Thoughts on cycle

[Reinheart]

Hey bros, just wanted to know what everyone thinks about my cycle plan... It's going to be my first actuall cycle and i want to know how i react so i'll keep it pretty simple and use just test and d-bol.

It's going to be a bulking cycle and have the option of running 400mgs test c for like 10 weeks or 7 weeks of test prop at 100mgs ed.

I prefer short esters and short cycles as the benefit is greater and the health risk is way lower than when using long esters. I can back this up with several reasons.

I've been working out for 4 years, i am 22-23, i know exactly how i have to eat and i know exactly what works for me and what not in regards of training.
I am 5'11, 180lbs and pretty much around 12-13%bf. I would say i am more of an ecto-mesomorph because i don't gain very little fat no matter what i eat and i have the tedency to pack on muscle and get pumps in a pretty satysfying amount. I am also very strong by nature.

180lbs may sound little to you guys but it isn't so don't get me started that i am skinny and so on. Yes, if you compare me with the 220lbs monsters, i am skinny but that's not what i seek anyway. When i first began training i was about 130-140lbs and i looked fragile so i trust you get the picture.

Cycle 1

Weeks 1-10: 400mgs Test C
Weeks 1-4: 20mgs d-bol ed (i was thinking of adding 20mgs from week 9 to week 12 as well or 35mgs Anavar)
Weeks 1-12: 50mgs Proviron ed
Weeks 3-12: 250iu HCG e4d
Weeks 12-15: 20mgs Nolva

Cycle 2 (I lean more towards this one)

Weeks 1-7: 100mgs test prop eod (Mon, Wed, Fri)
Weeks 4-8: 20-25mgs D-bol
Weeks 3-8: 250iu HCG e4d
Weeks 9-12: 20mgs Nolva
Weeks 1-8: 50mgs Proviron

Thanks in advance!

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[X FRAME]

Why do you wanna take HCG and nolva . Any reasons . Second cycle is better prop and d bol .

 

[Reinheart]

HCG to keep the balls working while on cycle abd thus make post cycle crash "lighter" and to ease recovery and nolva for pct. I think i'll be good with proviron only while on cycle but i have a-dex on hand in case i need it.

 

[joe d]

Hey bros, just wanted to know what everyone thinks about my cycle plan... It's going to be my first actuall cycle and i want to know how i react so i'll keep it pretty simple and use just test and d-bol.

It's going to be a bulking cycle and have the option of running 400mgs test c for like 10 weeks or 7 weeks of test prop at 100mgs ed.

I prefer short esters and short cycles as the benefit is greater and the health risk is way lower than when using long esters. I can back this up with several reasons.

I've been working out for 4 years, i am 22-23, i know exactly how i have to eat and i know exactly what works for me and what not in regards of training.
I am 5'11, 180lbs and pretty much around 12-13%bf. I would say i am more of an ecto-mesomorph because i don't gain very little fat no matter what i eat and i have the tedency to pack on muscle and get pumps in a pretty satysfying amount. I am also very strong by nature.

180lbs may sound little to you guys but it isn't so don't get me started that i am skinny and so on. Yes, if you compare me with the 220lbs monsters, i am skinny but that's not what i seek anyway. When i first began training i was about 130-140lbs and i looked fragile so i trust you get the picture.

Cycle 1

Weeks 1-10: 400mgs Test C
Weeks 1-4: 25-50mgs d-bol
Weeks 1-12: 50mgs Proviron ed
Weeks 4-12: 250iu HCG e4d
Weeks 12-15: 20mgs Nolva

Cycle 2 (I lean more towards this one)

Weeks 1-8: 100mgs test prop eod (just do eod)
Weeks 1-4: 25-50mgs D-bol
Weeks 3-8: 250iu HCG e4d
Weeks 9-12: 20mgs Nolva
Weeks 1-8: 50mgs Proviron

Thanks in advance!

^^

 

[thebigoz]

First cycle? I would take Test-C only. With the right diet and training, you could make big gains just on the Test.

Why are you taking Proviron?!...

Nolva is NOT a PCT. You need to look into getting some real PCT products that are designed to help you recover. Take a look at Post-Cycle / Unleashed / Sustain (The stack is great) etc

I prefer short esters and short cycles as the benefit is greater and the health risk is way lower than when using long esters. I can back this up with several reasons.

Please do back it up. I would like to hear you reasoning. Especially about the 'lower health risk'.

 

[bjc227]

nolva pct should be 40/40/20/20 and throw in some tribulus

 

[joe d]

with the young age and compounds added to the cycle the pct he has planned is probably good. always better safe though. i would keep some more nolva on hand incase its needed

 

[wolfman87]

go with the test c for your first cycle. it's a lot easier.

 

[Reinheart]

First cycle? I would take Test-C only. With the right diet and training, you could make big gains just on the Test.

Why are you taking Proviron?!...

Nolva is NOT a PCT. You need to look into getting some real PCT products that are designed to help you recover. Take a look at Post-Cycle / Unleashed / Sustain (The stack is great) etc



Please do back it up. I would like to hear you reasoning. Especially about the 'lower health risk'.

There are several reasons why i want to have Proviron on cycle. The most important reason is that it allows for more free testosterone to circulate in the body and another good reason is that it partially stops the conversion of steroids to estrogen.

I don't disagree with your thoughts on PCT but clen, nolva and zma, maybe even some tribulus isn't going to huer either since i live in Europe and i don't have access to the products you mentioned.

There is no point in running a cycle for more that 8-10 weeks because cortisol levels go out of control, let alone most people report that their gains stop around weeks 8-9.

This means that someone can achieve leaner, more maintanable gains which will come faster without having to walk around with a fucked up lipid profile and elevated estrogen (which isn't good at all for the prostate) for 3 months or more.

If someone's going to run a 12 week cycle, and the 4 four weeks are the time required for the drug to kick in, why not use a smaller overall weekly dosage of test prop and get the same results without having to cycle for an extra month...? I think it makes perfect sense.

Not to mention that a drug with a short ester is easier to control when it comes to sides and that recovery is going to be a lot easier. Add hcg there and the post cycle crush isn't going to be that intense.

It also allows for more cycles per year and the weight gain on these cycles is healthier than the weight gained in the longer cycles. It's healthier to gain 10-15 pounds and keep most of it rather that gain 25-30 pounds and maintain 20 of it.

All and all, i can't see why everyone keeps bashing test prop when it comes to bulking. Test is test, all that changes is the ester. Shorter cycles are safer and more productive in the long run. I guess people avoid them because of the frequened injections needed...

PS: I forgot to mention that someone can use a lower overall amount of mg when it comes to short esters because they contain more of the actual steroid as opposed to medium and long chained esters.

 

[Reinheart]

Bump

 

[Reinheart]

Anyone else.....?

 

[jacked55]

Do sust as instead of the cyp or prop, will yield much better gains