Tren @ the Beginning or the End?

[fbodyguy02]

Hey fellas,

Do you like to start or end your cycles with Tren?

In the past I have ended my cycles with Tren with good results.

What your preference and why?

 

[swordfish151]

I usually run it at the start of my cycle with test, and let the test ride for another 4 weeks...always worked for me...upcoming cycle going to be test prop for 10 weeks, tren for 6 weeks, winny for 6 weeks, clen and t3

 

[fbodyguy02]

I usually run it at the start of my cycle with test, and let the test ride for another 4 weeks...always worked for me...upcoming cycle going to be test prop for 10 weeks, tren for 6 weeks, winny for 6 weeks, clen and t3

Word. I was thinking about the benefits so running test past tren. This sounds like a good plan.

Question...After you stopped Tren at week 6, did you notice any strength/size loss in last 4 weeks while running test?

 

[swordfish151]

Word. I was thinking about the benefits so running test past tren. This sounds like a good plan.

Question...After you stopped Tren at week 6, did you notice any strength/size loss in last 4 weeks while running test?

No not at all, tren is crazy when it comes to the change in your body comp, but if your running the test past the tren, the test keeps you going...honestly I have never felt loss of strenght nor size once I stop tren.

 

[njmuscleguy]

I've seen alot of debate on this.... scheduled to do my first tren cycle this spring....I'm gonna kickstart with t-bol...and run the test a little longer than the tren to help with tren crash.... was thinking this:

Wks 1-4 Tbol
Wks 1-10 Test enth
Wks 4-9 Tren ace

Any opinions on this?

 

[fbodyguy02]

I've seen alot of debate on this.... scheduled to do my first tren cycle this spring....I'm gonna kickstart with t-bol...and run the test a little longer than the tren to help with tren crash.... was thinking this:

Wks 1-4 Tbol
Wks 1-10 Test enth
Wks 4-9 Tren

Any opinions on this?

What kinda Tren, Ace or Hex?

If Tren Ace, then maybe use a shorter acting Ester like Test Prop or Cyp?

 

[swordfish151]

I've seen alot of debate on this.... scheduled to do my first tren cycle this spring....I'm gonna kickstart with t-bol...and run the test a little longer than the tren to help with tren crash.... was thinking this:

Wks 1-4 Tbol
Wks 1-10 Test enth
Wks 4-9 Tren

Any opinions on this?

I believe it boils down to allowing test to run longer then the tren to help with the crash...thats why alot run it first, middle but i havent seen to many run it last and ending it in conjunction with test. Then again there are some that have run tren without test...depends on how you will tolerate the sides if any..

 

[njmuscleguy]

I believe it boils down to allowing test to run longer then the tren to help with the crash...thats why alot run it first, middle but i havent seen to many run it last and ending it in conjunction with test. Then again there are some that have run tren without test...depends on how you will tolerate the sides if any..

well, not sure of the sides, since this will be my first time using tren... and I figured I'd run the test 1-2 weeks longer than the tren, even though I'll be using test enth, so it'll be in my system longer than the tren anyway

 

[steelmass]

Beginning.

 

[Darkos_Money]

If Tren Ace, then maybe use a shorter acting Ester like Test Prop or Cyp?

Im pretty sure you know cyp isnt very fast acting.

I agree with using the test prop deffinatly if your going to use tren ace.

 

[cranny]

You may want give Makavelli a shout. I know he for one likes to run the tren towards the end of a cycle. If you've seen his pics, you know that def. worked for him.

 

[njmuscleguy]

I believe it boils down to allowing test to run longer then the tren to help with the crash...thats why alot run it first, middle but i havent seen to many run it last and ending it in conjunction with test. Then again there are some that have run tren without test...depends on how you will tolerate the sides if any..

well, if you're running test prop with tren ace, then I can see why you'd want to run the test at least 1-2 weeks past the cut-off point of tren, since prop is a short acting ester.... but if you're running test enth, which stays in your system longer, then I could see why one might cut-off both at thet same time if running tren at the end... even so, I'd be inclined to run the test enth maybe another week past the tren cut-off, just in case....

 

[boston789]

My last cycle was test/tren/winny. By far my best one to date!

 

[swordfish151]

well, if you're running test prop with tren ace, then I can see why you'd want to run the test at least 1-2 weeks past the cut-off point of tren, since prop is a short acting ester.... but if you're running test enth, which stays in your system longer, then I could see why one might cut-off both at thet same time if running tren at the end... even so, I'd be inclined to run the test enth maybe another week past the tren cut-off, just in case....

I suppose it would depend on the dosage of the tren and test..remember tren should be inject ED...

 

[fbodyguy02]

My last cycle was test/tren/winny. By far my best one to date!

Where did you put the tren in your cycle?!

 

[Makavelli]

Because of the fact that the more androgens present in the blood, the more muscle one will gain, it only makes sense to run it when you need the most potent and highest amount of androgens, which is at the end of the cycle. If you start off at X amount of AAS you will continue growing until the amount of receptors is greater than the amount of AAS. At this point the only way to keep growing is to add more AAS.

 

[cougar8]

You may want give Makavelli a shout. I know he for one likes to run the tren towards the end of a cycle. If you've seen his pics, you know that def. worked for him.

I for one, have run the Tren at the end adding in some winny.I have never run it at the beginning so I can't comment on that.

 

[hanibal]

why not beginning and end? i have only ran at beginning so far

 

[njmuscleguy]

well, truth be told, I decided to add it to the end because I figured I was already jump-starting the cycle with t-bol, so it made sense to me to use the tren at the end....

 

[Makavelli]

why not beginning and end? i have only ran at beginning so far

You could run it the whole time depending on how long your cycle is. However most people will run tren no longer than 8-10 weeks, so if you're running a 16 week cycle it's better to run it at the end. Let your body use the other AAS things that you're using first. Then add in the tren and you'll start gaining quickly.

 

[swordfish151]

Because of the fact that the more androgens present in the blood, the more muscle one will gain, it only makes sense to run it when you need the most potent and highest amount of androgens, which is at the end of the cycle. If you start off at X amount of AAS you will continue growing until the amount of receptors is greater than the amount of AAS. At this point the only way to keep growing is to add more AAS.

So your saying typical test prop/tren ace cycle should or could lool like this:

Test prop wks 1-10
Tren ace wks 5-10

hmmm i was going to do the opposite.

Test prop 1-10
tren ace 1-6

 

[Makavelli]

So your saying typical test prop/tren ace cycle should or could lool like this:

Test prop wks 1-10
Tren ace wks 5-10

hmmm i was going to do the opposite.

Test prop 1-10
tren ace 1-6

Yeah bro, run it at the end. You just have to look at the physiology like I said before. When you first get back on the level of androgens will far exceed the amount of receptors. After a while(this depends on how much you're using) the amount of receptors will exceed the amount of AAS. At this point in order to keep growing one has to increase the amount of AAS.

 

[swordfish151]

Yeah bro, run it at the end. You just have to look at the physiology like I said before. When you first get back on the level of androgens will far exceed the amount of receptors. After a while(this depends on how much you're using) the amount of receptors will exceed the amount of AAS. At this point in order to keep growing one has to increase the amount of AAS.

Will do just that. Thanks bro!

 

[Nighthawkk]

I always run it at the end of longer cycles, mainly because I go from a bulking to cutting phase most often to take advantage of muscle preservation in caloric deficits. Tren is awesome for cutting, so I like to use it in the last 6 weeks along with test, clen, and sometimes winny. I suppose for people who run shorter cutting cycles it would make sense to run it straight through.