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swordfish151
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purpleade said:
I've never run tren alone nor will I , the crash from a tren alone cycle is just crazy...but not all have that problem...as for as a comparison??? NO way do they compare...the 500mgs of test and tren will get you alot alot more gains then a tren only cycle...
fireman664
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Ulter said:
I have heard this from so many people....however, I have done about 4 tren only cycles and loved EVERY one of them. I get ZERO sides, and continue to make strength gaines 3-4 weeks AFTER my last inj. I have stacked it with test before (the first time), because EVERYONE said you have to have test. I got every side imaginable. acne both during, then worse post cycle, no sex drive/hardon problems...ect ect. I gained alot of size, but then lost most of it post cycle even with proper pct. Now, before I get flammed, everyone is different. This just may be the way I respond to tren. I understand the science behind people saying that tren will shut you down, therefore you need test. But almost everyone who says that has NOT done a tren only cycle, which is fine but leaves the just repeating info that has been passed around without any firsthand knowledge. My knowledge is first hand, but again could be unique to me....I'm not sure, but I love it.
here is an exerpt from "Big cat"'s profile of tren, I have always thought it was spot on compared to others profiles
On the other hand trenbolone just as easily combines with stanozolol or methenolone for purposes of reducing body-fat. Bill Roberts recently claimed that trenbolone doesn't reduce body-fat and that nothing in the literature proves it does. But I beg to differ. Either Mr.Roberts isn't too bright or he doesn't know how to perform a medline search, since after a mere minute of searching I found a study1 that clearly documented the fat-loss aspects of trenbolone acetate. It clearly concluded (even said so in the abstract) that trenbolone does indeed reduce body-fat (as androgens do, we discuss this in our profile of Masteron), but only when not competing with circulating estrogen. This means as a fat-loss agonist, trenbolone is best used late in a cycle and only combined with non-aromatizing steroids since it competes with circulating estradiol. Body-fat percentage when cutting would drop regardless, simply because of the qualitative lean mass gain made while no extra body-fat is deposited.
And finally in doses of 50-100 mg daily, trenbolone acetate can be used just fine by itself and quite favorably. In fact for people starting out, not too concerned with the side-effects and looking solely for a quality increase in lean muscle, small doses of fina (50mg/day injectable) would be very suitable.
The mechanism by which trenbolone mediates skeletal muscle hypertrophy is diversified and not very well understood. On the one hand trenbolone is a very active agonist of the androgen receptor, as illustrated by its increasing strength and aggression at the level it does. While this is a large contributor there is evidence that it mediates muscle growth by another pathway entirely2,3, namely the increasing of satellite cell sensitivity to an increase in IGF-1 (Insulin-Like growth factor 1) and FGF (Fibroblast growth factor). This would result in a much, much greater nutrient uptake and protein synthesis and explain why trenbolone is so much more potent in building lean muscle than other non-aromatizing, AR-mediated steroids like drostanolone and mesterolone.
In fact, in veterinary cycles the androgenic hypertrophy is regarded as the strongest of any steroid, which is why instead of using aromatizing compounds to enhance mass in cattle, they now inject them with products like Revalor-S, which contains trenbolone and estradiol, to make up for the lack of estrogenic mass accrual.
The points one may wish to consider during use of Fina is the low sterility of some home-brewed concoctions along with the already relatively painful injections (high alcohol content). This can lead to multiple problems when it is injected daily. Lumps due to plentiful same-site injections, abscesses and infections caused by faulty filtering and so on. Trenbolone is not particularly toxic though. Liver values are barely elevated while using it. Though there is no evidence or explanation to support this, some users reported a certain kidney-toxicity. Blood in urine and all that. While this was no doubt the result of a fake (Finaject used to be an often faked steroid shortly after its discontinuation) but I figured I'd mention it. Other than that mild androgenic effects such as acne and an increase in hair loss are noted as well.
For those seeking to use trenbolone there are many online sources on how to make injectable, transdermal and intranasal forms if you can get your hands on fina. Some sites even sell conversion kits that make the whole even easier.
Stacking and Use:
Trenbolone is relatively safe steroid all in all. There is some concern about kidney toxicity, but usually exaggerated. The beauty of trenbolone is that its one steroid that has it all : Its highly effective in its own, provides all lean gains which are fairly easy to maintain and isn't very prone to cause side-effects. Finaplix particularly provides you with a cheap source of trenbolone as well. The problem is making the cartridges into a sterile injectable or transdermal.
hope this helps
fireman664
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steelmass said:
I wouldnt do transdermal either....to messy...I just make my own and stick
Fireman, BC is a nice guy, but once again he's showing his ignorance by slamming Bill Roberts and saying he hasn't searched Medline. I'd like to see where BC is finding medical literature about trenbolone used on humans to determine fat loss characteristics. Since it's not approved for human use... I don't think so. The major fault with BC is that he doesn't cycle. He looks up his ideas in medical literature and hey guess what? There isn't any medical literature about trenbolone's affects on HPTA recovery. So that leaves anecdotal evidence. A quick search of the million posts on Elite's Steroid board will yield hundreds of posts by people who are shut down hard from tren and especially tren alone. So he's wrong. Again.
purpleade said:
for starters, the difference is that you'll not have the added benefit of any gains that 500mg/wk of test give you. Only you know what that is.
I've done tren by itself, not at 50mg/ed, but at approx 120mg/ed. (homebrew)
I thought I'd try a 6 weeker just to see what would happen. Well, had to stop after the 3rd week. I don't get bad sides when I cycle it with test, but by itself, the night sweats were insane!! Maybe it was from lack of sleep, but I felt grumpy and tired all the time entering the 3rd week.
As far as gains are concerned, strength was definitely way up and I seamed to look bigger even though I was seeing more definition. Don't know about actual weight gain as I didn't weigh myself. I try not to do that too much anymore. (I tend to get too caught up with how much I've gained)
Beachboy6294
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I've never tried Tren alone and love Test to much not to stack them!
Would tren 50mg/ed stacked with winny 50mg/ed be better or would that shut me down even more than it would with the tren by itself?
What other than test would be good to stack with tren? I'm only looking to use 2 compounds at the same time, but if I need 3 to cycle properly with tren I'm all in.
Thanks for the info
What other than test would be good to stack with tren? I'm only looking to use 2 compounds at the same time, but if I need 3 to cycle properly with tren I'm all in.
Thanks for the info
Beachboy6294
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I've used and love Test E, Tren, EQ, and Winny for a cycle!!!
Quiltie
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I must agree with Ulter. I used to think Big Cat was the final word, but those profiles haven't been updated in YEARS. No knock to BC, I have traded emails with him personally for various reasons and think he's great. There's PLENTY of anecdotal evidence showing that at the end of the day "Test is Best". But you just might have to experiment a bit, be careful and see what works. I personally would run the Test... 
fbodyguy02
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Add the test. If your running tren ace, why not prop instead of test E..your going to be injectiong ED anyways....
DieselGunz
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do not run tren alone, will kill your sex drive and u will have a hell of a time coming off
Beachboy6294
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DieselGunz said:
I agree with Diesel ask some of the bro's like Mr.X and Radar! Mak, swordfish, and Outlaw!
purpleade said:
test should be essential with tren. tren can shut you down badly and running test with it will combat that and help you with gains as well. other than that i used tren e recently for my first time on tren at 300mg/wk and it worked good for me so 50-75 mg tren ace for a first timer would be pretty good from what i know so that u can see how your body reacts. also if you could in anyway run some winny with it, combined with tren, they have great synergistic effects on each other.
Nighthawkk
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I've done it alone before but it was for just 4 weeks, and I was younger. I won't do it without test from now on, although it was a good way to preserve muscle whilst cutting.
GymIntensity
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What if someone is trying to keep weight gain to a minimal amount, if any?
Will the added test give a weight increase and can you have a test only cycle without gaining "weight" just strength, and maybe which form of test?
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Will the added test give a weight increase and can you have a test only cycle without gaining "weight" just strength, and maybe which form of test?
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I wasn't going to chime in on this but what the hell.....i'm a huge fan of the Trenny Tren Tren!!! I think the stuff is awesome....and have used it alone at varying doses from as low as 25mg ED to 100mg ED. I've found that I do best at 75 mg EOD. I've used it to cut and to bulk and i'd say that tren is equally effective for both. I admit that my nuts do seem to hang a little closer to home when i'm about on week 6 of the Tren. Everytime I use it I do the same PCT regime. I use 1,000iu of HCG ED for 5 days and then follow it up with the standard clomid regime...and each time i'm back to normal.....it might not be for some...but it works great for me.
tiggerizme
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Any decent amount of research will tell you that Tren needs to be combined with a Test. Take the recomendations, or don't..
fireman664
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big4rt said:
This is exactly my point. Almost everyone who says "YOU HAVE TO HAVE TEST" havent tried tren alone. I am NOT saying they are wrong. I am saying that I get ZERO sides. My sex drive INCREASES. I get strong, cut, and dont add much weight (which is my goal). I continue to make gains a month or so after discontinuing use, then I level off, I dont drop. The only sides I get at all are I feel warmer, but not even night sweats (and my cardio about the 4th weeks falls off).
So why on earth would I add test to it if this drug alone is absolutly perfect for me? Again, maybe this is unique to me, hell I dont know....but I know my body and results, and I know that for me tren with test was great for mass and strenght...but at the expense of a limp noodle, acne everywhere, huge post cycle shutdown (even with pct) itchy nips ect ect ect...
I am not telling anyone that the common wisdom about tren only is wrong, just posting my results. And as far as BC, I posted that because after I had done a few tren only cycles everyone was saying how I shouldnt have ...ect. So when I found that, I thought "man, that is right on the money for MY experiences"
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