well I still dont understand why all you guys are still pumpin up ttokkyo, I have used their products, and basically I got just as good as results or actually better with tornell.............and one of my buddies took the eq and called it plain trash...............shit you guys are better just stickin to other shit, like sostenon redi-jects, the tornell deca is good, I took their dbol, and it is supposedly winstrol, hell it was pretty good though..............I think ttokkyo is all BS!