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Tren and muscle hardness

with both A and E i started getting ridiculous strength gains about 3-4 weeks in.

you should of started feeling the effects, you are probably just expecting too much. from what i've read from some people tren is the equivalent of a magic pill, there isn't such a thing.. maybe your expectations are just too high expecting too much
 
I kind of think tren is a the closest thing to a magic pill you can get. my transdermal tren kicked in, in 2 days and strength went thru the roof.
don't know that i would be looking for muscle hardness, as much as strength increases, body composition, and side effects.
sometimes takes longer for it to kick in for people, but really tren is normally one of the fastest. even the E ester was pretty quick to kick in for me.
do you have legit tren?? is it like almost orange/red?
 
I kind of think tren is a the closest thing to a magic pill you can get. my transdermal tren kicked in, in 2 days and strength went thru the roof.
don't know that i would be looking for muscle hardness, as much as strength increases, body composition, and side effects.
sometimes takes longer for it to kick in for people, but really tren is normally one of the fastest. even the E ester was pretty quick to kick in for me.
do you have legit tren?? is it like almost orange/red?

It's really dark, and I insomnia started 2 days after first injection. Which had subsided now. But yeah it's from the same guy I got my NPP and test from. No reason to Beleive it's bunk
 
with both A and E i started getting ridiculous strength gains about 3-4 weeks in.

you should of started feeling the effects, you are probably just expecting too much. from what i've read from some people tren is the equivalent of a magic pill, there isn't such a thing.. maybe your expectations are just too high expecting too much

Like you said Steve maybe I'm expecting too much too quick. Ill give it 4 weeks before I start to say wtf
 
is your blood pressure up?
sweating at night?
mood swings?
any strength increase? have you tried going above what you do normally?
taking caber? if not, can you get it up?
can you still do cardio with the same intensity? or can you not run at all?

tren i would say is the most noticeable, fastest steroid that isn't oral IMO especially Ace. 2 weeks isn't much, but what is the rest of your cycle?
 
is your blood pressure up?
sweating at night?
mood swings?
any strength increase? have you tried going above what you do normally?
taking caber? if not, can you get it up?
can you still do cardio with the same intensity? or can you not run at all?

tren i would say is the most noticeable, fastest steroid that isn't oral IMO especially Ace. 2 weeks isn't much, but what is the rest of your cycle?

Blood pressure isn't up. Sweating a little bit. Insomnia comes and goes. Strength is down a lot and libido is non existent but that's because I've been on letro for the last week to kill some gyno which is gone now. I do have aromasin and caber.

I'm taking dbol as a kick start and 500 MG sustanon as well
 
Blood pressure isn't up. Sweating a little bit. Insomnia comes and goes. Strength is down a lot and libido is non existent but that's because I've been on letro for the last week to kill some gyno which is gone now. I do have aromasin and caber.

I'm taking dbol as a kick start and 500 MG sustanon as well

There you go. The letro is holding gains back. I would've waited to start the cycle until the gyno was gone. Stop taking the letro and if any symptoms start hit the aromasin. Estrogen is a crucial element to making gains. Like Steve said tren really takes off around 3-4 weeks, but you should have made some increases by now. The letro is killing your cycle.
 
There you go. The letro is holding gains back. I would've waited to start the cycle until the gyno was gone. Stop taking the letro and if any symptoms start hit the aromasin. Estrogen is a crucial element to making gains. Like Steve said tren really takes off around 3-4 weeks, but you should have made some increases by now. The letro is killing your cycle.

Hadn't even thought of that. Didn't know letro had that much of an effect! Thanks guys
 
Letro completely kills estrogen, you still need a little estrogen in your system to make gains. You have to much or not enough then you won't gain shit. I'd stop the tren until you get your natural hormones in order. As in strength is normal and you can get it up on your own.
 
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