Transdermal vs. Oral PH Cost Benefit Analysis

[Lumberg]

What's up folks. I was wondering about the cost effectiveness of Oral vs. transdermal delivery of PHs so I did an analysis:

For prices I used Avantlabs products (which I think are the best) at bodybuilding.com (best prices I could find) and vitanet's prices on oral capsules. 200mg caps in all cases.

For transdermal apps I used Par Deus' estimate of 40% delivery. For oral I used 15% delivery.

I only analyzed 4-AD, Nordiol, and 1-AD/1-test.

4-AD:

Transdermal:

Product: 4ADerm 12g 4-AD @ $$43

$43/(12g*40%) = $8.96 per gram delivered

Oral: 60 caps 200 mg ea. = 12g $20

$20/(12g*15%)=$11.11/g delivered

The cost per gram delivered would be equal at a transdermal delivery fraction of 32.6%.

Nor-Diol:

Transdermal: Nor-ADerm 12g NorDiol @ $73

$73/(12g*40%)=$15.4/g delivered

Oral: 60 caps 200 mg each= 12g $43

$43/(12g*15%)=$23.89/g delivered

The cost per gram delivered would be equal at a transdermal delivery fraction of about 30%.

1-AD/1-test (this one is tricky since oral bioavailability may be higher than 15%--some estimate it as high as 30%)

Transdermal: One 3g 1-test $50

$50/(3g*40%)=$41/g delivered

Oral: 1-AD 60 caps, 100mg each = 6g $36

$36/(6g*15%)=$40/g delivered

Conclusions:

Oral 1-AD is definitely the way to go if 1-test is the hormone you want to use.

Transdermals get the edge in the raw analysis for 4-Ad and Nordiol. However since the bioavailability estimates for transdermal are just that, the data aren't definitive.

However for me transdermals are still the way to go because of the time-released nature and the need for fewer doses. Apparently they're better on sides too because severity of sides is determined by peak levels of PH in the blood (which are higher in oral admin. because it gets in your system faster).

So while the raw numbers aren't that reliable the last two points are what push the transdermals over the edge.

JC

 

[Scaggs]

Dam bro,

You're insane, kickass breakdown

I'm liking the One+. I wanna give them a try one of these days. I've found some good feedback on One and One+ too.

Scaggs

 

[Lumberg]

If you want the effects of 1-test and 4AD it would be cheaper to take 1-AD orally and stack it with transdermal 4Aderm I believe.

JC

 

[Scaggs]

Yea but just like you said before about the oral,(greater chance of sides) i really don't like the oral idea. I'd rather go transdermal or sublingal. I didn't get any sides from the 1-test sublingal, and some exp some sides with 1-ad oral. I guess I don't want to take a chance. DHT hairloss is my only concern. That is why I was asking about those dione questions on the other post. I took all those diones for a good long time. Didn't get any mpb, but still i'm only 24. I may be too young yet for the MPB to start. I don't know enough about MPB and DHT so I'm weary,

Good post on the breakdowns bro,

Scaggs

 

[pa1ad]

Yea but just like you said before about the oral,(greater chance of sides) i really don't like the oral idea. I'd rather go transdermal or sublingal. I didn't get any sides from the 1-test sublingal,
Scaggs

Whoa, hold on there brother. You found a 1-test sublingual?? And you took it?

You ought to enter the local jalapeno eating contest

 

[Scaggs]

Whoa, hold on there brother. You found a 1-test sublingual?? And you took it?

You ought to enter the local jalapeno eating contest

What do you mean? Well they call it 1-test but its actually 1-ad i think, that converts to 1-test if thats what you mean. I guess by that notion it would burn like a bitch if it were sublingual.

Scaggs

 

[Sanosuke]

you could always homebrew.. its much cheaper.. i was able to make a mix of 6g of 1-test and 9g of 4-ad.. with the newest homebrew formulas its about 50% absorbable! this brew only cost me about 48 bucks! youll get a higher rate of both 1-test and 4-ad than anything out there you can buy for the price