Unbelievable (Ephedra banning?)...

[Pityocamptes]

I don't know if anyone else has posted a thread on this but this morning while watching CNN they had an excerpt talking about the banning of ephedra (or a least to have the FDA pull it and those supplements that contain it). They claimed some deaths associated with it. I believe that these were probably idiots who were not eating anything and just popping pills and never working out - looking for weight lose in a bottle. If taken with respect (like everything else should be) and in moderation along with a consultation with their physician I can't see anything like this happening. Pretty soon nothing will be left because of the few who abuse supplements and the like. Just felt like venting.

 

[Jacked Johnson]

Don't worry, the FDA has been threatening this for a few years. I doubt anything will ever come of it.

 

[karde]

http://www.cnn.com/2001/HEALTH/diet.fitness/09/05/ephedra.petition.ap/index.html

 

[karde]

Doesn't the pic in that CNN link look like the editor told some lacky "Hey we need a pic of some ephedra, run down to the supermarket and take one....but use our hidden camera so you don't get caught."

lol

 

[proxy]

They are right .........

I think that stuff works great for some people.But........it should be banned.

 

[proxy]

http://www.ephedrafacts.com/qa.htm

 

[chillin408]

I wish the laws would constitute more toward increasing personal responsibility, instead of constantly blaming others. If ephedra is banned, then creatine will probably later be banned too, and this will make people--in general--just less responsible, and dependent on the gov't. Look at what all the laws and regulations today have done, everyone is just blaming there problems on others, not taking responsibility, but its not all their fault since the way the system is set up, you are forced to depend on others.

If the governent's FDA were here to protect us, then they would allow supplement companies to formulate their products with pure ephedrine. I don't think that my freedom should be witheld anymore than it already is because of other people's irresponsibility. I can't wait till the day when we are forced to go nutrition counseling on a monthly basis, because we cannot make safe food chocies, and to create more jobs and make people more dependent. Theres already warnings on the ephedra bottles, so its not my fault if someone fucks up.

 

[MrOlympia2004]

FDA=Fucking Dumb Asses

 

[shaolin]

Not necessarily abuse of Ephedra

I am one of those that had an awful reaction. Bought some Ma Huang and took one capsule in the morning. Did intensive stairmaster some 9 hours later and had to quit as my I got super hot and extremely dizzy. I thought my heart was about to give out. Got off the machine and waited for 20 minutes for my heart rate to return to normal. Was very scary for a guy in great condition who does not abuse supplements.

I know my reaction was abnormal, but I took this before all the warnings and there is no way to tell ahead of time if you will have a similar reaction.

Banning is usually not the answer, however people need tpo educated as to the dangers.

BTW George, is your Phenyltropic likely to effect me in a like manner?

 

[shaolin]

Not necessarily abuse of Ephedra

I am one of those that had an awful reaction. Bought some Ma Huang and took one capsule in the morning. Did intensive stairmaster some 9 hours later and had to quit as my I got super hot and extremely dizzy. I thought my heart was about to give out. Got off the machine and waited for 20 minutes for my heart rate to return to normal. Was very scary for a guy in great condition who does not abuse supplements.

I know my reaction was abnormal, but I took this before all the warnings and there is no way to tell ahead of time if you will have a similar reaction.

Banning is usually not the answer, however people need tpo educated as to the dangers.

BTW George, is your Phenyltropic likely to effect me in a like manner?

 

[Vortex]

ephedra is safe when used as the FDA claims.. "...no more than 100mg. in a 24 hour period for not more than 12 weeks..."

"A report in the New England Journal of Medicine last November said that at least 54 deaths and about 1,000 reports of complications have been linked to the popular bodybuilding supplement since the mid-1990s. " -CNN

okay, what about the painkillers? some take it with alcohol, some takes too much, and some comit sucide with it.. and the numbers of deaths linked to painkillers are WAY highter than the ephedra!

allso, many supplements that cause serious sideeffects, can be because it's not so pure.. some stupid crap in it somewhat.. or the claimed facts are not right (many countrys laws it is an 10% precision limit), and many breaks that law..

to be safe, use popular known brands.. not some cheap crap, eg; "Creatine super hyper power" woha gatta have that,... and it's 90% pure maby.. wtf is the rest 10% then?

I blame FDA for the bad quality 'n stuff in different thingys..

just think before u buy

btw, I preffer to use Xenadrine.. quality

 

[Valdez]

The FDA is all about politics. I don't think they have much to benefit if thy ban it. The FDA loves a grey area drug that they can point to and say "that's bad" they love scapegoats. Hell they illegalized L-tryptophan because it was competing with newly created anti-depressant pharmecueticals like prozac etc. They used the japanese contaminated product as an excuse. All politics.

 

[FitFossil]

I wish the laws would constitute more toward increasing personal responsibility, instead of constantly blaming others

AMEN!!!!

People are just getting MORE stupid, because they're always expecting somebody else (e.g. the government) to look after them, whether it's on matters of money, health, raising children, or just about anything. I could go on, but I won't This is one of my biggest all time peeves.

Chillin, if you ever run for office, you've got my vote!

 

[Bozzo]

There have been less then 100 deaths from ephidrine. Out of the millions of people that use the supplement. You give anything to millions of people a few will misuse, or have a bad reaction to it. Yet things like alcohol and cigarettes which kill many thousands of people a year the FDA is not going to ban. The reason for this is a very simple one. If you use ephidrine you can lose weight with out going to a doctor, getting a scrip, and buying a drug from some huge pham company. Where as with alcohol and other legal substances you will destroy you health and end up in the hospital taking all kinds of drugs. The FDA does whatever the AMA, and phama industy wants them to do. This country is run by big business and that's the bottom line!

 

[X-Plode]

Speaking of all this talk of banning things, I'm sure some of u hv already read this at T-Mag. If you havn't, check it out.

http://www.t-mag.com/articles/172tc.html

Not a big T-Mag fan, but I thought this nailed it right on the head.

X

 

[Pityocamptes]

X-Plode

That article says it all.

 

[Neon Jungle]

Banning Ephedra...Uh, No

Anytime you ever hear of someone dying or having health problems relating to ephedra products, its always the same thing: They shouldn't have been taking it in the 1st place. Ephedrine HCl is a different story, but ephedra will never be banned because it is all natural. Granted, if someone does have any type of a heart condition, high blood pressure, thyroid problems, etc. then ephedra can complicate those conditions. But, ephedra doesn't cause any problems on it own, it only complicates existing ones.

 

[TraxZBT]

Re: Banning Ephedra...Uh, No

Anytime you ever hear of someone dying or having health problems relating to ephedra products, its always the same thing: They shouldn't have been taking it in the 1st place. Ephedrine HCl is a different story, but ephedra will never be banned because it is all natural. Granted, if someone does have any type of a heart condition, high blood pressure, thyroid problems, etc. then ephedra can complicate those conditions. But, ephedra doesn't cause any problems on it own, it only complicates existing ones.

weed is all natural.... shroomz are all natural... yet they're illegal..

 

[the_paradise_garage]

Re: They are right .........

I think that stuff works great for some people.But........it should be banned.

I'm sorry bud, but why should ephedra be banned? why should any substance be banned? i mean, so we can get it illegally at super high prices?
substance prohibition goes againts people's freedon... but that's my view...

 

[HumanShell]

With the sales of ephedrine containing products, I think users are likely to fight to keep this stuff on the shelf just as bad as dedicated somkers would fight to keep cigs on the shelf.

 

[Jacked Johnson]

Just had another death reported in the area where I live. Seems like everyone (media) is jumping on the ban ephedrine bandwagon!

 

[the_paradise_garage]

we, recreational drug users, hate media.
would steroids be considered as a recreational drug? what would roids be huh?

 

[notpuff]

guys its our fault if ephedra gets banned its jes liek roids dude we are the ppl if we remain quiet then yes ephedra will be banned im tired of this garbage docs prescribe ridalin liekcandy and thats so safe but gear isnt. its time we start speakign up i started writing letters to congressmen please all of u do the same and write to rick collins (www.steroidlaw.com) urging him to lead the fight to get roids and certain supplaments legal again c'mon we can do this . tryptophen is great as a sleep aid and muchsafer then drugs that are sleep aids