Tren and gyno

[meathead666]

Been reading and searching alot regarding TREN and side effects. Seems to me that some people experience them, while others don't. With regards to gyno- all those whom have stated that they have experienced their gyno while on tren cycles only. Did you experience pubescent gyno as an adolescent? Many young teens do and this may be indicative of why you have experienced it using tren (or any other AAS for that matter) Define what you mean by "gyno", some describe it as small hard lumps under their nipples, some say they have puffy nipples, essentially what is your definition of gyno may not be someone else's. Whan was the onset during your cycle? Have you run previous cycles of tren and/or another drugs prior to TREN. What was your dosage. Most guys who have experienced lumps behind their nipples mostly have what I refer to as having significant "love handles" and a more pear like body type. I'm on my 7th day of my very first cycle-no noticeable side effects ...yet. What was your dose, EOD/ED? I'm not of the opinion that it doesn't cause gyno or any other side effects for that matter, I feel I have had difficulty sleeping since starting it at 50mg ED, but there are tons of factors that can affect it's development.

 

[LONE_AZ]

Bro,

I have gyno from a tren only cycle. 75 mg ED in the 5th week of my cycle. My body fat was about 7-9% at the time.

Gyno from tren can not be predicted if you had gyno at puberty you are probably more predisposed. Gyno from tren occurs by a different mechanism then your aromatizable steroids. Gyno from test is caused by excess estrogen where as gyno from tren is caused by an up regulation of the estrogen receptors. The estrogen receptors in breast tissue becomes up regulated in the presence of excess prolactin. The only hormone that controls this receptor modulation is progesterone, which is decreased by tren via elavated progestin. Tren also raises prolactin. Some people are sensitive to this while some are not there is no real way of knowing except by trial and error.

 

[Enigmaxxx7]

Bro,

I have gyno from a tren only cycle. 75 mg ED in the 5th week of my cycle. My body fat was about 7-9% at the time.

Gyno from tren can not be predicted if you had gyno at puberty you are probably more predisposed. Gyno from tren occurs by a different mechanism then your aromatizable steroids. Gyno from test is caused by excess estrogen where as gyno from tren is caused by an up regulation of the estrogen receptors. The estrogen receptors in breast tissue becomes up regulated in the presence of excess prolactin. The only hormone that controls this receptor modulation is progesterone, which is decreased by tren via elavated progestin. Tren also raises prolactin. Some people are sensitive to this while some are not there is no real way of knowing except by trial and error.

This is all you really need to know. In fact, karma for you LONE.


I did a tren only cycle. I started having gyno symptoms at the end of week two. By gyno symptoms, i mean VERY SENSITIVE nipples and a very slight hard lump under one. I stopped the tren immediately. I was taking 50mg/ED but I made it myself so it could have been slightly higher. I was clean for a year before the tren only cycle. I had done 2 other light cycles in the previous 8 years. Never had any gyno from any other cycles which included such AS as Test, Winny and Dbol. I never had adolescent gyno. My bf is never higher than 10% and in the summer is usually around 6 or 7%. Never had love handles. Not remotely shaped like a pear. Tall and lean. I think I answered all of your questions. Oh yeah and the gyno took about 2 - 3 months to subside. I was panicking.

 

[LONE_AZ]

Lucky you. Mine has not gone away.. It has been six months. I have an appointment on the 20th with a plastic surgeon. I hope to have them removed by the end of the month.

 

[Enigmaxxx7]

Holy shit. Sorry dude. Is it noticeable or do you just feel it? I can BARELY notice something if I move a certain way. Not enough to bother me and believe me I'm my own worst critic. But the tenderness and puffiness are gone. And the lump has gone down to almost nothing. Damn I need to get Platinum so I can post some pics.

 

[Hacker]

Tren gives me gyno. (hard lumps under nips) I've done several cycles with several dfferent AS.

My current cycle:

Winny 50mg ed
Tren 75 mg eod
Test 200-400mg week
Arimidex 1mg ed

2 weeks into tren, I developed lumps. (about 6 weeks into test/winny) I took tren a year ago and got the same thing, but not as bad. I discontinued the tren (about a month ago), and the lumps are still there. I'm still on winny (100mg/day) for a couple of more weeks, arimidex (1mg/day) and Vitex (2000mg/day)

Btw, vitex is worthless imo, because I'm sure it's elevated prolactin levels thats causing this.

 

[frorider6]

Puffy nipples here, but no hard lumps. Not really even noticeable except to me.

For what it's worth, I did have some hard lumps under my nipples at the onset of puberty but they went away.

Fina is not the magic solution everyone thinks it is.

 

[LONE_AZ]

Mine are noticeable. Pretty big hard lumps. I'm pretty lean now so I can get away with it but they got to go. I can't wait.


Try Bromocriptine 1.25 mg ED to 2.5 mg ED

You can also try some progesterone cream 5-10mg ED.

Why Would Men Need to UseA Progesterone Cream?

They need it to make their testosterone and for the adrenal glands to make cortisone. Males synthesize progesterone in amounts less than women do but it is still vital. Men with BPH (swelling of the prostate) and other male related problems will appreciate the speed of relief with progesterone cream. Doctors recommends that men use 8 - 12 mg of progesterone daily. Progesterone has NO feminizing characteristics. Progesterone is an 5-alpha reductase inhibitor -- it helps prevent the conversion of testosterone into DHT. Progesterone may also help men with complexion and increased energy. Progesterone balances the estrogens that build in a man's body. Furthermore, it may be important in the prevention and/or treatment of prostatism and prostate cancer.


Other benefits of natural progesterone:
 Enhances libido
 Improves energy, stamina and endurance
 Stimulates the body's own natural production and regulation progesterone, testosterone, and other hormones.
Men may also use natural progesterone to balance testosterone, to alleviate symptoms associated with an enlarged prostate, and to reverse the feminizing effects of too much estrogen.

 

[Primal X]

<<<<Tren gyno victim..puffy nipples and sensitive tissue.

 

[Enigmaxxx7]

Good info Fro, LONE and Hacker.

 

[haxedout]

taking winstrol with fina can stop the gyno.......

 

[frorider6]

taking winstrol with fina can stop the gyno.......

I can't explain why, but that combo doesn't work. Search on some of Corn's threads or ask him. He can explain why.

 

[LONE_AZ]

Winstrol does not address the prolactin issue. Have you given any thought to the Progesterone Cream? The logic behid it is sound.

 

[Primal X]

taking winstrol with fina can stop the gyno.......

negative.......

 

[Enigmaxxx7]

taking winstrol with fina can stop the gyno.......

I believe in theory, tren and winny fight for the same receptors so taking winny would hopefully help. However, I have yet to see where someone who is prone to tren PR gyno has tried this with success. Maybe the tren overtakes the winny in the fight for the receptor.

????????

 

[LONE_AZ]

Progestin has stronger binding potential. Winny can't offset progestin binding at the receptor site when gyno has already set in nor can it offset the raise in progestin in people who are prone so it has limited value in that respect.

I have lots of theory on how to prevent gyno from tren in prone people but given that I have to spend about 2500.00 this month to have them cut out. I'm not about to test my theories any time soon of ever for that matter. I would also never ask anyone one else to or advise them either. It is not worth it. I love Tren but the cost is not worth it nor is taking the chance. I will stick to Var Winny and Primo and maybe a little test with anti-E’s.

 

[frorider6]

Progestin has stronger binding potential. Winny can't offset progestin binding at the receptor site when gyno has already set in nor can it offset the raise in progestin in people who are prone so it has limited value in that respect.

I have lots of theory on how to prevent gyno from tren in prone people but given that I have to spend about 2500.00 this month to have them cut out. I'm not about to test my theories any time soon of ever for that matter. I would also never ask anyone one else to or advise them either. It is not worth it. I love Tren but the cost is not worth it nor is taking the chance. I will stick to Var Winny and Primo and maybe a little test with anti-E’s.

I thought that once you had them cut out, you couldn't get gyno again.

Also, the list of stuff you'll use in the future pretty much matches mine. Except that I want to try deca because of the rumored joint benefits. I guess I'll just have to run winny with it (as well as some test).

 

[Mike P.T.]

Shit all this talk about gyno from fina has made me paranoid to take it. I've already made a few in the past for friends but never taken it myself. For summer I was definately considering it along with winny but lately I've had a change of heart. I don't wanna add bromo or ru-486 or all that other shit either just so I can take it. All the extra sides are not worth it to me. Shit guess Mike P.T. will never try fina. I hope i take that back one day. Maybe... Everyone raves about that shit here.

 

[LONE_AZ]

Read this post . I post the reason why it can come back.


Gyno Can Come Back after it is removed

 

[frorider6]

Since I'm sensitive to Fina (puffy nips but not full blown gyno) do you think I should even be considering deca?

 

[LONE_AZ]

I would not want to give you advice either way. I would reccomend that you keep it low dose say 200-300 mg a week.

 

[Mike P.T.]

Since I'm sensitive to Fina (puffy nips but not full blown gyno) do you think I should even be considering deca?

Try is at a light dose bro. It's my understanding that fina is much stronger progesterone-wise than even deca. Also raises prolactin levels which deca does not. Start off light and if slight symptoms occur, get off of it. I have done deca in the past several times. At one point I did 600mg a week for about 2 months and have no gyno problems. Still, deca is the shit for joints!!! Unless you wanna go the G.H. route.

 

[frorider6]

Can't afford GH.

I was considering running it at 300 mg per week. Maybe I'll start at 200 mg per week and run it with winny (don't know the proper dose) and 300-500 mg of test per week.

Barring any gyno sides, that sounds like a fun damn cycle.

 

[Mike P.T.]

Can't afford GH.

I was considering running it at 300 mg per week. Maybe I'll start at 200 mg per week and run it with winny (don't know the proper dose) and 300-500 mg of test per week.

Barring any gyno sides, that sounds like a fun damn cycle.

50mg ed with the winny should do you nicely. This dht derivative(winny) has been known to be anti-progesteronic to deca's effect. Not strong enough for fina though unfortunately. Even 50mg eod will suffice for some individuals but 50ed or 100eod seems to be the norm. Good luck on your cycle bro.

Fuck I still wanna try FINA!!!! Don't wanna wake up one day though and feel my nips and have it and end up regretting this whole shit.

 

[frorider6]

50mg ed with the winny should do you nicely. This dht derivative(winny) has been known to be anti-progesteronic to deca's effect. Not strong enough for fina though unfortunately. Even 50mg eod will suffice for some individuals but 50ed or 100eod seems to be the norm. Good luck on your cycle bro.

Fuck I still wanna try FINA!!!! Don't wanna wake up one day though and feel my nips and have it and end up regretting this whole shit.

50 mg ED oral or injected. Please tell me oral. This Fina has me SO over ED injections.

In my opinion, Fina isn't worth it. You can make the same gains off safer stuff that have more predictable sides.

 

[Mike P.T.]

50 mg ED oral or injected. Please tell me oral. This Fina has me SO over ED injections.

In my opinion, Fina isn't worth it. You can make the same gains off safer stuff that have more predictable sides.

You can go the oral route bro. Just remember its half life is around 8-9 hours so 2 doses a day are needed for more stable blood levels of the drug. It's been shown in a study done though that winny injected is a little more effective that oral dosing. Even though it is c-17 alpha alkylated and is effective orally the injected method still prove to be more effective. Genarr3 actually posted this study. PM him for it.

Guess im not going to try the fina. Not worth getting gyno from it IMO. Thx bro you're the one especially that got me thinking about it. Always see your puffy nips posts about it. I mean so do alot of other guys but you're lean enough to begin with and usually leaner individuals get gyno less(more due to estrogen related though than progesterone related) so even once im as lean as I want to be, I'll just try something else. Maybe just hit winny and a little halo together along with some test this summer. So far this sus and prov and fat burners are doing me fuckin great. Later bro.