toxic. Not only that but if the steroid is not very bulk building oriented then how can it be psychologically addictive. So then why is it illegal? Your comments are greatly appreciated.



Fucking Goddamn what a revelation

 

[2Thick]

Sorry 2thick but this is complete bullshit, androgen receptor burnout is a myth, our androgen receptors are replacing themselves each second, not all at once mind you.

You can discuss it with a PhD in Molecular Biology, because that is what I did. I would imagine that he would know. I do not post information without researching it myself first.

 

[buffdoc]

I'm brand new on the board, but I'll weigh in on the anavar/GH issue, as I'm on year round GH (low-dose, anti-aging) and am adding Oxandrin (same as anavar) to my cycle tomorrow.
Oxandrolone is being used by "regular" docs for a lot of sick people. In fact, a recent study showed patients with alcoholic liver disease (hepatitis) actually saw an IMPROVEMENT in their liver function values after starting oxandrolone.
It's one of the safest oral AS available. Very expensive. Luckily, I'm a doc and get it by prescription. Yes!

Regards to all.

 

[icelandic]

I'm not commenting on the cycle, but as far as AR downregulation is concerned, Bill Roberts said it is complete bullshit. That pretty much settles the debate as far as I'm concerned.

 

[lawnsaver]

Lawnsaver you have a hell of alot of posts, maybe you should spend some of the time you spend posting, researching instead. Refer to the anavar liver toxic thread that I posted the other day. WTF are you talking about using anavar to correct liver damege from winny, did you pull that out of your ass, I sure didn't say anything like that in any of my post. In fact winny is a piss poor steroid and is very harsh on the liver. When your liver values went up were you taking any otc meds, boozeing? Also weight training alone will elevate certain liver values, a simple elevation of liver enzymes does not in itself determine that damege is occurring. Studies with aids patients is less aplicable to healthy people than studies with rats. When you have aids your fucked up, small fluctations in liver values are the least of your worries. You think that my advice is off base, but really you have no idea. Long term cycles with low dose anavar is very safe.


Reading your post, which states anavar doesnt contain a c17aa ion. That is the first time I heard that. If that is true, my comments were off base. Although anavar is the "safest" steroid out there, there are still warnings on the inserts. Why? It states that liver damage could be a side, gyno, suppression of HPTA. Being that oxandrin is FDA approved, I'm sure that info is correct.

I do spend a lot of time reading abstracts and studies, but my info comes right from the insert on the bottle.

Moderation is the key to life, but to say that taking anavar ED all year long is tough to swallow. The bottom line is it is a steroid. What would truely be the reason why to take a low dose 365 days a year?

I didnt mean my thread to sound like a flame, but I just cant believe that taking 20mg of anavar ed for 365 day in a row would not have any negative effects on the body.

 

[liftsiron]

Lawnsaver I believe in long cycles but not necessarialy year around. Although I will personally be on anavar for at least one year, I will mix up the other gear though, and drop all but anavar for a peroid of a few months. The insert is written by lawyers to prevent liability. Your a good bro, and I didn't mean to sound like an ass.

2Thick what does a phd in mol. bio. have to do with anavar or receptor downgrade? How much research has this person done in this area, and just as important how many cycles? I have a number of medical doctors, asking my advice on topics concerning, anabolics, nutrition and exercise. On less an expert has expertise in a given area you may as well ask a homeless person the pros and cons of anabolic use. Peace.

 

[georgie24]

how shredded can you get off this cocktail?

 

[liftsiron]

georgie24 how shredded can you get off this cocktail?

Shredded to ribbons with a proper diet, eca, dnp, t-3, clen, are not needed either. I do add pyruvate at 6 grams a day in the final weeks prior a show.

 

[georgie24]

georgie24 how shredded can you get off this cocktail?

Shredded to ribbons with a proper diet, eca, dnp, t-3, clen, are not needed either. I do add pyruvate at 6 grams a day in the final weeks prior a show.