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using an oral to bridge into pct?

*The_West*

*The_West*

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good afternoon gentlemen. i was just wondering what anyones opinions were on using an oral after your last injection of long ester test, effectively bridging to pct while the test is clearing you system.
also what do any of you think would be suitable for this purpose? i know a few who have used dbol at the end of a cycle, but i dont think i fancy bloating at the end of a cycle. i was thinking perhaps winstrol, but would i be short changing myself in terms of winstrol's hardening effect by only running it for 2 weeks at the end of the cycle?
i realise the negative impact winstrol has on hdl/ldl, so i would want to keep the duration of its use to the minimum.
 
This can be effective. A pre PCT. It just lets you down for a slightly softer landing. I like winny but prefer inj depot, much more effective. 2 weeks might be abit short to see effects. How about Tbol? Dbol could still be OK if you keep your diet incheck & training intensity up.
 
Im no expert but from what I understand Tbol wopuld be good as its rel low bloat and extremely fast acting. Its hard to get where me and the West live though
 
ahh turinabol. thats a good idea. i just want something fairly easy going, that doesnt aromatise, for those few weeks before pct, just so i dont have still-shut down endo test levels whilst exogenous levels are plummeting. do you think this would even make much of a difference than just having the last shot of test and waiting the two weeks for pct?
if not, i wouldnt be opposed to running turinabol for 4-6 weeks at the end of a cycle. i have never used nor known anyone that uses it, but i know i can get it. its not nearly as harsh on cholesterol as winstrol, is it?
 
There is no such thing as BRIDGING. Please understand that guys. I don't want to hear any more questions about bridging....

You are either ON or OFF....you can't "bridge" with another steroid....using aas, even if it's a very small dose means you're ON.

That being said, I use anadrol 50 to kickstart a test-based cycle. I sometimes use it to end a cycle as well. Another god option would be dbols.
 
the_alcatraz said:
There is no such thing as BRIDGING. Please understand that guys. I don't want to hear any more questions about bridging....

You are either ON or OFF....you can't "bridge" with another steroid....using aas, even if it's a very small dose means you're ON.

That being said, I use anadrol 50 to kickstart a test-based cycle. I sometimes use it to end a cycle as well. Another god option would be dbols.
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alright calm down traz, if you read the thread properly it says "bridge into pct" not "bridging between cycles"
the purpose i am considering it for is just to keep my body in an anabolic state while long esters are clearing and im waiting for pct, not to link cycles together, which is just an excuse for never coming off.
i know i would still be "on" but i can run an oral like tbol right from my last pin up to pct. i dont fancy anadrol or anything that aromatises due to not wanting bloat at the end of a cycle.
 
the_alcatraz said:
There is no such thing as BRIDGING. Please understand that guys. I don't want to hear any more questions about bridging....

You are either ON or OFF....you can't "bridge" with another steroid....using aas, even if it's a very small dose means you're ON.

That being said, I use anadrol 50 to kickstart a test-based cycle. I sometimes use it to end a cycle as well. Another god option would be dbols.
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Steady on Boss. I think his use of the term "bridging" was in the correct context. He is not trying to do anything other than complete a cycle with an oral as being the final component of this before PCT. He did not imply that he wanted to use something between cycles, which is commonly referred, rightly or wrongly, as "bridging".
 
cobracock1979 said:
Anyone got any study info on supression and atrophy, ie suppression times in correlation with permanent damage/ non restoration
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i have been looking for something like this. i know turinabol is thought of as pretty mild, (if that can be possible with aas) but will still suppress as any other steroid would.
i doubt two weeks while waiting for pct will cause any lasting damage, i will be using hcg 250iu twice weekly weeks 3-10 anyway.
 
*The_West* said:
alright calm down traz, if you read the thread properly it says "bridge into pct" not "bridging between cycles"
the purpose i am considering it for is just to keep my body in an anabolic state while long esters are clearing and im waiting for pct, not to link cycles together, which is just an excuse for never coming off.
i know i would still be "on" but i can run an oral like tbol right from my last pin up to pct. i dont fancy anadrol or anything that aromatises due to not wanting bloat at the end of a cycle.
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I know what you meant. But "bridging" does not really exist if you're using aas. I see this word get used in all the wrong contexts. I think it's a good idea to use orals to end a cycle, but you need to realise that you are not coming off by doing so, so what is "your" purpose for doing so?

I know mine would be to reap some extra gains cycle end.
 
Anavar could be a good way to finish this off nicely before you begin PCT. I have wrapped up a test cycle with anavar at the tail end and I was pleased with the result following the PCT.
 
the_alcatraz said:
I know what you meant. But "bridging" does not really exist if you're using aas. I see this word get used in all the wrong contexts. I think it's a good idea to use orals to end a cycle, but you need to realise that you are not coming off by doing so, so what is "your" purpose for doing so?

I know mine would be to reap some extra gains cycle end.
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bridging does exist, all it is is using a low dose of aas to fill a gap. most people use this as an excuse for not coming off, which is not my cup of tea. it would only be another 2 weeks that i was "on" for (if you are not counting the time between your last poke and pct as being "on")
my purpose for doing so, as i have said, is to remain in an anabolic state while the test is clearing but endogenous test production hasnt been kickstarted yet.
that isnt such a bad idea, surely?
 
i was thinking of using dermacrine for last 4 weeks ,then hit the sustain alpha and endo omp for pct???dbol weeks 1-4....sustanon weeks 1-8....dermacrine weeks 8-11,,,,,,test recovery stack from pp,,,weeks 11-15,,,any good or rubbish cycle??
 
Taking orals only the last 2 weeks while longe esteres leave the body is a VERY GOOD idea.

Any AAS you want could fit the bill. It depeneds on what you want. If you want to lean and get dry, either winny, var or halo will do the trick. If you want extra mass go with dbol or anadrol. If you want a little extra mass with a tiny bit of water retention then tbol is your answer. I

I would prefer anavar over all the others personally. I have used tbol and it was good stuff. Dbol is good too if you don't mind gaining 5 lbs of water. Anadrol will raise your RBC count through the roof and you'll gain as much as 10 pounds, much of it bloat. but when the bloat subsides, anadrol will leave you vascular as hell.

The reason I chose var is mising out on the bloat, getting some vascularity and getting strength and any weight you gain won't be phantom weight.
 
the_alcatraz said:
I know what you meant. But "bridging" does not really exist if you're using aas. I see this word get used in all the wrong contexts. I think it's a good idea to use orals to end a cycle, but you need to realise that you are not coming off by doing so, so what is "your" purpose for doing so?

I know mine would be to reap some extra gains cycle end.
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You're right, bridging doesn't really exist. You are on or off.





What this concept is is NOT bridging bros. It's just the end of your cycle.

"Bridge" was the incorrect word to describe this.

I like to call it the "closer".

If you have test E in your system for 2 weeks, but the last few days the levels are below a natural level, what good is that doing? Using an oral to keep hormone levels up with the ability to move into PCT the following day is ideal.
 
thansk for the reply DBG. i think i will go for tbol, lets just say if var costs 10 bananas, i can get tbol for only 5 bananas.
im not realy using the steroid for its actual effects, as 2 weeks is a bit on the short side, i purely want a low androgenic, non aromatising oral to keep my body anabolic while esters are clearing.
 
*The_West* said:
thansk for the reply DBG. i think i will go for tbol, lets just say if var costs 10 bananas, i can get tbol for only 5 bananas.
im not realy using the steroid for its actual effects, as 2 weeks is a bit on the short side, i purely want a low androgenic, non aromatising oral to keep my body anabolic while esters are clearing.
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Good choice. I like tbol.
 
dabuffguy said:
might as well use winny if you are going to use proviron.
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Really? How so? Proviron is a lot less harsh than Proviron and doesn't mess up your lipid profile nearly as bad as winny. Plus it's got the SBHG binding effect which will help keep that estro in check right?
 
lookinfit75 said:
Really? How so? Proviron is a lot less harsh than Proviron and doesn't mess up your lipid profile nearly as bad as winny. Plus it's got the SBHG binding effect which will help keep that estro in check right?
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Proviron is purely androgenic. There is no mass building properties to it. It only provides a hardening effect to the muscle. Proviron is also suppressive.

Winny does what proviron does by lowering SHBG, with the addition of the anabolic mass building properties. For 2 weeks, it will not make a dramatic effect on lipid profiles.

Winny is not much more "harsh" than proviron at all.
 
dabuffguy said:
Proviron is purely androgenic. There is no mass building properties to it. It only provides a hardening effect to the muscle. Proviron is also suppressive.

Winny does what proviron does by lowering SHBG, with the addition of the anabolic mass building properties. For 2 weeks, it will not make a dramatic effect on lipid profiles.

Winny is not much more "harsh" than proviron at all.
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Call me crazy, but when I used to add proviron to my anadrol + test cycle, it used to aid in strength increase...:rolleyes:
 
dabuffguy said:
Proviron is purely androgenic. There is no mass building properties to it. It only provides a hardening effect to the muscle. Proviron is also suppressive.

Winny does what proviron does by lowering SHBG, with the addition of the anabolic mass building properties. For 2 weeks, it will not make a dramatic effect on lipid profiles.

Winny is not much more "harsh" than proviron at all.
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I don't know but if I am not mistakened, Winny is c-17 alkylated where as Proviron is a not which would make Winny pretty harsh compared to Proviron. Also, At the end of a cycle wouldn't you want the hardening effects of Proviron? Furthermore, isn't Proviron far less supressive than Winny? Granted it's only two weeks we are talking about but still, two weeks of a c-17 versus two weeks of a non c-17 is a bit more appealing right?
 
provided your bf is low enough, winny is great for hardening up. that was why i originally was considering winny, although i think il go with tbol now. i have been curious about tbol for a while now, i might actually run the last 4 weeks on it. hmmmmm, decisions, decisions.
 
lookinfit75 said:
I don't know but if I am not mistakened, Winny is c-17 alkylated where as Proviron is a not which would make Winny pretty harsh compared to Proviron. Also, At the end of a cycle wouldn't you want the hardening effects of Proviron? Furthermore, isn't Proviron far less supressive than Winny? Granted it's only two weeks we are talking about but still, two weeks of a c-17 versus two weeks of a non c-17 is a bit more appealing right?
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Proviron

alpha-methyl-17 beta-hydroxy-5 alpha-androstan-3-one

as you can see, proviron is methylated. methylated vs c-17. I'm not sure the effect on liver values between the two.

Winny gives the hardening effect as well.

Proviron is less suppresive, but you are still ON CYCLE, so who cares?


Like you said, it's only two weeks, and we are starting to split hairs here and getting further into it than we need to. It depends on what you want.

If you want anabolic proprties, and the hardening effect, use winny. If you don't care about the additional muscle gains, go with proviron. Most would opt for the anabolic winny i assume.

As far as harshness and suppression, winny over proviron will not make a big difference in such a short amount of time.

I used proviron once, and I thought it was good stuff. I haven't used winny though.




The point of this concept is to continue to build muscle until the very day you need to start your PCT. Winny does a better job of that then proviron.
 
Ok, I can accept that brohamed but for the record, all of the stuff that I have read about Proviron is that it is not very hepo-toxic. Winny is another story. I've tried both and I liked using Proviron at the end. But like we have both said, it's only 2 weeks so fuggedaboudit lol. they are both viable options given the length of time.
Gotta hit the gym broski!
 
lookinfit75 said:
Ok, I can accept that brohamed but for the record, all of the stuff that I have read about Proviron is that it is not very hepo-toxic. Winny is another story. I've tried both and I liked using Proviron at the end. But like we have both said, it's only 2 weeks so fuggedaboudit lol. they are both viable options given the length of time.
Gotta hit the gym broski!
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Sure either one is fine.

the_west is going with tbol anyway which I think is a better choice than either winny or proviron for my tastes.
 
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