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Hey UT and 2Thick and Manny, you should start another thread to continue the Intra-Canadian quarreling you started on the Schwartzkopf thread. I was learining a lot about the current state of affairs there.

It seems you Canucks know a lot about the US but we hear so little about you.

By the way, I am sympathetic to the the Alliance Party there. How is it doing these days? What is the name of the young leader of that Party?
 
Stephen Harper

Unfortunately, the right wing of the country is fragmented into 2 parties which basically guarantees Liberal governments until the Canadian Alliance & Progressive Conservatives get themselves back under one party.

Paul Martin, who will likely be our next Prime Minister, is fairly conservative compared to the present clown we have as PM.
 
ttlpkg said:
Hey UT and 2Thick and Manny, you should start another thread to continue the Intra-Canadian quarreling you started on the Schwartzkopf thread. I was learining a lot about the current state of affairs there.

It seems you Canucks know a lot about the US but we hear so little about you.

By the way, I am sympathetic to the the Alliance Party there. How is it doing these days? What is the name of the young leader of that Party?
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Stephen Harper is their leader. It's probably the only hope we have. Liberals, no matter their leader wil always be the same shit. Gun control laws, taxes.... all came under these dickheads.

Unfortunately Canada is divided into 3 political region:

East/Atlantic which is usually pro NDP (left) and liberals. They love their welfare and other social laws.

Center (Quebec, Ontario) which is liberal and Separatists (for Quebec). Dunno why. Doesnt make sense since both are rich. But there's some hope for Quebec since the ADQ (a right wing provincial party) might be elected in april.

West which is usually conservative.

There's so much to be done here........
 
What is the major difference between the Alliance and the Progressives? Is one comparable to American conservatives? (anti gun control, pro-life, anti-tax, pro-military, etc?)
 
manny,

arent you a government employee? i thought you would be in favor of a big budget, if you're on the payroll.
 
Well Poink, you and I are conservative, and as an Army officer I am a govt employee. You are considering a military career as well.

So being a govt employee doesn't necessarily equate to being liberal.
 
ttlpkg said:
Well Poink, you and I are conservative, and as an Army officer I am a govt employee. You are considering a military career as well.

So being a govt employee doesn't necessarily equate to being liberal.
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i agree with you.

i am just usually shocked when i hear a government employee being a conservative, especially a canadian one ;) . most of them are liberals, because without liberals, many of them wouldnt have a job.

regarding the military, i think they don't count as being your typical government employee.

the majority of liberals, in any position of power, are usually 1960's anti-war protestors. they have had the military budget in their crosshairs for years, because they think the united states military is the root of all that is evil in the world. this is the only budget they would ever want to cut. however, they are all for giving paper-pushers at the DMV 60-70k a year, regardless of their performance.

plus, liberals are cowards and would never join the military or do anything to help support this country.
 
but yeah, back to candian politics. i know very little about the canadian government, except the fact their military is a joke (around 45,000 troops total).

why is your army such a joke? do you people not think you need an army because you and the US are neighbors?

which part of canada is the most liberal?
 
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manny78 said:


Unfortunately Canada is divided into 3 political region:

East/Atlantic which is usually pro NDP (left) and liberals. They love their welfare and other social laws.

There's so much to be done here........
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Pro NDP? The NDP are practically non existent in this area of the country. We have 3 Conservative governments and 1 Liberal (Nfld. which will likely be Conservative after the next election.)

It's only Ontario west which has been stupid enough to elect NDP provincial governments. Alberta can be counted on to never do so... thank God.

Manny is right about many Atlantic Canadians being too reliant on social programs, but he ignores that Quebecers are very fond of social programs too. The oil & natural gas industry on the east coast is helping to bring that need (want) down. Not quickly enough for my liking though. Newfoundland and Prince Edward Island will have the highest rates of economic growth again this year.

The Canadian Alliance is the most like the Republicans. PC's are kind of wishy washy on issues, which is why we as a country need the real right wingers back in the PC party to knock some sense back into them.

For the American readers... NDP = communist assholes
Stands for New Democratic Party or more precisely No Definite Plan
 
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ttlpkg said:
What is the major difference between the Alliance and the Progressives? Is one comparable to American conservatives? (anti gun control, pro-life, anti-tax, pro-military, etc?)
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Liberals = democrats in the US

Conservatives = republicans but with a little liberal in their pockets.

Alliance Party = a mix between conservatives and Libertarian (for some of their politics). They're pro-gun, pro-death penalty, anti-taxes, anti-welfare.
 
p0ink said:
manny,

arent you a government employee? i thought you would be in favor of a big budget, if you're on the payroll.
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Our budget is ok. The problem is, most of the money goes to social/commie healthcare programs, welfare and stuff like that.
 
p0ink said:
but yeah, back to candian politics. i know very little about the canadian government, except the fact their military is a joke (around 45,000 troops total).

why is your army such a joke? do you people not think you need an army because you and the US are neighbors?

which part of canada is the most liberal?
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It's a matter of philosophy. In the 50's/60's (the golden age of the canadian army) we had an aircraft carrier, 100 000 troops and over, at least 5-6 bases in Europe, nukes. We had a more interventionist attitude so the reason for a big army. Now the Canadian army closed all its bases in Europe. There's no direct threat.

Just give me one reason to have 100 000 soldiers again ?
 
manny78 said:


It's a matter of philosophy. In the 50's/60's (the golden age of the canadian army) we had an aircraft carrier, 100 000 troops and over, at least 5-6 bases in Europe, nukes. We had a more interventionist attitude so the reason for a big army. Now the Canadian army closed all its bases in Europe. There's no direct threat.

Just give me one reason to have 100 000 soldiers again ?
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who was responsible for decimating your military? do you guys still have nukes, or did you dismantle them?

i can see your point about not having a huge army, i just thought it was odd for such a large country to have such a small army.
 
p0ink said:


who was responsible for decimating your military? do you guys still have nukes, or did you dismantle them?

i can see your point about not having a huge army, i just thought it was odd for such a large country to have such a small army.
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Mostly the liberals in the 70's. The conservatives had good intentions but unfortunately they paid too much attention to the surveys. After the Cold war, the bases (all in Germany) became useless. No more nukes too.
 
manny78 said:


Our budget is ok. The problem is, most of the money goes to social/commie healthcare programs, welfare and stuff like that.
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The Canadian Health Care system is very, very good. (OHIP)

Its one of the things i most liked about Canada.

Eliminating it is a BAD idea.

Fonz
 
Fonz said:


The Canadian Health Care system is very, very good. (OHIP)

Its one of the things i most liked about Canada.

Eliminating it is a BAD idea.

Fonz
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Yeah, but I heard the Income Tax rate there is NUTS... isn't it like 50%??? To give everyone health care?

Does everyone in Canada get equal health care? Do people have their OWN health care? Is it like a giant HMO???

I think I'd be an Alliance guy if I was in Canada... I'm anti-Welfare, pro-gun... all that jazz... :) Pretty much a stout republican here...

C-ditty
 
Citruscide said:
Yeah, but I heard the Income Tax rate there is NUTS... isn't it like 50%??? To give everyone health care?

Depends on your income, but yes it can get that high. Then again, my brother in NYC pays almost that amount when State & Federal taxes are added up.

Does everyone in Canada get equal health care? Do people have their OWN health care? Is it like a giant HMO???

Well, I chose my own Doctor, can go to see her when I want. If I have an emergency I can go to the Hospital without question. Actually I've been there 3 times in the last 6 weeks with a combined wait of 15 minutes. I really can't complain about the healthcare system too much. It's done well by my family & I. My Dad's a Dr. and sees the waste in the system as being a bureaucracy issue. There of course is a difference between what's available to someone in the Yukon as opposed to Toronto. But nobody can tell me the same care is available to someone in a remote part of Omaha and a person in Chicago.

I think I'd be an Alliance guy if I was in Canada... I'm anti-Welfare, pro-gun... all that jazz... :) Pretty much a stout republican here...

Move North, we need all the conservatives possible.

C-ditty
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My wife is Canadian. You're right OHIP seems to work and is popular with Candians, but the income tax and Provincial tax seems crippling. Plus unemployment is high (double digit) and there seems to be no stigma if you're on "poagie".

As far as the military, the Canadians have a great tradition, my wife's Uncles were all in WWII and fought valiantly. I was shocked when the Airborne Regiment was disbanded because of a few bad apples during the nineties.

I would love to see the conservatives gain power in Canada, then I might retire there.
 
ttlpkg said:
What is the mission of JTF2?
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They're a highly secretive special forces group. The government doesn't really talk about their missions, but they were responsaible for rounding up some of the guys now in Cuba. As far as I know, they're still in Afghanistan.
 
ttlpkg said:
Are they based in Petawawa like the Airborne was?
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Nope, they have their own little base near Ottawa.

A common misconception is that most of their ranks is made up of ex-airborne....it isn't. There aren't that many true airborne bro's still in anymore. They do, however, use almost all Canadian base training areas for excersises etc.
 
guards said:


A common misconception is that most of their ranks is made up of ex-airborne....it isn't. There aren't that many true airborne bro's still in anymore.
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That'll teach me not to believe the GD CBC again.:freak:
 
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Fonz said:


The Canadian Health Care system is very, very good. (OHIP)

Its one of the things i most liked about Canada.

Eliminating it is a BAD idea.

Fonz
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Actually, OHIP is the provincial health care for Ontario (Ontario Health Insurance Plan).

There are two levels of healthcare in canada....federal, which provides medical necesities and provincial which may or may not cover lesser procedures and scripts of percentages of scripts.


Personnally i would rather have privatized health care.....we'd have better doctors, no waiting, and less people whining all teh fucking time.


It is not uncommon in Canada for every damn person and their whinny uncle to head to the emergency room for things such as nosebleeds and minor scrapes and bruises. Our system has become so overburdened because of the abuse the ignorant masses have put on it.
 
Fonz said:


The Canadian Health Care system is very, very good. (OHIP)

Its one of the things i most liked about Canada.

Eliminating it is a BAD idea.

Fonz
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Actually, OHIP is the provincial health care for Ontario (Ontario Health Insurance Plan).

There are two levels of healthcare in canada....federal, which provides medical necesities, and provincial which may or may not cover lesser procedures and scripts of percentages of scripts.


Personnally i would rather have privatized health care.....we'd have better doctors, no waiting, and less people whining all teh fucking time.


It is not uncommon in Canada for every damn person and their whinny uncle to head to the emergency room for things such as nosebleeds and minor scrapes and bruises. Our system has become so overburdened because of the abuse the ignorant masses have put on it.
 
UpperTone said:


That'll teach not to believe the GD CBC again.:freak:
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The CBC is crap......just as bad, if not worse, than CNN.

The only news I remotely trust is the BBC....and they are notoriious for BS.


UT, what part of the maritimes are you from? NB here:)
 
guards said:



UT, what part of the maritimes are you from? NB here:)
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Charlottetown.

I wouldn't count on a private health system giving those things you think. The US system is pretty much a mess right now. Neither system is perfect. In speaking with American Dr.'s and the BS they go through, I'll take what we have now. Can you imagine the hissy fit a Canadian would throw if they had to (for instance) go from Moncton to Halifax to have a baby. That sort of thing is happening right now in the US. Geez, people on this island "can't" travel from Summerside to Ch'Town. Hence a new hospital being built in S'Side. *sigh*

You're right about the abuse though. I think a simple fee of $10 would get the flu & nosebleeds out of the emerg. When medicare was first started, there was a small cost per Dr.'s visit. It should be brought back.
 
Quebec's Separatists Rally for a Spring Election
Reuters ^ | 02/01/03 | Marianne White

TROIS-RIVIERES, Quebec (Reuters) - Members of the separatist Parti Quebecois gathered on Saturday to prepare their platform for the upcoming provincial election, vowing to press ahead with a possibly controversial work and family plan.

The Parti Quebecois government of Premier Bernard Landry, who wants to take Quebec outside of Canada, can legally remain in power until November 2003, but the election is increasingly seen as being held before June.

The party is overjoyed by recent gains in the polls that place it first in French-speaking voters intentions and second in overall support in Quebec. The separatist party went from only 21 percent support last summer to 32 percent in the latest poll.

The federalist Quebec Liberal Party is currently leading polls with a stable 36 percent of voters intentions and the right-wing Action Democratique du Quebec is relapsing in third place with 31 percent, down from 40 percent six months ago.

The fight between the three main political parties in Quebec will be really tight and pollers are starting to consider the election of the province's first minority government.

"A few months ago, our opponents had taken us for dead, and now, polls show that we could well be reelected," Landry told a cheering crowd of some 400 militants gathered in Trois-Rivieres, some 100 km southwest of Quebec City.

If the Parti Quebecois was to win the next election, it would become the first party in 50 years to win a third straight mandate in Quebec.

"The polls are very encouraging but we have to continue to work hard, " said Finance minister Pauline Marois.

Parti Quebecois organizers claim that they will be ready to hit the road in March or April, but they have to raise more than C$5 million by then.

"I am ready to fight hard for separation and for this nation. It's time to gear up for the battle," Landry said.

He told delegates to build the electoral campaign around their new work and family reconciliation plan. The ruling party is thinking of letting young parents work four days a week instead of five while their children are young. The workers would not be paid for the day off, but companies would be forced to let them go.

The employers are already opposing the idea, but Landry said his mind was already set.

"Quebec is one of the best place in the world to invest and we want to make it one of the best place to have children and raise a family," he said.
 
manny78 said:


It's a matter of philosophy. In the 50's/60's (the golden age of the canadian army) we had an aircraft carrier, 100 000 troops and over, at least 5-6 bases in Europe, nukes. We had a more interventionist attitude so the reason for a big army. Now the Canadian army closed all its bases in Europe. There's no direct threat.

Just give me one reason to have 100 000 soldiers again ?
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NO NO we call that the LIBERALS with TRUDEAU!!!!! :mad:
 
UpperTone said:
ttlpkg, the unemployment rate in Canada is 7.5%. Higher than the US, but not by much.

Most of the Airborne are now JTF2.
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only 15% of the CAR cdo's qualified
 
ttlpkg said:
What is the mission of JTF2?
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Drive expensive SUV around Ottawa, Montreal, Kingston and Toronto.

Open dog farms in texas and use sat/secured phone for business.

shooting of pumpkins of mr. Maythew

running accross DH and stop the traffic for 10min because the DS need to goves the worms push ups

Piss off the Prime Minister

Give nice parties with selected individuals where flash bang and double tapping sessions are a must to demonstrate their abilities.

GIVE A SUBJECT of reporting to Ottawa's Sun journalist Pugliesse something to write about and bitch.

Give Nolan and Scott Taylor something to bitch about and remember how much hatred soldiers had against them.

Wearing cool black and blue uniforms with mp5 in SUV accross town.

getting bored like HELL BECAUSE THE PLACE SUCKS!!!!!!!!!

AND NO SUFFIELD NOOOOOO NOOOOOOO NOOOO PLEASE NOOOOOOOO

322 out:bawling:
 
3Vandoo said:


Drive expensive SUV around Ottawa, Montreal, Kingston and Toronto.

Open dog farms in texas and use sat/secured phone for business.

shooting of pumpkins of mr. Maythew

running accross DH and stop the traffic for 10min because the DS need to goves the worms push ups

Piss off the Prime Minister

Give nice parties with selected individuals where flash bang and double tapping sessions are a must to demonstrate their abilities.

GIVE A SUBJECT of reporting to Ottawa's Sun journalist Pugliesse something to write about and bitch.

Give Nolan and Scott Taylor something to bitch about and remember how much hatred soldiers had against them.

Wearing cool black and blue uniforms with mp5 in SUV accross town.

getting bored like HELL BECAUSE THE PLACE SUCKS!!!!!!!!!

AND NO SUFFIELD NOOOOOO NOOOOOOO NOOOO PLEASE NOOOOOOOO

322 out:bawling:
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I figured the pumpkin patch was getting a little smaller....LOL
 
guards said:


Personnally i would rather have privatized health care.....we'd have better doctors, no waiting, and less people whining all teh fucking time.


It is not uncommon in Canada for every damn person and their whinny uncle to head to the emergency room for things such as nosebleeds and minor scrapes and bruises. Our system has become so overburdened because of the abuse the ignorant masses have put on it.
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I know many Canadians who can afford it go to the US and pay out-of-pocket for critical medical care.
 
ttlpkg said:


I know many Canadians who can afford it go to the US and pay out-of-pocket for critical medical care.
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I pay an extra fee with Blue Cross, so if anything happens, I'll be sent to a Vermont clinic/hospital. No way in hell I'll go to a third world hospital.
 
manny78 said:


I pay an extra fee with Blue Cross, so if anything happens, I'll be sent to a Vermont clinic/hospital. No way in hell I'll go to a third world hospital.
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are they really that bad?

i know some people who moved here from india, and they said the hospitals there are deplorable. they said you have to bribe the nurses and doctors just to service you, and you need to bribe them anymore if you dont want them using used syringes and such.
 
p0ink said:


are they really that bad?

i know some people who moved here from india, and they said the hospitals there are deplorable. they said you have to bribe the nurses and doctors just to service you, and you need to bribe them anymore if you dont want them using used syringes and such.
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not at this point but usually in order to get a surgery, there's always a waiting list. For example my mom had a thyroid cancer and she had to wait 5 months. No joke. That's when I realize this whole place was a mess and took a special insurance with the Blue Cross. Now having a major health problem I'd be shipped in less than 48 hours and get my surgery in about 3-4 days max.
 
p0ink said:


are they really that bad?
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From what I understand the routine care is fine, but finding a doctor and wading throught the bureracracy is painful. Like someone said earlier, when healthcare is "free", people go to see the doctor when they get a case of the sniffles.

It is the highly-specialized, technology intensive, care that requires the best doctors and facilities that suffer because frankly it needs the support of a profit motive and competition that isn't there.

The most talented doctors and researchers go where they can earn what they are worth. The capitalistic US of A.
 
3Vandoo said:



they will be gone we are taking Maythew land soon enought to expand the facilities. :(
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I was reading about that in the Ottawa Citizen not too long ago.....the poor farmer just wants to grow pumpkins!! lol

Why didn't they take the field across the road? The one behind the barracks?
 
guards said:


I was reading about that in the Ottawa Citizen not too long ago.....the poor farmer just wants to grow pumpkins!! lol

Why didn't they take the field across the road? The one behind the barracks?
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What barrack?

rest is DND property, other is Maythew

rest is a residential area, and go on its the boring village.

if you reffering the land in front of the main entry?
 
3Vandoo said:


What barrack?

rest is DND property, other is Maythew

rest is a residential area, and go on its the boring village.

if you reffering the land in front of the main entry?
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Right across from the main gate.....stand at main gate and look away from it, you'll see a row house/shack across the street. Why didn't they go after the land behind it? It's all wooded etc. Or the land down by the salmon farm on D.Hill Road.


Richmond isn't boring....lol....RICHMOND FAIR! lol Maybe you guys should enter the pumpkin carving contest! hehe
 
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