Tren + Proviron = Prostate disaster?

[njmuscleguy]

Hey folks... I'm gonna chime in with another tren sides story here...
I'm starting the 6th week of a 10-week cycle as follows:

Wks 1-4 Tbol (60mg ED)
Wks 4-9 Tren Ace (50mg ED)
Wks 4-10 Proviron (50mg ED)
Wks 1-10 Test Enth (375mg E4D)
AIFM 2 sprays, twice a day

Well, I'm starting my 3rd week of Tren ... only sides until now have been increased aggression and occasional sweats throughout the day... but this past weekend I started having what I'm guessing is prostate problems... Notably, frequent urination and it just takes forever to finish (very slow-going). I know the prostate is affected by: anything highly androgenic (tren); anything that's DHT-derived (Proviron) or converts into DHT (test); and estrogen. I've never had this problem with test or deca.

I'm just wondering what I should do at this point? I guess my options would be to stop taking Proviron, tren, or both... was hoping I didn't have to though.... I was thinking of at least stopping the proviron for now and see if that helps. I know taking something like finasteride (Proscar / Avodart) is an option, but will that affect my gains in this cycle?

I've also just started taking ginger, green tea, zinc, selenium as I know they help with prostate problems.

Any thoughts, suggestions, related experiences with a cycle like this is greatly appreciated!

 

[AhMadKooL]

Prostate enlargement is an issue with some steroids. But i think thats about it; i.e. i don't think that would be considered as a prostate problem; if your still concerned a visit to a Doc might help clear that up.

 

[bilter]

try throwing some saw palmetto in with your suppliments. Its been shown to mildly improve prostate issues.

 

[njmuscleguy]

try throwing some saw palmetto in with your suppliments. Its been shown to mildly improve prostate issues.

Yah, I've seen tons of recommendations for saw palmetto, but I'm starting to see almost as many saying SP is worthless for prostate issues.... still waiting to see some studies

 

[AhMadKooL]

I found this link about Prostate enlargement as one of the side effects of steroids:
http://www.steroid.com/side.php

It says:
"Once again, this is only a possibility that steroids could cause enlargement of the prostate. The media-perpetuated claim of possible prostate cancer seems to be wholly unfounded, according to most research. In many cases, this enlargement is quickly remedied upon cessation of anabolic steroid use. The first period of prostate Prostate growth, occurs first during puberty and is as a result of the testicular secretion of androgens. During adolescence to adulthood, the prostate stays at this stage, despite the relatively high levels of androgens found in the body.

Then, much later on in life, there is often a second stage of growth. Although this was originally deemed to be a result of Dihydrotestosterone s actions in the body, it is more likely due to estrogen combined with a small amount of either DHT or Testosterone. Thus, it´s not hard to imagine that taking steroids can cause this type of prostate enlargement and caused trouble for a steroid taking athlete. Typically, a product such as Finasteride or Dutesteride is taken to avoid this problem, with a high degree of success."

 

[KISSMAN]

Any Symptoms Like That Is Your Body Telling You Something,cease Straight Away Or Pay The Price

 

[njmuscleguy]

I found this link about Prostate enlargement as one of the side effects of steroids:
http://www.steroid.com/side.php

It says:
"Once again, this is only a possibility that steroids could cause enlargement of the prostate. The media-perpetuated claim of possible prostate cancer seems to be wholly unfounded, according to most research. In many cases, this enlargement is quickly remedied upon cessation of anabolic steroid use. The first period of prostate Prostate growth, occurs first during puberty and is as a result of the testicular secretion of androgens. During adolescence to adulthood, the prostate stays at this stage, despite the relatively high levels of androgens found in the body.

Then, much later on in life, there is often a second stage of growth. Although this was originally deemed to be a result of Dihydrotestosterone s actions in the body, it is more likely due to estrogen combined with a small amount of either DHT or Testosterone. Thus, it´s not hard to imagine that taking steroids can cause this type of prostate enlargement and caused trouble for a steroid taking athlete. Typically, a product such as Finasteride or Dutesteride is taken to avoid this problem, with a high degree of success."

Well, I'm not doubting that my prostate is enlarged.... as far as cancer, I'm no doctor...I have no way of ascertaining that on my own.... I just wanted to know if there were any options, aside from ceasing my cycle... also, if I were to use finasteride or dutesteride, would that affect my potential gains

 

[AhMadKooL]

Well, I'm not doubting that my prostate is enlarged.... as far as cancer, I'm no doctor...I have no way of ascertaining that on my own.... I just wanted to know if there were any options, aside from ceasing my cycle... also, if I were to use finasteride or dutesteride, would that affect my potential gains

Finasteride link:
http://www.drugs.com/mtm/finasteride.html

It says there are no drug interactions with other drugs; so i would assume it's safe to take while "on". I'm No Doc so I would highly recommend you to consult with a doc and tell him your symptoms; he'll be more certified than me to give you advice on what you need to take or do.

Best of luck bro

 

[njmuscleguy]

ok, just talked to my doctor.... he prescribed me Proscar (finasteride)... I hope it doesn't affect my cycle gains... if anyone has any relative info on this, please let me know!

 

[JuicedAthletics]

I have taken finasteride for almost a year now. Both on and off cycle, same dose, 1.25 mg ED. I take it for hair loss. I havent noticed ANYTHING side related. The only thing I notice is a really thick head of hair and a little less volume in my ejaculate. Its good stuff. Just dont try and have kids on it, there are some side effects with that..

 

[bilter]

ok, just talked to my doctor.... he prescribed me Proscar (finasteride)... I hope it doesn't affect my cycle gains... if anyone has any relative info on this, please let me know!

If you are on proviron finastride will not help you much. Proviron is a DHT deriviative, finastribe blocks the conversion of testosterone to DHT. Does you Dr know you are on?

 

[njmuscleguy]

If you are on proviron finastride will not help you much. Proviron is a DHT deriviative, finastribe blocks the conversion of testosterone to DHT. Does you Dr know you are on?

I can easily discontinue use of proviron, but I'm a little confused... finasteride only blocks the conversion of test into DHT (by inhibiting the 5-alpha-reductase enzyme) and if I'm not mistaken, it doesn't eliminate DHT already present in the system.... so if you're adding a DHT-derived compound such as proviron, then finasteride wouldn't affect it?

Also, DHT is alot more anabolic than test... so if test is not allowed to convert to DHT, than wouldn't that intrinsically mean that you're not able to get the maximum benefits of test? again, no expert...just thinking out loud

Would appreciate some thoughts from the science and medical whizzes out there!

 

[bilter]

yes and yes. but I think the benefits of finastride(if one does in fact need it for the hair line or prostate) with test outway the slight loss of gains that are made (but I ain't no med whizz

 

[njmuscleguy]

yes and yes. but I think the benefits of finastride(if one does in fact need it for the hair line or prostate) with test outway the slight loss of gains that are made (but I ain't no med whizz

you may be right.... I have the proscar on-hand... been loading up on ginger, zinc, selenium, green tea, and stinging nettle... they seem to be working so I'll hold off on the rx for the time-being and see how things go... thanks for the advice

 

[Roc86]

Is Var a DHT derrivitive?

 

[lanky]

Is Var a DHT derrivitive?

based on chemical structure yes,,both are 5 alpha reduced androstanes

 

[Big_Joe]

Well, I'm not doubting that my prostate is enlarged.... as far as cancer, I'm no doctor...I have no way of ascertaining that on my own.... I just wanted to know if there were any options, aside from ceasing my cycle... also, if I were to use finasteride or dutesteride, would that affect my potential gains

Yea you do. Go to directlabs.com and get a PSA test. This will test your prostate. If you are high go to doc. If not it's something else. I get that problem sometimes and it usually, for me, is a sign of over training because I have exhausted my body.. And by the way my PSA is .5 this is very low for a man my age.

 

[njmuscleguy]

Yea you do. Go to directlabs.com and get a PSA test. This will test your prostate. If you are high go to doc. If not it's something else. I get that problem sometimes and it usually, for me, is a sign of over training because I have exhausted my body.. And by the way my PSA is .5 this is very low for a man my age.

I'll definitely consider that as an option... especially when I'm done with my cycle and PCT - I'll have the doc run that test as well with everything else. It's been day 2 since I stopped taking Proviron... I'm still taking the herbal / OTC stuff that are helpful for prostate problems.... the condition seems to be improving so far!

I might just add the proviron back in when I'm done with the tren portion of the cycle, when I'm only running test (end of the cycle)

 

[njmuscleguy]

BUMP for more responses... any one else have any experience using finasteride & test and seeing decreased gains?