Thoughts on next cycle for friend...

[trinidad]

Any thoughts on this cycle for "my friend"? Hahaha, no it actually is for a friend but I'd like some input on it. Some background on him... 37 years old, 5' 10" 220 lbs. not sure of bf % but it's pretty low. He has lifted naturally for a good 15 years and has a good muscular physique, trains regularly and eats good. Most people thought he was a juicer for a long time. So.....for his first cycle he tried 10 wks. of Nile sust @ 500 mgs. e5d. He gained nothing, had no increased sex drive, no nut shrinkage, etc. He was disappointed so he was ready to try again. His goal by the way was a little more strength and about 10 lbs. Next cycle was QV test cyp/eq @ 450/400. No weight gain but some vascularity. Seems that test doesn't really work too good for him but the 3rd cycle was going to be deca so test in the mix as well. test enan/deca @ 500/450. He put on a solid 15 lbs., went from 205 to 220. PCT was nolva and he kept the gains. Nows hes hooked. Brings me to this....what to suggest to him for his next cycle? I was thinking about this:
1-10 test enan @ 500 ew
5-12 tren @ 75 eod
1-5 dbol @ 20-30 ed
PCT after last tren shot.

Any thoughts or changes?

 

[idcbp]

I like the cycle myself. Only suggestion I have is that he play the tren dosage by feel. Alot of guys are happy with 75 eod, but I found 55 ed was ideal. He has 7 weeks to adjust, I just think guys get too set in stone with the cycle. The basics of it are solid though. Only other question I had was on the eth. I thought it needed 3+ weeks to clear? I like the running the tren, quick in quick out, right to the end so yu can get right into pct with no decline time. I'm doing the same with dbol. I'm running dbol into tren and back to dbol with a base of test. The switch to tren from the dbol is interesting. Weight stayed static which meant I was still gaining b/c bloat was lost and replaced with muscle. Look was harder and strength went up at a faster pace on the tren than the dbol. Also lost the dbol drowsiness which I always have to fight. First real tren experience and I think its ideal for serious cutting. Anyhow, I think its a solid cycle bro your friend has the necessary experience to enjoy it.

 

[trinidad]

Yeah maybe I'll suggest to him tren at 50 ed. Thanks!

 

[bicepts101]

i like the cycle...but the only thing that i would change IF i was going to change anything, would be the tren...you said deca worked great....i know what u are thinking and he should get success but just a thought

 

[trinidad]

i like the cycle...but the only thing that i would change IF i was going to change anything, would be the tren...you said deca worked great....i know what u are thinking and he should get success but just a thought

I appreciate the input...what would you use instead of tren?

 

[bicepts101]

I appreciate the input...what would you use instead of tren?

well since deca worked so good the first time around, i say, why stop a good thing?..... ya know? go with deca again or even NPP

 

[BigAndy69]

Cycle is NOT all that great.

The tren extends past the Test for 2 weeks at the end of the cycle. Not a good idea for many reasons. I would consider running Test all the way through.

If he did well on his Deca cycle, I would suggest NPP.

 

[trinidad]

Cycle is NOT all that great.

The tren extends past the Test for 2 weeks at the end of the cycle. Not a good idea for many reasons. I would consider running Test all the way through.

If he did well on his Deca cycle, I would suggest NPP.

Andy, I thought since test enanthate has a longer half life then tren it should be stopped sooner so PCT can start? Do you think the test and tren should end together and if so, when should post start?
I suggested NPP to him but since he just came off deca he wanted to try something different for this cycle. Open to suggestions......
I'm going to be trying NPP myself, what doses do you recommend? I was thinking 200 e3d?

 

[Apexx]

Cycle is NOT all that great.

The tren extends past the Test for 2 weeks at the end of the cycle. Not a good idea for many reasons. I would consider running Test all the way through.

If he did well on his Deca cycle, I would suggest NPP.

B.A., why would you want to run the test all the way out to the end? Then you are just sitting around waiting to start pct for two weeks.

A better idea might be to run the test up through week 11 and start pct 3 days after last tren shot. Both the test and the tren will have reached their respective half lives at pretty much the same time. What do you think?

 

[BigAndy69]

Tren is the toughest AS to come off of. That's why I generally recommend Tren be used at the start of a cycle.

It would be a good idea for him to stop enanthate week 9 and add Test Prop W10-13 hot PCT right away.

A good dose for NPP is 200mg E3D

 

[bicepts101]

Tren is the toughest AS to come off of. That's why I generally recommend Tren be used at the start of a cycle.

It would be a good idea for him to stop enanthate week 9 and add Test Prop W10-13 hot PCT right away.

A good dose for NPP is 200mg E3D

this is why i always suggest ending a cycle on a oral..preferably winstrol