Tren vs. Test

[Unnatural]

Hey Bros,

Starting to plan my next cycle, and I'm debating whether or not to give Tren a go...Looking to pack on about 15 lbs...

I'm 5"10, 210lbs, 15-16%bf. Done one cycle with 600mg cyp/week, and dbol 35mg/day for weeks 1-4....

Is Tren just a "strength drug" or is there good muscle growth from cycles which include it ?

just looking for some opinion and/or personal experiences...

thanks

 

[aahepp]

Anything that increase strength will also increase size, they come hand and hand. It is not the AS that is doing the size. The only size AS pus on is water. The more you work out the stronger you become, the stronger you become the more your muscles grow and become bigger.
But to answer you question. Tren is a real good one for strength, which in turn will give you size also. Test does the same thing but at the same time gives you increased size due to ater retention. Both are good, and both should be used together so max results.

 

[aahepp]

All I am trying to say is that no AS will increase muscle size on it's own. It has been shown the more weight you lift the stronger your muscles get and the more they grow. While if you lift light, the muscle do not grow as much.
You was breaking it down on the scientific level. I am giving lamens terms. Compareing the 2 Tren vs Test. Test will give you the size but from water, where as both will give you the strength. Tren will not produce water bloat (size), where as test will.

 

[bigkraut]

I never experience any great size increases with tren. Big time strength gains and hardness though. Test is the better mass drug. I'm with aahepp though, why not stack the 2? Better overall gains can be had that way imo.

 

[pgerardone]

All I am trying to say is that no AS will increase muscle size on it's own. It has been shown the more weight you lift the stronger your muscles get and the more they grow. While if you lift light, the muscle do not grow as much.
You was breaking it down on the scientific level. I am giving lamens terms. Compareing the 2 Tren vs Test. Test will give you the size but from water, where as both will give you the strength. Tren will not produce water bloat (size), where as test will.

You are quite off base I believe. Steroids do build muscle and testosterone does increase muscle mass not just water weight. I read a study a while back published in the New England Journal of Medicine in which they took three groups of novice weightlifters. One group they gave 600mgs of enenthate a week and they worked out. The second group was given a placebo and worked out. The third group was given 600mgs of enenthate a week and did not work out at all. All three groups followed similar diets. In the end the group who took the test and did not work out put on considerably more lean muscle mass then the group who took the placebo and did train. This tells us that anabolic steroids do build muscle mass regardless of what type of strength gains are made.

 

[serge]

take it with test and you will be amazed at just how awesome tren is, you will look much harder then will d-bol or drols, and you will be able to keep alot more size when you come off too, tren when combined with test builds alot of quality muscle

 

[aahepp]

I don't see how. So according to their study. If I just eat right and not lift, I will grow muscle just by taking steroids. I don't see how that is. Steroids does not have the ability to make muscle grow on its own. Then again I may be wrong, and at high enough levels you might be able to grow muscle without working for it.

 

[TxLonghorn]

aahepp, I read the same study that pgerardone told you about.

I would think you would have to be stupid to waste an opportunity to build muscle like you can with a.s., and just 'coast' and not work out. But the evidence is there, even if all you do is inject, you will get results.

 

[1abbig]

tren is as great. as stated , stack it with a test and your good to go, i would even throw in some dbol.

 

[aahepp]

Then I stand corrected. See even when you been in this long you still learn things. This just shows that no one know everything about steroids. There is just people that have little pieces of the puzzle, and message boards are good for putting the puzzle together.

 

[Bubba]

Stacking Fina with Test will also keep your equipment working. Fina has a side similar to Deca in some people.