Tri-test 400, Trenbolone enanthate, Equipoise Cycle

[saran]

First off I'm 21, weighing 165 lbs and 5' 11".
This is my 2nd cycle. My last one was anadrol, test c and deca.

This is how i plan this cycle but unsure about the ratios to go with as I've heard a load of conflicting stuff.
test 400: 500mg (week 1-14)
tren e: 300mg (weeks 1-10)
eq: 400mg (weeks 1-13)

proviron: 25 mg/day (weeks 1-16)
pramipexole: .25mg/day (weeks 1-20)
HCG: 250mg twice a week during cycle
PCT-- nolva 20mg a day, clomid 50mg a day

I've heard a lot of conflicting stuff about whether to run tren higher than test or not. I want to go with the safer option to midimize sides and i like the way test makes me feel good on cycle. (no i dont want to use tren acetate so i can dump it quicker if i get sides. i dont have time to be pinning like a hedgehog)
Also, iv heard a few heads sayin that EQ needs to be run at 600 for results. Is this true? Or should test be higher than it?

 

[Soulthief]

First off you're starting AAS at too young of an age. Also, you are too small and have not built any kind of base. You should have hit it natural for a few more years. Lastly, please don't run TREN right now. If you are hell bent on running something, and will do this no matter what, just run test at 250 a week alone. I'm just glad you at least considered a PCT. I'm not bashing you, I just don't want you regretting doing this later on. I wish I would have listened more early on. Good luck.

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[Mitchvee]

Waiting for this post to blow up. Man you are too small build some natural mass for a few years. I come from being a Skinny person in 2008 I was 125lbs at 5" 10 I trained for 3 years before I thought about steroids and got up to 170+ in that time. We don;t need steroids at our age we have tonnes in us already.

 

[saran]

Thanks man appreciate the advice. I am naturally an ectomorph and been ridiculously skinny my whole life. I went up to 180lbs after my last cycle but much was water. I had a PCT of nolva and clomid after HCG buyt now i seem to be even more of a hardgainer than before i started AAS. I train 4 times a week and eat well and still am gaining more fat than I've ever had and my strength is lower than before my first cycle. So if my system is shut down already i cant see any harm in continuing to go on cycles and try to do stronger cycles so i wont lose all my gains like before.

 

[Soulthief]

I'm sorry but I am going to contradict myself. I reread your post and can't, in good continence, recommend any AAS for you right now. Go natural at your age and small size. Your first cycle was just ridiculous for a first time. You are obviously not working out hard and not eating right and think AAS is going to do all the work. It's not. Drop the pins and pick up the weights.

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[saran]

I cant seem to maintain weight let alone gain anything naturally. I take creatine malate, eat a lot, take protein shakes and was taking GHRH and GHRP6 (which did some good) but very little

 

[saran]

Why should my weight be a determining factor as to whether or not I use AAS? I can understand the concerns about my age but I have already done a cycle now and i literally am unable to make any natural gains now that my HTPA is even further below what it was (i had very low natural test to begin with). I have already bought the gear so i will be running the cycle. I respect what you are saying but I feel like its too late because I've already cycled. Why would I regret it later in life? I get bloods done and i am not using highly toxic steds like adrol anymore

 

[Soulthief]

I cant seem to maintain weight let alone gain anything naturally. I take creatine malate, eat a lot, take protein shakes and was taking GHRH and GHRP6 (which did some good) but very little

I know it sucks working hard and eating a lot and getting very slow gains. But, you are messing up your body with AAS just to keep a few pounds of muscle. So you would keep a little muscle and sacrifice never having a kid, being on HRT for life and fighting with erectile dysfunction. All starting at 21. Say it out loud and see how it sounds. You are probably shutdown as we speak and should talk to your doctor. I know this is not what you wanted to hear. Also, check out the weight lifting and dieting sections for improvement.

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[saran]

I dont see what I will regret besides maybe the short term sides of tren? I keep an eye on cholesterol, ancileries, moderate dosage, HCG throughout. I already have a baby on the way which was conceived during my last cycle so i dont need to worry about not having kids haha. no MPB in family. Money is no object and i dont care if i have to do TRT later in life

 

[Gorilla-Pharma]

Not a good idea man, I had lower natural levels at your age. I also had to get a varicocele surgury. Had a difficult time having my children...have you even thought about the fact that you may hurt your chances of having kids? I toke AAS regardless of my disposition and now am 6 months out on a PCT running everything in the son to jump start my natty production. May have to resort to TRT at 31yrs old. Please think about this and be smart. You will do whatever but I thought I would give you a real life situation.

 

[Soulthief]

I dont see what I will regret besides maybe the short term sides of tren? I keep an eye on cholesterol, ancileries, moderate dosage, HCG throughout. I already have a baby on the way which was conceived during my last cycle so i dont need to worry about not having kids haha. no MPB in family. Money is no object and i dont care if i have to do TRT later in life

Damn I must have been stubborn when I was 21. So your going to stand their, look me in the eye, with a straight face and say you don't mind pinning every week for the next 60 years. And, you don't mind fighting noodle dick. Throw money at that. Rub money all over your dick, won't help.

I hope by the time you are 40 they have invented the time machine so you can go back and kick yourself in the nuts for heading down this road.

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[saran]

My girlfriend is already having a baby in 2 months and i definately do not want any more kids! Is there any other long term implications? and will doing a 2nd cycle really hurt in the long run any more than doing just the one cycle? if i do this cycle well and make and retain decent gains then i will go natural for another few years after. I do appreciate everything ye are saying but if i am going to do this cycle i would like some advise about how to do it right with minimal long term sides. i know tren is a powerful roid that deserves respect

 

[saran]

haha ya ok the noodle dick does frighten me and my libido is already drastically down after my first cycle. pinning doesnt bother me because the benefits are worth it. why does starting steroids at 21 give limp dick any more than someone who starts at 25 though? :S i dont undersatand why 30 year old AAS users dont get impotency? why dont you have floppy problems? or do you?? haha

 

[Mitchvee]

The reason your weight is a determining factor is because of muscle maturity. If you have a solid base it is easier for your body to keep gains after a cycle because it's not such a percentage increase in mass. The body loves it's homeostasis it will do it's best to stay the same and even revert some.

 

[Gorilla-Pharma]

Who do you think you are anyways. Being a smart ass and running your mouth on this board.

 

[Soulthief]

My girlfriend is already having a baby in 2 months and i definately do not want any more kids! Is there any other long term implications? and will doing a 2nd cycle really hurt in the long run any more than doing just the one cycle? if i do this cycle well and make and retain decent gains then i will go natural for another few years after. I do appreciate everything ye are saying but if i am going to do this cycle i would like some advise about how to do it right with minimal long term sides. i know tren is a powerful roid that deserves respect

You have to first clean up the damn mess you made from the first cycle before you even talk about the second. Go into the PCT section and focus only on that for now. I know you're about to go crazy to get on another run but you will lose all those gains too. Yeah, you'll blow up on tren, but then you will lose it all because your body is not ready for that kind of growth and your workout and diet won't support the gains. GO ON A HARDCORE PCT NOW! Get blood work after. If still low, don't jump back on AAS, go see a doc. I'm still a little shocked the fear of fighting limp dick doesn't even bother you a little.

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[saran]

Sorry man didnt mean to come across as being arrogant or disrespectful. Far from it. I seriously appreciate ye even taking your time to comment back. Im just speakin my mind. Definately not making light of the surgery you had to get. Was that caused by steroid use?
Soulthief i did HCG and then clomid and nolva for PCT from my last cycle which was a few months ago. You think i should do more PCT now? What about stuff like SARMs or taking proviron or something? i really need something to give me a boost if ye really think it would cause me impotence to do a 2nd cycle

 

[Gorilla-Pharma]

What do your current bloods show?? That will tell if your PCT was enough and also were you stand as far as doing another cycle...witch I am not for at your age.

 

[Soulthief]

Sorry man didnt mean to come across as being arrogant or disrespectful. Far from it. I seriously appreciate ye even taking your time to comment back. Im just speakin my mind. Definately not making light of the surgery you had to get. Was that caused by steroid use?
Soulthief i did HCG and then clomid and nolva for PCT from my last cycle which was a few months ago. You think i should do more PCT now? What about stuff like SARMs or taking proviron or something? i really need something to give me a boost if ye really think it would cause me impotence to do a 2nd cycle

SARMS can be suppressive also. Do this:

1. Go get more blood work.
2. Depending on your levels, either try another PCT to get your levels up or talk to your doctor.
3. Get rid of your current stock pile.

If you clean this up now, you can run cycles later, more properly, and keep those gains. What are your goals anyway? How much do you expect to gain off this 2nd cycle?

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[saran]

Ya I have to get bloodwork done. Im putting on fat on my stomach which had never happened before i always had a 6 pack and my strength is way down. If my bloods are ok again do you think i could run this cycle and then lay off AAS for a few years? I really want to get back to a big size and try to maintain it once i go natural. Cos after the last cycle i let my diet go after PCT, slacked off in the gym and was drinking a lot. If i did a second cycle i wouldnt repeat those mistakes and would work hard naturally afterwards

 

[saran]

and i want to put on 10-15lbs and lean out to maybe 6% body fat (i had pretty much no fat before i went on anadrol and was eating badly)

 

[Soulthief]

Ya I have to get bloodwork done. Im putting on fat on my stomach which had never happened before i always had a 6 pack and my strength is way down. If my bloods are ok again do you think i could run this cycle and then lay off AAS for a few years? I really want to get back to a big size and try to maintain it once i go natural. Cos after the last cycle i let my diet go after PCT, slacked off in the gym and was drinking a lot. If i did a second cycle i wouldnt repeat those mistakes and would work hard naturally afterwards

You say you will keep your gains naturally after you run this next cycle. I don't think you have your workout or diet dialed in at all right now because your gaining fat and losing strength. Get your blood work done and in the mean time research PCT, diet and workouts. There are plenty of hard gainers on here and a lot of help on EF if you will just listen, research and be patient. And for future thought, the next time you cycle try a simple one. I'm 40 and I bet if I took test at 250 a week and you took your monster cycle for 12 weeks I would blow you away because my workout and diet are right. I would keep most of my moderate gains and you would lose all of yours.

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[saran]

yall quit hatin on a nigga! i is gon blow yo minds when i instagram pics of my guns fools! i blow yo asses to smitharines cos my pecs are machines! if u want the body of yo dreams take steds in yo teens! you cant fit in yo jeans fatty eat an ice cream! all da bitches they scream here comes tha protein feen!
FUck yall and fuck elite fitness ima shoot tren nd feek bitches! peace!

 

[Soulthief]

yall quit hatin on a nigga! i is gon blow yo minds when i instagram pics of my guns fools! i blow yo asses to smitharines cos my pecs are machines! if u want the body of yo dreams take steds in yo teens! you cant fit in yo jeans fatty eat an ice cream! all da bitches they scream here comes tha protein feen!
FUck yall and fuck elite fitness ima shoot tren nd feek bitches! peace!

I have to hurry and save your rap before they shut you down. Boy got skills.

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[Blissfam10]

Fuck you u skinny little bastard for having all that gear!

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[Jigga14]

Haha this kid is a 21 year old twig, probably gonna blow away In the wind or waste away to nothing. But on top of that he is disrespectful. I dont think he's worth the time to help.

 

[saran]

haha soulthief if i could give you more karma i would! Anyway i chose to totally disregard everything that was said. i got bloodwork done and its all good so i decided to go ahead with my cycle. I started with 500mg of test 400, 600mg EQ, and 200mg tren e. Is this a good ratio to minimize tren sides? and is this ratio of eq to test ok? i know il be slated for the cycle ut i would apreciate advice