Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below I've always wanted to try tren., always. Originally, it wasn't available and by the time it was I had learned by using deca that I didn't react well to progest. so I avoided it still. Recently, upon learning of cabergoline I have decided to finally get myself a taste. My only other concern is that I have heard from several people that tren alone can cause nasty mental sides. This is due to the fact that it suppress test production, but is chemically different from test. Thus you have a shortage of test. which regulates centain brain functions. I don't know if this is totally accurate, but I have heard many times that it was best to run test. with tren. My point is that I really want to get the hard vascular effects tren and not too much swole from test. so I was thinking about running the tren at 75-100ed and just running a baseline of 250mg sust. per week for 6 weeks and then finishing with 8 weeks of tapering sustanon and anavar at 750mg and 40mg respectively. followed by hcg and clomid of course. Any advice or alterations? I really want to get the feel for the tren.
Tren+notest=depression?
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If you really want to come out hard, I'd sugest using arimidex with that cycle. Even a small base of sus is going to give you some water. Thats a lot of tren bro, not sure how advance you are, but 75 eod was more then enough for me. I tired the 75 ed the final two weeks that i was on tren, and its not worth it. My gains did not improve any more then they where on 75 eod, and i broke out bad with ance. 210 tren a week is compared to 1000 test a week, think about it.
Yeah, I'm definitely not set in my dosage for the tren. Typical test cycles for me are about 500-750 per week for serious results so the 1000mg of test comparison is rather enlightening. I never set my dosages in stone anyway, especially the first time I use a compound. I start at the lower end of effective dosages for my degree of experience and goals, which would seem in this case to be 75-100 eod, and increase or decrease based on results and sides. I've never been one to stick to any number, but rather base my actions on the feedback my body is giving me. I'll definitely be using some arimidex, not just for water weight, but b/c any test will stimulate gyno issues. I also has dostinex for progest., for the same reason. Thanks for the input enzyme.
SelfMedicated
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I've done two Tren only cycles. QV tren, 75mg eod.
The first one, I felt great. Like a super hero. But it was my first cycle ever, so that may have had something to do with it.
The second tren only cycle I felt like crap for the first four weeks. Just dog-shit depressed. Note: I was tapering off of T3 at the time, so that may have something to do with it...
Now I'm coming into my sixth week, and I'm starting to feel that superhero vibe again. Not sure what that means. Also starting to get b-acknea for the first time this week.
I have two more shots left, and then I'm going to start PCT, although I just got ahold of 50 or so stanazole tabs. Do you think that tapering with those will make PCT from the tren better? I have HCG and Novla standing by.
The first one, I felt great. Like a super hero. But it was my first cycle ever, so that may have had something to do with it.
The second tren only cycle I felt like crap for the first four weeks. Just dog-shit depressed. Note: I was tapering off of T3 at the time, so that may have something to do with it...
Now I'm coming into my sixth week, and I'm starting to feel that superhero vibe again. Not sure what that means. Also starting to get b-acknea for the first time this week.
I have two more shots left, and then I'm going to start PCT, although I just got ahold of 50 or so stanazole tabs. Do you think that tapering with those will make PCT from the tren better? I have HCG and Novla standing by.
selfmed, your cycles were just tren.? no other juice besides the t3? If so the depression you are describing is what I have heard time and again. I really think the lack of natural test. or an exogeneous supply of it does affect brain function in some. Heard the same story too many times. I'm definitely gonna throw in some test. even at a low dosage. have you ever done so selfmed? How long did you wait before your second cycle, b/c maybe the first cycle you still had your natural test, but if it was restored enough and got supressed during the second this could have led to the sides you saw. Or it could have been dose related.
SelfMedicated
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No test at all. I was really looking for the hardning effect of tren, and didn't want any water weight at all. Next time I'll probably add test though, because of the depression. Still leary of the water gain. I want to go with prop, but everythnig you read says that QV's prop hurts like hell, so I might go with the Ethanate.
Funny you asked about time off. It was very short. Too short. Then again, my first cycle was only one vial.. about two and a half weeks. I messed up my PCT so bad that I figured I'd be better off getting back on, so I started again after about a week and a half. So you could say I've had two cycle, or you could say I've had just one nine week cycle that had a small break in the middle <grin.>
This time I'm loaded for PCT bear. Got my HCG, my bacteriostatic water and plenty of Novla. If this still leaves me feeling like crap, I'll add clomid next time, but I'm hoping this does the trick.
Funny you asked about time off. It was very short. Too short. Then again, my first cycle was only one vial.. about two and a half weeks. I messed up my PCT so bad that I figured I'd be better off getting back on, so I started again after about a week and a half. So you could say I've had two cycle, or you could say I've had just one nine week cycle that had a small break in the middle <grin.>
This time I'm loaded for PCT bear. Got my HCG, my bacteriostatic water and plenty of Novla. If this still leaves me feeling like crap, I'll add clomid next time, but I'm hoping this does the trick.
I just started doing tren ED instead of EOD, I am using 50mg./day and today I put on 40 pounds on my squat since last week! I am, doing the same cycle as you but I added some d-bol for the fierst five week. The stuff is amazing!!! I could eat pizza all day and the next day I would look so lean and hard! I find it a lot better when you inject in your upper body for upper body hardness. It is like night and day actually!
selfmed, thats defintely the cause. You two cycles were so close together they might as well bee one. You felt great on your "first" cycle b/c it was really just the first few weeks of the tren. The depression set in about the time you had been on long enough that your body stopped producing its own test. You had the tren in you which produced gains and acted as an androgen, but it didn't fill in perfectly for test, and this led to your depression. I'll bet some test would have made a difference.
carlsky, glad to hear the cycle is going well. you ran tren. and dbol for 5 weeks and now you're going with tren alone? Just wanted a more accurate picture of your cycle. I have heard other guys say that site or body oriented shots have a local hardening effect. It goes against all logical IMO, but I'm the first to say you can't deny results. I just don't see through what mechanism an injection to the uper body could increase hardness more accutely in the upper body, but enough bros have said they experienced the same thing that there must be a reason. Maybe local receptor sites, but I figure the juice goes into the blood stream a circulates so...I have no clue. Glad it is having the effect even if I can't explain it. Keep us posted on how things are going bro, I'm starting mine soon and will do the same.
carlsky, glad to hear the cycle is going well. you ran tren. and dbol for 5 weeks and now you're going with tren alone? Just wanted a more accurate picture of your cycle. I have heard other guys say that site or body oriented shots have a local hardening effect. It goes against all logical IMO, but I'm the first to say you can't deny results. I just don't see through what mechanism an injection to the uper body could increase hardness more accutely in the upper body, but enough bros have said they experienced the same thing that there must be a reason. Maybe local receptor sites, but I figure the juice goes into the blood stream a circulates so...I have no clue. Glad it is having the effect even if I can't explain it. Keep us posted on how things are going bro, I'm starting mine soon and will do the same.
Satyricon2004
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Very interesting discussion this. Im running 75mg eod without test and im starting on my 4th week. I dont feel any depression sympthoms yet, nor do i have erectile problems, but i have been thinking about the lack of test symptoms myself.
Would love to hear what some of the big dogs on this forum has to say about this issue. Would it be a good thing for me to start with short ester test this far out in my cycle and add nolvadex ed for the last 2 weeks, or should i just stick to my cycle as planned?
I have clomid for pct, i was looking for HCG, but seems like i dont get mine in time, was thinking about doing 500 ui of HCG from end of week 3 and 10 days ahead,but like mentioned, my source is out of HCG so i wont get any. I might have some for the end of my cycle, how should i run the HCG then? 1000 iu 3 times a week pct or what is the recommandations.
Really nice topic this.. gonna watch this thread carefully.
Would love to hear what some of the big dogs on this forum has to say about this issue. Would it be a good thing for me to start with short ester test this far out in my cycle and add nolvadex ed for the last 2 weeks, or should i just stick to my cycle as planned?
I have clomid for pct, i was looking for HCG, but seems like i dont get mine in time, was thinking about doing 500 ui of HCG from end of week 3 and 10 days ahead,but like mentioned, my source is out of HCG so i wont get any. I might have some for the end of my cycle, how should i run the HCG then? 1000 iu 3 times a week pct or what is the recommandations.
Really nice topic this.. gonna watch this thread carefully.
Satyricon2004 said:
Some guys never notice this problem, but if you were going to notice the problem odds are it would show up around the same time you noticed erectile problems like you were saying. All in theory linked to the lack of natural test. If the boys are still working you aren't in that state. I bet the guys who never have this problems probably never experience the necessary cessation of all test production the results in the mood alterations. Keep us posted on how things go, but if I were in your shoes I'd either run some test at a low level, I'm probaly just doing a baseline of 250mg weekly, or if you don't want to you could wait until you saw early signs of test suppression such as sexual function, libido, testicle shrinkage etc. or even wait until signs of depression show. Not saying they will, but if they do it'd be a perfect test case to see if treatment with testosterone remedied the situation. Keep us posted.
