Time for my PCT

[BIGMIke007]

HI Guys, its finally time for my PCT, will have my last shot of Test P tomorrow, its been a 16weeker of test, eq, and tren (4-10), all long esters are out and im ready to start PCT, Ive been using HCG from week 4 (250IU's 2X week) and ive been using 0.5mg adex EOD throughout.

Firstly Im in a third world country and cant get dermacrine, so please dont tell me to just to dermacrine sustain. My question is......
I still have some Adex left, should I run it with my nolva during PCT??
Anthony Roberts says no, but ive gone back to the literature and there is only one study I have found on the effecs of tamoxifene on anastrolze concentration, and anastrolze levels were only decrerased by 27% (Journal of Steroid Biochemistry & Molecular Biology 79 (2001) 85–91) So why not.
I also have 8 50mg caps of Clomid which I am also planning to throw into the first week of my PCT, this surely cant do harm.

My last question is.... I'll have 1500IU's (already mixed) of HCG, so I either use it or throw it in the garbage, ive used it throughout so ive been advised to not use it during PCT, but why not, surely its will also be more beneficial than to throw it in the bin.


So this is what ive got planned:

week 1-4 20mg Nolva
week1 50mg clomid
week1-4 0.5mg adex EOD ---- or 0.5mg ED for week1-2????
HCG 500IU day 3, 5,7

 

[GUARDIAN]

u cant get anymore clomid?

mike - word of advice for next time. have everything on hand and a p/c/t/ planned priot to starting.

 

[BIGMIke007]

With all due respect, ive had everything on hand for months, ive also had everything planned for months, but im just anxious, there are so many options, so many opinions, so much crap out there, so many people giving advise without solid evidence or reasoning.

Ive never really believed that there is a point to using to SERMS at once, just using some clomid cause its lying in my cupboard, also asking about the Adex cause ive got some left so why the hell not use it. I think these are reasonable questions which deserves reasnoble answers

 

[GUARDIAN]

With all due respect, ive had everything on hand for months, ive also had everything planned for months, but im just anxious, there are so many options, so many opinions, so much crap out there, so many people giving advise without solid evidence or reasoning. this is where you will need to do some research on your own if u find conflicting opinions (this will always be the case in an open forum such as this). ask for evidence or logic if u question something.

Ive never really believed that there is a point to using to SERMS at once, just using some clomid cause its lying in my cupboard, also asking about the Adex cause ive got some left so why the hell not use it u talk about solid reasoning. why the hell not is certainly not that. to simply just use something bc u have it laying around is not a good practice . I think these are reasonable questions which deserves reasnoble answers

i gave u reasonable advice. 1 week of clomid isnt going to cut it hence me asking u if u can get more. save it until u can get some more or just run the nolva and hcg. the way you presented your questions and concerns in your posts made it appear that you hadnt finalized your p/c/t and that you were short on items.

when u get to p/c/t how long will that extra 1500iu's have been mixed & refridgerated for?

 

[nydj66]

If you decide to use the rest of the H-C-G don't start the SERM therapy until after you are done with the injections. Since you used it during your cycle it's not necessary to use it post-cycle; it won't hurt but it won't really help either.

From personal experience, I've always had better results during P-C-T by using clomiphene and tamoxifen at the same time. In fact, these days I use 100mg/day of clomid with 20mg/day of nolvadex for 25 days. There is also some studies showing that using both SERMS for P-C-T will give a better recovery.

The couple of times I used an AI during P-C-T I couldn't really say it helped at all. In theory, once your body starts procuding testosterone naturally again (after a couple weeks of SERM therapy) and AI would increase serum test levels by reducing the amount that aromatizes. But as I said, the difference wasn't significant enough for me to notice any quicker recovery.

 

[BIGMIke007]

8and20- the HCG has only been mixed for 5 days,

Nydj66 - thanks for your input

 

[GUARDIAN]

8and20- the HCG has only been mixed for 5 days,

Nydj66 - thanks for your input

i would run the hcg. there isn't a real need for it since u ran it during your cycle but u cant store this shit in the cupboard for the next time around