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Unemployment benefits???

gymtime

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In California, you can max out at $330 per week. New York, $405 per week. In Washington State (where I'm from), you can claim up to $469 per week. But in little old Arizona (where I live now), I can bring home a whopping $205 per week......TOPS!!! :mad: What the fuck is that??? Doesn't even come close to covering the mortgage!!!

I've never needed to claim unemployment. And as yet I don't need it, but that could change. $205/wk...what a joke.
 
vinylgroover said:
Is it possible that the indexed cost of living in those other states is more than Arizona?

I thought about that. But then why would NY and CA be so far below WA State? And why such a huge disparity between WA and AZ where cost of living is much more comparable?

I am sorely vexed.
 
Unemployment is a crock anyway. Give us BACK the taxes we pay for it, and let us save money ourselfs. Don't need the govt doing it for me.
 
DICK_IN_ASS_TIMOTHY said:
Unemployment is a crock anyway. Give us BACK the taxes we pay for it, and let us save money ourselfs. Don't need the govt doing it for me.


You don't pay taxes for unemployment compensation, your emplyer does.
 
I make 204 a week...and I opted to have 10% taken out for taxes...can't live on that.

B True
 
big4life said:



You don't pay taxes for unemployment compensation, your emplyer does.

Fine have them pay ME instead of Uncle Sam
 
Right now, I am thankful for the little that I do get.

B True
 
gymtime said:
In California, you can max out at $330 per week. New York, $405 per week. In Washington State (where I'm from), you can claim up to $469 per week. But in little old Arizona (where I live now), I can bring home a whopping $205 per week......TOPS!!! :mad: What the fuck is that??? Doesn't even come close to covering the mortgage!!!

I've never needed to claim unemployment. And as yet I don't need it, but that could change. $205/wk...what a joke.

wow....in my state it maxes out at SIGNIFICANTLY more than that. Maybe it's based on the cost of living in the area? :confused:
 
DICK_IN_ASS_TIMOTHY said:


Fine have them pay ME instead of Uncle Sam

The reality of business cycles is that there are recessions where people who would genuinely do any sort of work simply cannot find any. You may use the money for private unemployment insurance or otherwise make savings provisions for the unexpected. But the fact is that plenty of people wouldn't. Do I hear you say: "the consequences of that are their personal responsibility"?

Well the reality is that unlike in the fantasy world of libertarian political theory, not all of them would go quietly into some corner and rot, but would impose the consequences of their lack of personal responsibility on others by bludging off charity and the goodwill of strangers, friends, or (at best) family. They may even fill their pockets with the proceeds of criminal activity. In short they'll become the dependency "parasites" who haven't paid their own way which right-wingers and libertarians so often complain about.
 
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The audience loved me and they know it. They will come begging.


circusgirl said:
is Seattle expensive then?

Yes, but not really. Not compared to Northern California or New York.
 
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polarpixie said:


Yes, but not really. Not compared to Northern California or New York.


DOH!!!

No wonder I can't find you, I have been looking in trees on the wrong coast.:( :bawling: :bawling:
 
big4life said:
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DOH!!!

No wonder I can't find you, I have been looking in trees on the wrong coast.:( :bawling: :bawling:

;) Yes Bigs, I am on the other coast, I don't know for how much longer tho!

:jack1:
 
polarpixie said:


;) Yes Bigs, I am on the other coast, I don't know for how much longer tho!

:jack1:


If you want to head back east I have some huge oak trees, with lots of room for your tree house.:angel:




You might have to fight the squirrels for a place, though.;)
 
big4life said:



If you want to head back east I have some huge oak trees, with lots of room for your tree house.:angel:


You might have to fight the squirrels for a place, though.;)

That's very sweet! That's what I love about my treehouse, so very portable. Hehe. The squirrels can live with me, as long they don't throw acorns and nuts everywhere.
 
SmegmaSoldier

Companies would not give back shit if they didn't have to pay taxes. What dream world do you live in? As for your asinine comment about leaching off of others, I would be willing to bet you haven't paid 1/50 the amount of taxes I have. So if I ever did need unemployment I really don’t think your McDonalds paycheck means all that much to me. Get off your soapbox and try living a little life first. That always helps to in the maturation process.


dex
 
Re: Re: Unemployment benefits???

SmegmaSoldier said:


awww what a shame that you cant earn more than 205 a week for doing nothing. how about getting a fucking job and not being a burden on the people who work for a living.

Thanks...I REALLY needed that. Put yourself in my shoes...really..do that. Take an entire county of 30,000 population and 10,000 students. Lets get rid of about 2,000 jobs that all pay 10-25 an hour plus benefits in this tiny community...and then start searching for a job. Maybe you ARE better than I am...and posts like yours really make me feel that way.

B True
 
Gymtime,

Most people don't understand how unemployment works... and how to best max your payments. You are entitled to file your claim in your former state if your benefits there haven't expired.

How long ago did you move? I think you have 18 months for expiration of a former state claim... but it may be longer.

Also, little known secret of collecting unemployment (even if you quit and pissed on your bosses desk on the way out) - simply appeal a denial three times and they give it to you.
 
First off I am Voodoo's Husband so I am a man

Second, what in the hell does being a woman have to do with understanding Unemployment?

Third I own two successful businesses and have been the operations manager at several others, therefor I feel qualified to "assume" what business would do.

So just what are your qualifications, you must have many to be so opinionated.

dex

BTW "Household savings ratios vary widely between countries. For example, in 1995 net household savings were 4.7% of household disposable income in the US and 13.4% in Japan. There are a number of reasons for this."

This number has been now dropped to under 2% and is expected to go below 1% next year in the US. Now try and tell me that the good citizens of this country would save their money. In fact ask your friends what they did with their income tax refund. If you get anyone to say they saved it I would be very surprised. People in this county DO NOT SAVE MONEY as a norm.
 
How much money do you have saved wise guy? How many weeks could you go without income? I would bet its not very long. I am begining to think you just speak to hear your own voice.


dex
 
Well...someday when you lose your high paying job (I am assuming you make a killing...) I hope that you don't get a dime and have to find a way to pay your bills as well as to support your family.

No...nevermind...I hope that you are blessed with Unemployment just as I have been.

B True
 
SmegmaSoldier said:


thanks. im sure ill be fine. i cant blame anyone who collects unemployment because they may as well since our government has wasted our tax money on it. they just need to stop collecting taxes for it and then eliminate it.

When you are down and out...and out of a job...I hope that you go to Taco Bell and seek an application because you need the money. I hope that you have to suck up your pride and walk into McDonald's and ask for an application...after you leave the local Grocery Store.

You think that collecting Unemployment is sucking someone dry? You think that Unemployment doesn't allow for people to get back on their feet again? Think again. I don't guess that you were affected by NAFTA or the Sept. 11th attacks then huh? I don't guess that you lost your job over that huh?

Tell a Father and Wife of 3 children who can barely make ends meet while they work 40+ hours a week each that when they get laid off they must find work somewhere else immediately or move out of their home. That they must find a way to put food in their children's mouth.

Maybe you make six figures a year...but I don't. Not a lot of people do, especially where I live. The average income in my town is less than 20k a year. Most of us live pay check to pay check...we pay our bills as best as we can on the money that we have. We CAN'T save money because after we provide for our family there is NOTHING left. Congrats to you if you are filthy rich and well set...congrats. But to the majority of the hard-working citizens of this Nation...we are glad that Uncle Sam provides this opportunity for us.

B True
 
Wait...you don't have an email addy or any information about yourself posted...

Forgot that you can't debate real life situations with everyone...
 
Mooching? Hmmmm...ok...if you believe that then so be it. You do realize that if I don't take my unemployment money...it just goes away...right???

Communist? Funny guy/girl you are.

I tell you what...you just go ahead and move the backwoods of Kentucky (where I live) for a while and have a ball. When you get laid off and don't have a dime...I'll hand you a lawn mower, weed eater, and a shovel and you can work for cash. Better yet...you can always work in tobacco and WISH that you were man/woman enough to go collect your Unemployment benefits...

Forgot...trolls are back.

B True
 
b fold-what type of education do you have? i do support unemployment just incase your are wondering.
 
SmegmaSoldier said:


like i said before, you may as well take it since the taxpayers have already been forced to pay it.

why would i want to move to the backwoods of kentucky and mow lawns or work in tobacco? listen, i do not have any sympathy for people who are less fortunate than i am. they just have to play the hand they were dealt and live with it. i dont have to experience their hardships and i dont feel sorry for that. maybe they should be angry at their parents for not providing them with a quality education and a home where they could get better jobs. dont be angry at the people who are successful purely out of jealousy. america isnt socialist or communist. it does have some socialist programs that need to be eliminated though. your townspeople would benefit in the long run without them.

Last time I checked...my Unemployment was a savings from what my employer paid to over the last year. I don't think that it cost you or anyone else in Kentucky a dime...

Till you feel hardship...why would you want to talk about it? Till you have walked in a man's shoes...you don't know what it is like.

B True
 
CAGED whiteman said:
b fold-what type of education do you have? i do support unemployment just incase your are wondering.

I was scheduled to take Summer School classes this Summer and graduate in the Fall with my B.S. in Organizational Communications. I did not have the money to pay for school this Summer and was given a full ride scholarship that lasts 2 full years (summer's included) starting in August...so I may stick around and go longer.

B True
 
b fold the truth said:


I was scheduled to take Summer School classes this Summer and graduate in the Fall with my B.S. in Organizational Communications. I did not have the money to pay for school this Summer and was given a full ride scholarship that lasts 2 full years (summer's included) starting in August...so I may stick around and go longer.

B True

that sucks...you should move to another area that offers more and better jobs.
 
I will graduate and do my best to earn my Pro Card this October as well as to seek a few sponsors... When I graduate...hopefully I can be more of a benefit to society...

B True
 
b fold the truth said:
I will graduate and do my best to earn my Pro Card this October as well as to seek a few sponsors... When I graduate...hopefully I can be more of a benefit to society...

B True

i didnt say you were a burden to society, i just think that the backwoods of kentucky wont offer much in the way of jobs.
 
Re: Re: Unemployment benefits???

SmegmaSoldier said:


awww what a shame that you cant earn more than 205 a week for doing nothing. how about getting a fucking job and not being a burden on the people who work for a living.

At what point did I say I was out of a job?
 
SmegmaSoldier said:


good, because now your fuckin worthless!!

Now that's funny. If you somehow came up with the balls to open your dumbass mouth to btrue in person, you'd be pissing yourself by now. So come getcha some little one.
 
CAGED whiteman said:


i didnt say you were a burden to society, i just think that the backwoods of kentucky wont offer much in the way of jobs.

I didn't take it that way either...and I agree with you.

B True
 
gymtime said:


Now that's funny. If you somehow came up with the balls to open your dumbass mouth to btrue in person, you'd be pissing yourself by now. So come getcha some little one.

Naaa...it is ok. I feel pretty worthless at the moment anyway. I'm not pround I am on unemployment at all...but I am.

I figure any person who is man enough to say things like that to my face...deserves not to be killed. I'm not a violent man anyway...but have offered to put on some boxing/Martial Arts gloves from time to time....lol.

B True
 
Just found out. $224 in Virginia, $250 in Maryland and $359 in D.C. :confused:

That's a chump change compared to the cost of living in these areas, especially in D.C.
 
b fold the truth said:


Naaa...it is ok. I feel pretty worthless at the moment anyway. I'm not pround I am on unemployment at all...but I am.

I figure any person who is man enough to say things like that to my face...deserves not to be killed. I'm not a violent man anyway...but have offered to put on some boxing/Martial Arts gloves from time to time....lol.

B True

Maybe roughed up a little bit then???

Goddammit btrue!! You're too fucking nice a guy sometimes!! I swear if you weren't so damn big I'd.....well I'd........write you a strongly worded letter!!!.....(no return address of course)

Unemployment isn't charity and it isn't a burden on anyone. It's there for a reason and is available to those who work the majority of their adult lives. Hell, who among us remains constantly employed? You think SS will never need it? Think again. Anyone that ignorant of how taxes, wages, and life in general works will need more government assistance than you or I could ever dream of.
 
SmegmaSoldier

Your an arrogant child who I am beginning to think hasn't even graduated from high school yet. You haven't lived therefore your opinion is fucking worthless. Try walking a step in someone else’s shoes, I promise that you would feel differently once you did. You really need to do some research into history and find out what life was like when unemployment, SSI, welfare did not exist. Hell with your attitude child labor should be ok because, well they are poor and someone has to do the work. Quite being a jackass for the sake of getting some attention, you just sound foolish
Smegma, do you even have a Job?
 
You don't even have a job do you?
Dude if you think this country was just fine before FDR brought into existence the programs you seem to have so many problems with you are sorely in need of some history lessons.
Go ask you Grandparents or Great-grandparent if you want to know what life was like during the great depression. The programs you bash so strongly are to be created with saving countless lives over the last 60 years. It’s really a shame you are so locked into a mindset at such a young age.
To live is to learn, I have no personal beef with you but I do have a problem with the way you express yourself. A man who has just lost his job certainly does not need to be called a leach, especially from someone with no blood to donate.

dex
 
At 16 I thought I knew it all too. Just wait till you have things like bills, mortgage, vehicle, insurance, college, family, etc...to pay for...

B True
 
Don't guess that you have children either huh...

If everyone should be able to be self sufficient...then you mean for a 5 year old boy too. His family has no money...or his parents are murdered...just pin a $20 bill to his collar and wish him the best of luck. Wait...you wouldn't have given him the 20 either...

B True
 
Yeah...you are a troll. You said nothing about adults...you just said that people should be self sufficient and not rely on the government for survival.

You now say that it is different for children? What about someone who has children...? Is that different???

Nope...I am 24...not 5. You got your liscense yet?

B True
 
DMV

Can't wait till you grow up.

B True
 
SmegmaSoldier said:


you dont even know why you think the way you do. your odds of climbing above your 20k backwoods kentucky town are slim to none kiddo.


Exactly where do you fall on the totem poll of success.....kiddo?
 
SmegmaSoldier said:


you dont even know why you think the way you do. your odds of climbing above your 20k backwoods kentucky town are slim to none kiddo.

Thanks...:lmao:

You don't have to believe in me, and that is ok. Don't guess anyone has to but me. People similar to yourself have been putting me down for years. You have no idea what I have gone through just to be alive...when I was told that I was gonna stay down. People told me I would always be skinny too...lol.

Someday I'll take the tractor to town and get me one of them kawllage degrees...someday.

B True
 
SmegmaSoldier said:


complete and total failure. it doesnt change my opinions on this issue. i dont see why this has to turn to personal attacks instead of just arguing the issue but i can dish out the personal attacks also if thats where this is gonna go.


Nothing about personal attacks was stated in my post but I am sitting here watching you attack b fold personally like a buzzsaw. So, if that's where YOU want to take it then so be it.
 
I am taking the point of view of someone who has lost their job in a community where they can NOT find another one to replace it at the moment. I am taking the point of view of someone who needs their unemployment benefits at the time being...

B True
 
SmegmaSoldier said:


dont make it like i started the personal garbage. id say voodoo started it and b fold joined in. then i gave a personal shot of my own. i dont mind it but i just was trying to stick to the issue instead.

b fold is basically taking a liberal point of view and im taking the conservative. it isnt necessary to attack me personally because there are many others that think the socialist programs are wrong and should be eliminated. im not alone in this belief.

Again, I wasn't attacking you, I was just amused by your stance on this issue and why you were thrashing b fold about his points. I'm a very conservative person who happens to be an employer and have been for the last 22 years.
I have a lot of employees and I pay State and Federal unemployment taxes every quarter. In fact, I have to pay the second quarter by the end of July.

The problem with most employees is they don't realize they pay no part of unemployment taxes. The government issues me a rate every so often after they review my files to see if I have a high turnover rate. Fortunately, I don't have a high turnover rate of employees and usually the ones who quit or get fired had it coming in the first place. My CPA takes care of all that but I do remember a little bit about the tax back in the days I couldn't afford a CPA to keep me straight. I have ex-employees who would work the needed time and then quit so they could draw unemployment. Those are the people who should be denied benefits.

If there is a cutback or layoff, then I believe it would be only fair for those employees to draw benefits. Life is not fair. Sometimes people need help. It's the examiners who are too lenient on individuals who sap the system dry because of their ineptness.

Just because b fold is entitled to draw a certain amount from his employer doesn't mean he is any less of a man. I would give my left nut to have b fold work for me. The guy is as honest as the day is long and you can tell that just by what he says on these boards. I hope you don't think that b fold is not humiliated by drawing unemployment because I am sure he is. It's not something he wants to do but something he has to do in order to survive. Think about that the next time you fall into this category.
 
The problem with most employees is they don't realize they pay no part of unemployment taxes.
Actually they do, albeit indirectly. If you were freed of the burden of unemployment taxes, you might be more inclinced to pay them more. And if not, then you, or someone else, would surely drop your prices for competitive reasons (consequently making the same profit margin) - which everyone would benefit from. Simple economics, SOMEONE is paying for unemployment taxes, and employers aren't shouldering the whole burden. They are passing it on to the consumers, like they do almost everything else. Put it this way, increase unemployment taxes by 50 times. Do prices go up, or stay the same?

Anyway what kind of business are you in? :)
 
Anyway folks, here is my view on unemployment. I think it is a needless intrusion of government into our lives. If no employer had to pay unemployment taxes, prices would drop - that's how economics works, employers are satisfied with a certain profit margin and it will rise or fall to that value by itself. Barring a monopoly of course.

So, I think unemployment is bad. Get rid of it and things will become marginally cheaper. Once they become cheaper, people will be able to save more and plan for their own unemployment contingencies.

That's how it should be, private individuals pay for their own rough spots. I realize a need for welfare in this country, but unemployment should really be a matter of personal savings.

But, that will never happen.

Know why? People spend what they have. That's why you have people making $40,000 who barely make ends meet just the same as you have people making $12,000 who barely make ends meet. People spend what they have. Give people an extra $100 a week in savings from cheaper purchases and they will find a way to spend it, or spend part of it at least. Think about it, how much do you make? Why are you living like you do instead of living like a guy making $25k would? You like nice things? You enjoy your house? Well shit. That comes from spending.

So due to the fact that most people won't save enough for their own unemployment, the government steps in and "saves" for them - in a completely unfair manner, of course. The unfairness being, I still pay higher prices (due to the unemployment taxes) and even if I am never unemployed, or if I save for my own unemployment, I still pay these taxes.

That's the inherent unfairness in a socialized system - you pay for what you don't use.

Now as I said, I realize that welfare is necessary, for people who have NO money and NO possibility of getting any, and who can't reduce their means any more because they are already at rock bottom. These people should not starve. But (and I'm going to "pick on" b fold even though I think he's a great guy and I respect him a lot), people like b fold aren't rock bottom. He could sell his weightlifting stuff, he could stop eating like a weightlifter, he could sell his car/truck and ride a bike, he could take down his internet site, etc. I.e. his lifestyle still has a bunch of room to give. That's the kind of person I think the government doesn't need to be watching out for. (edit: I should note, I've taken unemployment before - hell, I paid for it (indirectly) I may as well use it. And my lifestyle had a lot to give as well. Coulda moved to a cheaper apartment. Coulda stopped eating out. Could cut off my DSL line. I was not a person the govt should have been paying, either)

So to sum up, if you are on unemployment NOW, no, I do not want to take away your check... What I want to happen is:

1) Government sets a date about 3-5 yrs down the line and says "no more unemployment checks after this date". (call it date X)
2) Unemployment taxes stop in the months before date X, and prices start to drop.
3) People, IDEALLY, start saving.
4) The people who are in the crunch, who have not yet had time between the prices dropping and unemployment ending, to save, will have to cut their lifestyles down to a more manageable level.

NO, I don't think people who draw unemployment are "losers" or "lazy".
NO, I do not want 5 year old orphans to go hungry.

What I want is for people to pay for what they use - and since there is no fair way to do that in the current system, the current system should be changed to accomodate private investment for unemployment. Also, doubtless, unemployment insurance companies where you can buy it privately, will triple in number...

Anyway what do you think of my plan? :)
 
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DICK_IN_ASS_TIMOTHY said:

Actually they do, albeit indirectly. If you were freed of the burden of unemployment taxes, you might be more inclinced to pay them more. And if not, then you, or someone else, would surely drop your prices for competitive reasons (consequently making the same profit margin) - which everyone would benefit from. Simple economics, SOMEONE is paying for unemployment taxes, and employers aren't shouldering the whole burden. They are passing it on to the consumers, like they do almost everything else. Put it this way, increase unemployment taxes by 50 times. Do prices go up, or stay the same?

You can say that on just about any tax out there. All taxes are revenue enhancers and I like the way the government can invent words to disguise taxes. We are all burdened by them and you are right in that it is simple economics but it seems the government makes everything too difficult to comprehend all of them. That's why I have a CPA to keep me on the right side of the law.

I hear people very often complain about not receiving benefits and that they deserve it because they paid in through their payroll deductions. That's a simple mistake because so much tax is taken out of payroll. Along with unemployment tax that is paid by employers, FICA is matched by the employer. Now, can you say that the employee actually paid twice for FICA? No, it's part of the cost of doing business and having employees. Employers are required to spend an awful lot on paperwork regarding reporting these things. The government will fine you if you have a social security number wrong on a form. They will fine you if you don't have everything in line to their liking, hence a CPA is required and they are not cheap by any means.

I could go on and on about the difficulties of being self-employed and paying taxes. It's a wonder a small business person can stay in business and most do not. I'm actually semi-retired and spend most of my time just checking things regarding my business and keeping in touch with secretaries and supervisors. The rest of my time, I spend with me family. Out of respect for your question, I would rather not say what I do because I am a very private person who doesn't like to get into revealing a lot about myself. It's just me and I have always been that way, sorry. I guess living in a small town has done that to me.:)
 
HumorMe said:


You can say that on just about any tax out there. All taxes are revenue enhancers and I like the way the government can invent words to disguise taxes. We are all burdened by them and you are right in that it is simple economics but it seems the government makes everything too difficult to comprehend all of them. That's why I have a CPA to keep me on the right side of the law.

I hear people very often complain about not receiving benefits and that they deserve it because they paid in through their payroll deductions. That's a simple mistake because so much tax is taken out of payroll. Along with unemployment tax that is paid by employers, FICA is matched by the employer. Now, can you say that the employee actually paid twice for FICA? No, it's part of the cost of doing business and having employees. Employers are required to spend an awful lot on paperwork regarding reporting these things. The government will fine you if you have a social security number wrong on a form. They will fine you if you don't have everything in line to their liking, hence a CPA is required and they are not cheap by any means.

I could go on and on about the difficulties of being self-employed and paying taxes. It's a wonder a small business person can stay in business and most do not. I'm actually semi-retired and spend most of my time just checking things regarding my business and keeping in touch with secretaries and supervisors. The rest of my time, I spend with me family. Out of respect for your question, I would rather not say what I do because I am a very private person who doesn't like to get into revealing a lot about myself. It's just me and I have always been that way, sorry. I guess living in a small town has done that to me.:)

I agree completely HumorMe. My father's in business for himself and I remember the early years when I was a young child, figuring out the bureaucracy while struggling to make a name for himself. Now it is fine because he is doing well and can hire a CPA (like yourself I suppose) but I agree 100% that there're too many needless regulations, regulations that don't hurt a big business much, but can wreak havoc on a mom-and-pop-who-are-great-at-what-they-do-but-don't-know-jack-about-law operation. As you said, unemployment taxes are just one facet of this problem. I focused on them here because that's what the thread is about, but I agree, there are many more problems like them or bigger.

Read my previous post (the long one) and tell me what you think?
 
DICK_IN_ASS_TIMOTHY said:
That's how it should be,


But, that will never happen.


Anyway what do you think of my plan? :)


I think out all of what you just posted, those are the key words.

I don't know if individual private unemployment insurance would work or not. It all looks good on paper but people are too short-sighted to see that far down the road. We live for the moment and in today's job market, the premium probably wouldn't be affordable to the blue collar workers.
 
I may be a loser...but I am still entitled to draw the money that I put in. I lost my job with 5 days notice. I lost a job that BARELY allowed me to get by in the first place...with 5 days notice..and after more than a years worth of time put in.

My business is in the midst of being back up and running and I was given a full ride scholarship starting in August. My Unemployment will be given to me through December and from there I will be given another scholarship on top of that.

Maybe I am a loser...maybe I don't deserve it...but the money is there and it was put aside for me. If I do not take it...it will not go to someone else more needy...

B True
 
HumorMe said:



I think out all of what you just posted, those are the key words.

I don't know if individual private unemployment insurance would work or not. It all looks good on paper but people are too short-sighted to see that far down the road. We live for the moment and in today's job market, the premium probably wouldn't be affordable to the blue collar workers.

No one ever said I was realistic :)

I think if government unemployment insurance were removed, and therefore by proxy individual private insurance were the only way to get unemployment compensation, it would actually work decently. Some people would get burned...hard. But culturally we would come to acknowledge that either you purchase the insurance, you save, or you bite the bullet when you're laid off. I think it would greatly add to the sense of responsibility one feels for their welfare. I tell ya, I've worked in places where I got my hourly and that was it - and I paid for medical, dental, etc, out of my own pocket. And in my current job I just get all those benefits along with my salary. It's almost scary right now, how these things just kind of "occur" and I have no actual thought of paying out the money for my health care (even though I am, in the form of a lower wage in favor of medical insurance).

I guess what I am trying to say is, I'd almost rather prefer that I get all my compensation in cold hard cash - and let me invest and buy the insurance I desire.

Oh well...*goes to tilt at more windmills*
 
b fold the truth said:
I may be a loser...but I am still entitled to draw the money that I put in. I lost my job with 5 days notice. I lost a job that BARELY allowed me to get by in the first place...with 5 days notice..and after more than a years worth of time put in.

My business is in the midst of being back up and running and I was given a full ride scholarship starting in August. My Unemployment will be given to me through December and from there I will be given another scholarship on top of that.

Maybe I am a loser...maybe I don't deserve it...but the money is there and it was put aside for me. If I do not take it...it will not go to someone else more needy...

B True
First, I hope you weren't addressing me (I do not at all think you're a loser, I have taken unemployment as well). Let me know what you think of my post (the big 'un).

I put in red the key phrase. Yes, you are 100% right. The insurance was paid for. Therefore you are completely entitled to it, and anyone who scorns you for taking it is taking a ridiculous stance.

But, the phrase in green troubles me. I don't agree in general that people who are in that situation, should be compensated. See my plan above - under that, someone in that situation would have better saved well or purchased private insurance. But of course, they would have had more money to begin with because the unemployment tax would have been eliminated.

Cheers :beer:
 
DICK_IN_ASS_TIMOTHY said:

My father's in business for himself and I remember the early years when I was a young child, figuring out the bureaucracy while struggling to make a name for himself.

:FRlol:
I have to laugh at that because my two young daughters think I don't do anything for a living. They think the money is just hanging on the trees in the backyard! :lmao: Sadly it is not though! They don't understand how daddy can come eat with them at school all the time and why other father's don't. They have often questioned me as to what I do and I jsut tell them I am a daddy. My wife is a school teacher and she only has about 10 more years until she can retire from her district and get full benefits but I have told that I would hate to lose the good insurance plans the school system offers.

The mom and pop businesses are the ones that get hit the hardest with all of the regulations. They cannot absorb the costs easier like big businesses do as you have stated but they can drive big businesses crazy by their low cost rates to perform the same services. The one cost that drives me crazier than any others is Workman's Comp. That is one cost that I dread every year because it is one lump sum and it is like throwing it out the window if you don't use it during that time. I guess it's better to be safe than sorry. I have actually in the past paid the hospital bills out of my pocket to keep that rate from skyrocketing. That sucks too!
 
DICK_IN_ASS_TIMOTHY: There is a lot of truth in what you said...I just don't like the way that it tastes.

I could cut my costs a lot...even went to the bank to see what I could do...and that is nothing. I can not sell my truck (owe too much, I know strange) and it also promotes my other business (pro dj). I must have a truck to pull my trailer.

Maybe I shouldn't be allowed to draw unemployment. I am also setting here hungry, haven't bought any new clothes in years, wear the same shoes I have for the past 2-3 years, my training equipment have all been presents from family/friends, and I compete because sponsors make it possible for me to. I have also paid for the last few years of my education out of my pocket.

There are no excuses...you are probably right.

I was/am in a time of need and was/am thankful for the Unemployment. It hurts my pride a lot to accept that check to tell you the truth. I am sorry, I just got too taken with this thread...a very touch subject with me that makes me feel low anyway...my aplogies.

B True
 
DICK_IN_ASS_TIMOTHY said:

I guess what I am trying to say is, I'd almost rather prefer that I get all my compensation in cold hard cash - and let me invest and buy the insurance I desire.

Oh well...*goes to tilt at more windmills*


What if the government did do away with unemployment compensation but with a stipulation that you would be required to prove that you have an insurance plan in place? Would that be more government intrusion into our daily lives? Probably, but the government would be hit by more welfare recipients belly aching because they let their plans lapse for whatever reasons. Listen, I am a Conservative by choice but now I am sounding more like a liberal. Unemployment benefits serve a purpose. It is not designed for a person to do it for a living. It is designed to help you survive until you can find something else. Something is better than nothing, IMO, regardless of what that amount is. Stricter policies need to be enforced so people won't try and who-do the system. The thing is, is that the policies and regulations are there but need closer supervision and better judgement made about who should get what.

There are opportunists in every walk of life. If they see a chink in the system, they will exploit it until it is corrected which could take many years.
 
Hey I'm not at all trying to take you down a notch - and I think you certainly should be getting unemployment (under the current system). In fact I don't think there's any shame in it. It was a benefit that was paid for, and you are entitled to it - you damn well better use it! Just like medical insurance, no one would ever feel ashamed for going to the doctor and using medical insurance. Or for getting government aid for school. Or a government-subsidized loan. These are all services we pay for through direct taxes and indirect ones. And so you shouldn't feel ashamed for drawing unemployment. I just think the system needs a change, is all. Not at the moment, as that would be unfair - have to give people time to prepare. Now I realize if the system changed in 5 years, say, that some other people would be left out in the cold. But at least they'll have had warning. :)

Anyway g'night all.
 
HumorMe said:



What if the government did do away with unemployment compensation but with a stipulation that you would be required to prove that you have an insurance plan in place? Would that be more government intrusion into our daily lives? Probably, but the government would be hit by more welfare recipients belly aching because they let their plans lapse for whatever reasons. Listen, I am a Conservative by choice but now I am sounding more like a liberal. Unemployment benefits serve a purpose. It is not designed for a person to do it for a living. It is designed to help you survive until you can find something else. Something is better than nothing, IMO, regardless of what that amount is. Stricter policies need to be enforced so people won't try and who-do the system. The thing is, is that the policies and regulations are there but need closer supervision and better judgement made about who should get what.

There are opportunists in every walk of life. If they see a chink in the system, they will exploit it until it is corrected which could take many years.

Well you are probably right: it's the few who do (or would) abuse the system who ruin the possibilities for the rest of us. I mean hell I live WAY below my means, to the point where my friends think something is wrong with me...but I like to have something saved for emergencies (and for a nice big trip once in a while, hehe). So if I lost my job for heck, even a year, I'd be fine. But I realize this is irregular.

I guess you'd have to couple it with welfare reform. As I said in another post, I think welfare is definitely necessary...but it should be a last resort for people who have nowhere else to turn. IMHO.

G'night all, for real this time :D
 
b fold the truth said:

I was/am in a time of need and was/am thankful for the Unemployment. It hurts my pride a lot to accept that check to tell you the truth. I am sorry, I just got too taken with this thread...a very touch subject with me that makes me feel low anyway...my aplogies.

B True

I know it must be humiliating but you have to do what you have to do. I'm sure it is a very touchy subject and one that you would like to forget. I know it won't make the highlight reel at 11 but you have to suck up your pride and be proud of who you are.

How much does it cost to be a sponser? Seriously!
 
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SmegmaSoldier said:


..... i dont see why this has to turn to personal attacks instead of just arguing the issue but i can dish out the personal attacks also if thats where this is gonna go.

:nopity:

And who is this who took the first personal shot?

SmegmaSoldier said:


good, because now your fuckin worthless!!
 
HumorMe said:


I know it must be humiliating but you have to do what you have to do. I'm sure it is a very touchy subject and one that you would like to forget. I know it won't make the highlight reel at 11 but you have to suck up your pride and be proud of who you are.

How much does it cost to be a sponser? Seriously!

Thank You, and you are right.

I am one of the top 3 favorites with win Nationals this year and earn my pro card. If I do not, and I stay amateur next year, it would cost about 3k to compete for one year. That would get me about 6 contests (4 amateur and 2 as a pro to be).

If I earn my pro card this year...it would probably cost in the range of 5k to compete (much more traveling involved). It would be nice to have a bit more to invest into clothing, equipment, and travel to support my sponsor...but I am thinking small figures at the moment.

B True
 
b fold the truth said:


Thank You, and you are right.

I am one of the top 3 favorites with win Nationals this year and earn my pro card. If I do not, and I stay amateur next year, it would cost about 3k to compete for one year. That would get me about 6 contests (4 amateur and 2 as a pro to be).

If I earn my pro card this year...it would probably cost in the range of 5k to compete (much more traveling involved). It would be nice to have a bit more to invest into clothing, equipment, and travel to support my sponsor...but I am thinking small figures at the moment.

B True


Do you have sponsors to cover the majority of your costs at the present moment? Entry fees and such?

How much wold clothing and equipment and travel cost you?

Not trying to be nosy.:)
 
I had two sponsors for my Boston contest, a small one for the STL contest and a full one for the KY contest. They paid pretty much everything.

As far as clothing...I just mean that it would cost a sponsor more for me to be wearing their logo (they would normally have me compete in a shirt with their company name on it...) so it might cost just a few more dollars. As far as equipment...my family is helping me for my birthday, but I still do not have what I need to fully train with. Would be nice to have another 3k in equipment...could probably get it less...maybe 1/2 that if I ordered all at once.

My travel and complete competition costs are probably 3k a year for 6 contests though...

B True
 
Deal...I'll shoot you my home number anytime also. Or I can get a calling card and shoot you a line...always great to talk to friends on Elite.

B True
 
b fold the truth said:
Deal...I'll shoot you my home number anytime also. Or I can get a calling card and shoot you a line...always great to talk to friends on Elite.

B True


I'll either call you or you can call me collect! Screw those calling cards! :FRlol:
 
PM sent and I'm off to bed.

B True
 
Hey smegma

You know what’s really a joke? How about when a snotty nosed high school kid calls a hard working grown man a leach because he is down on his luck and loses his job. You started to get personal long before I or anyone else did if you don't think so go back a reread your posts.

Smegma do you have a job? If not whom are you leaching from?
Come on answer me. lol

dex
 
He will get another job, but until then he will collect unemployment and keep his home, car etc.

What did you say you did for a living smegma? lol


dex
 
I see that I have a common situation with some folks. I had a really good job, until I was released in May. I have been looking for work since March, but the job market has been stagnate. I had an interview for a position, but I was declined. Since May, I have had no luck on job contacts. Finally, 4 weeks after I was released, I filed for unemployment. Unemployment is designed to ease the economic burden of individuals who are job searching. Don't get me wrong, I am an educated individual who holds a B.A. in Geography and I am currently working on an M.A. in Geography, but the job market is tight where I live. The good news is that I have a job interview next week. For people who have jobs. . . be thankful!!!! For those who are bashing unemployment benefits. . . you obviously don't understand how it works. Good luck to everyone!
 
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