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To use.... or not to use?

diesel81

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I have a show coming up and i was debating on using t3 with my clen and hgh. I've heard a lot of negatives and not too many positives with t3. What have your experiences with it been like? Did you loose much muscle? How long did you use it and at what dose? All help is appreciated.
Thanks,
Diesel
 
What other drugs are you currently on? You def. don't want to use t-3 with clen and hgh if that is all you are using. You WILL lose muscle mass when you use t-3, but it will all depend on what you are willing/need to do. Remember too that you can be big as fuck and you WON'T win if you aren't in perfect condition.
 
GH also has an aspect of thyroid supression so you would want to be very specific in how you introduce t3 in there. And also like stated above, clen is supposed to have an 'anti-catabolic' effect but if you are prepping for a show, the diet & training are already geared towards significant cutting and that by itself will introduce a degree of muscle catabolism if you aren't using an AAS. And the diet (low carbing) will also probably have a drag effect on your thyroid as well.
 
If you are only using GH to burn fat, then yes, you can throw in some T3. If you are using GH as an anabolic, then the T3 will make the GH no longer anabolic.

J Hepatol. 1996 Mar;24(3):313-9.



Effects of long-term growth hormone (GH) and triiodothyronine (T3) administration on functional hepatic nitrogen clearance in normal man.


Wolthers T, Grofte T, Moller N, Vilstrup H, Jorgensen JO.

Department of Medicine M (Endocrinology and Diabetes), Aarhus University Hospital, Denmark.

BACKGROUND/AIMS: A decline in urea excretion is seen following long-term growth hormone administration, reflecting overall protein anabolism. Conversely, hyperthyroidism is characterized by increased urea synthesis and negative nitrogen metabolism. These seemingly opposite effects are presumed to reflect different actions on peripheral protein metabolism. The extent to which these hormonal systems have different direct effects on hepatic urea genesis has not been fully characterized. METHODS: We measured urea nitrogen synthesis rates and blood alanine levels concomitantly before, during, and after a 4-h constant intravenous infusion of alanine (2 mmol.kg bw-1.h-1). Urea nitrogen synthesis rate was estimated hourly as urinary excretion corrected for gut hydrolysis and accumulation in body water. The slope of the linear relationship between urea nitrogen synthesis rate and alanine concentration represents the liver function as to conversion of amino-N, and is denoted the functional hepatic nitrogen clearance. Eight normal male subjects (age 21-27 years; body mass index 22.4-27.0 kg/m2) were randomly studied four times: 1) after 10 days of subcutaneous saline injections, 2) after 10 days of subcutaneous growth hormone injections (0.1 IU/kg per day), 3) after 10 days of triiodothyronine administration (40 micrograms on even dates, 20 micrograms on uneven dates) and 4) after 10 days given 2)+3). All injections were given at 20 00 h. RESULTS: Growth hormone decreased functional hepatic nitrogen clearance (l/h) by 30% (from 33.8 +/- 3.2 l/h (control) to 23.8 +/- 1.5 l/h (10 days growth hormone) (mean +/- SE) (ANOVA; p < 0.01)). Triiodothyronine did not change functional hepatic nitrogen clearance (36.7 +/- 3.2 l/h), but triiodothyronine given together with growth hormone abolished the effect of growth hormone functional hepatic nitrogen clearance (38.8 +/- 4.8 l/h). CONCLUSIONS: The results show that long-term growth hormone administration acts on liver by decreasing functional hepatic nitrogen clearance, thereby retaining amino-N in the body. Triiodothyronine has no effect on functional hepatic nitrogen clearance, but given together with growth hormone, it abolishes the effect of growth hormone on functional hepatic nitrogen clearance. A possible mechanism is the known effect of thyroid hormones in reducing the bioavailability of insulin-like growth factor-I. Thus, the effects of growth hormone and triiodothyronine on amino-N homeostasis are interdependent and to some extent exerted via interplay in their regulation of liver function as to amino-N conversion.

Publication Types:
Clinical Trial
Randomized Controlled Trial

PMID: 8778198 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
 
This week is my last week of Test Enanthate at 500mg a week. I was on the test for a total of 12 weeks after this week. I'm staying on gh until a month out from the show (4IU every day). Next Saturday I start Primo tabs 100mg a day and Anavar 50mg a day all the way up until a week out from the show. I also will be doing Winstrol 50mg inj. every day until three weeks out I will will replace the winstrol with halotestin 20mg every day all the way up until the show. I will be throwing in Arimidex 1mg everyday the last 30 days along with 25 mg proviron.
 
along with aas. I started at 2 40mcg a day and when that didnt work i moved to 60mcg and so on until i reached 100mcg a day. That took me close to ten weeks.
 
diesel81 said:
along with aas. I started at 2 40mcg a day and when that didnt work i moved to 60mcg and so on until i reached 100mcg a day. That took me close to ten weeks.

40mcg per day or 40 twice a day
 
diesel81 said:
So What Do You Guys Think I Should Do?
I think you should take the overall winner's trophy and bust it over his head TNA Wrestling-style. Then hit a most muscular and scream "who's the bitch now?" to the horrified audience.
 
BigCracker said:
I think you should take the overall winner's trophy and bust it over his head TNA Wrestling-style. Then hit a most muscular and scream "who's the bitch now?" to the horrified audience.

Tren? :)
 
rejection_juice said:


No just the public humiliation of losing as a result of politics and competitors bribing judges with sexual favors can make a cracka go crazy.

The worst part is yet to come when everybody asks you how you did for weeks after the show. Many wait with baited breath to hear the excuse you have for losing. It makes them feel really good sense they probably couldn't win a best chest contest at the local watering hole, let alone do a BB show.

Kinda funny how so few will bother to ask how you did when you win the overall.
 
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