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lilperronis
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i am only 17 and it came in my head one day to join b/c i grew up around a army and navy family
thought about joining the NAVY
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Drunken_Weasel
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DONT JOIN THE NAVY, I had a friend who just got back.. He wanted to go in.. big time.. nobody could get him to change his mind.. but.. once he got there.. they were trying to screw him over bad. He had to pretend to be insane, to get out.. they tried screwing him out of all his college money, and sticking him as a Undesignated sailor.
Drunken_Weasel
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WizKid25 said:im currently a senior in HS and am thinking about the naval academy or airforce... but its a little too late...
have to get recomendations from senators and all.
out of your two choices, id say Go Airforce.
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Longhorn85
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minion said:
I don't think he said that. Wizkid it's not too late if you want to go to an academy. Go to a local college for your first year, make good grades, participate in some extracurricular activites, and apply again. If you would be competitive as a high school senior, you still will be.
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manny78 said:
I don't like it when people give uninformed opinions. You shouldn't characterize life as an enlisted man as miserable, onthe contrary. Life as a career soldier is a good one. Some of the most professional and happy guys I have ever worked with in the Army are Sergeants. There is NOTHING wrong with going that route. Nothing at all, in fact one should be proud. Less than 6% of the US population have ever served in the armed forces, so serving in ANY capacity is something to be proud of.
My recommendation to Wizkid was based on his stated desire to attend an academy. That is of course not the only way to serve. You can go to a regular college and then get commissioned or enlist right after high school.
Y_lifter
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Sure, as a NonCom you will be ordered around by NCO's and told what to do on a Min by Min Basis about 90% of the time.
If you are OK with TAKING direction and not giving it you will be OK. You will be treated with respect for the most part except for a few dips.
Enlisted is a No Pressure position, just follow orders and say Sir a lot.
If you are uncomfortable with being told what to do unquestioningly, don't go in as a E1 - 5.
You will probably be unhappy and bitching about being told what to do all the time.
The Military knows that the NCO's and Enlisted really are the people that make it all work.
The Officers are there for coordination leadership and paperwork approval.
Using the above, decide if you want to go straight in, get an AA and go in as an E2-3 or get a degree and go to OCS and a commission.
The Navy and Air force usually provide the best opportunity for continuing formal collage education while serving.
If you are OK with TAKING direction and not giving it you will be OK. You will be treated with respect for the most part except for a few dips.
Enlisted is a No Pressure position, just follow orders and say Sir a lot.
If you are uncomfortable with being told what to do unquestioningly, don't go in as a E1 - 5.
You will probably be unhappy and bitching about being told what to do all the time.
The Military knows that the NCO's and Enlisted really are the people that make it all work.
The Officers are there for coordination leadership and paperwork approval.
Using the above, decide if you want to go straight in, get an AA and go in as an E2-3 or get a degree and go to OCS and a commission.
The Navy and Air force usually provide the best opportunity for continuing formal collage education while serving.
ttlpkg said:
I know what I'm talking about. And yes it's miserable. In many ways. I saw some of my friends going in the Canadian army with HS only at 17. It was fun for a while but then they realized the opportunities they missed. Being an officer is so different. I did my basic training in the army. But then I just got fuck outta there. Completed my degree in law, hit the bar school. There's always something better over you. Thing is, sometimes you reach it and sometimes you can't. In this case, this member has the opportunity to reach it. I wouldn't suggest to anyone to join the army (at least not the Canadian's) but if you do so, be smart.
Longhorn85
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Y_Lifter said:
Everyone in the service has a boss who he takes orders from. From the highest ranking General down to the lowest private. Before you can lead, you can follow.
Your characterization of officers is wrong. Is it based on experience or observation?
The service is a great career choice, or for just a few years if that's your desire. It is obviously not for everyone.
Manny, I cannot speak for the Canadian forces, but I know it is a far inferior force in terms of professionalism, capability and morale compared to the US.
Y_lifter
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Originally posted by ttlpkg
Everyone in the service has a boss who he takes orders from. From the highest ranking General down to the lowest private.
And the higher you are in the Chain, the higher the pressure and risk but also the more folks below you to delegate to.
Your characterization of officers is wrong. Is it based on experience or observation?
Experience in USAF and Conversations with my Father with 29yrs in the Navy from E1 to CPO.
ttlpkg-Are you stating that you believe that there are not a FEW power hungry Officers that abuse the rank?
The service is a great career choice, or for just a few years if that's your desire. It is obviously not for everyone.
Very true.. Most that do poorly do not take to being told what to do or where to live, hence my comments. The days of expected poor treatment of Enlisted men is gone. But you still will lose some of your daily freedoms and ability to blow off a superior
Everyone in the service has a boss who he takes orders from. From the highest ranking General down to the lowest private.
And the higher you are in the Chain, the higher the pressure and risk but also the more folks below you to delegate to.
Your characterization of officers is wrong. Is it based on experience or observation?
Experience in USAF and Conversations with my Father with 29yrs in the Navy from E1 to CPO.
ttlpkg-Are you stating that you believe that there are not a FEW power hungry Officers that abuse the rank?
The service is a great career choice, or for just a few years if that's your desire. It is obviously not for everyone.
Very true.. Most that do poorly do not take to being told what to do or where to live, hence my comments. The days of expected poor treatment of Enlisted men is gone. But you still will lose some of your daily freedoms and ability to blow off a superior
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TxArmyGuy
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You want to do something other then just getting bitched at for being a grunt...Dont go Infantry...Sure it's a good job and I have plenty of friends who enjoy it, but I sure as hell know more people who hate being in the infantry then I do that hate doing anything else.
that is the 2nd biggest recomendation I can make for someone thinking about the army. With the 1st being Dont sign that contract UNLESS EVERYTHING!!!I SAY AGAIN EVERYTHING!!!YOU WANT whether it's a bonus, job you want, base choice, training schools(Airborne, airassault, pathfinder) whatever you want you make sure they put it in and make sure your Recruiter no matter what branch is going to go out of their way to get it so you will sign...IF they were a good recruiter they would, because if your happy and getting what you want then chances are your friends will go to them as well
as far as the officer route. I recomend going for it. I wont stay in unless I can become an officer. I have more education already then any of my bosses directly over me. I already know more about the computer and networking aspect of my job then them...Yet I'm still the E-3
so Explore all options, get some skills hopefully find something you like to do and go for what makes you happy
that is the 2nd biggest recomendation I can make for someone thinking about the army. With the 1st being Dont sign that contract UNLESS EVERYTHING!!!I SAY AGAIN EVERYTHING!!!YOU WANT whether it's a bonus, job you want, base choice, training schools(Airborne, airassault, pathfinder) whatever you want you make sure they put it in and make sure your Recruiter no matter what branch is going to go out of their way to get it so you will sign...IF they were a good recruiter they would, because if your happy and getting what you want then chances are your friends will go to them as well
as far as the officer route. I recomend going for it. I wont stay in unless I can become an officer. I have more education already then any of my bosses directly over me. I already know more about the computer and networking aspect of my job then them...Yet I'm still the E-3
so Explore all options, get some skills hopefully find something you like to do and go for what makes you happy
Longhorn85
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minion said:
They are synonymous. Non-Commissioined Officer = NCO = Noncom = Sergeant or Corporal
Longhorn85
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I see now, it flew directly over my head
Right now I'm stationed on a Marine carrier. LHD2 USS Essex. So I see all kinds of Bull Shit. There is no such thing as an "Army of one". Neither does this exist in any other branch. No one man is better than another because of the branch he chose. Make your choice based on YOUR goals. Short term, mid term, and long term.
After almost 7yrs. of being in the Navy what I know to be fact is everyone bitches from time to time, and to be honest its more often than not. Even the officers. (except they're taught to do their pissing and moaning in the company of other commisioned officers)
Fact the military is not for everyone.
Some branches are more "physical" and others are generally more cerebral.
http://www.cpf.navy.mil/imagery/images/010509essexleadtt01temp-med.jpg
After almost 7yrs. of being in the Navy what I know to be fact is everyone bitches from time to time, and to be honest its more often than not. Even the officers. (except they're taught to do their pissing and moaning in the company of other commisioned officers)
Fact the military is not for everyone.
Some branches are more "physical" and others are generally more cerebral.
http://www.cpf.navy.mil/imagery/images/010509essexleadtt01temp-med.jpg
Y_lifter
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Looks like we agree that the GI life is great for some, OK for a little while for some and definitely NOT for others...
There are great people in charge and a few not so great that you will encounter. Same thing wherever you go in life right ?
It was a great few years for me and I grew up fast.
Saw a bit of the US and got to ride around in planes after the cargo was loaded..
Made some great friends and learned how to deal with adversity.
My utmost respect for the GI lifers... It can be a demanding lifestyle especially for a family.
As a Navy brat, I can attest to that one for sure...
At a Minimum I would recommend getting an AA before joining up so your duty, pay and rating won't be the Minimum going in..
There are great people in charge and a few not so great that you will encounter. Same thing wherever you go in life right ?
It was a great few years for me and I grew up fast.
Saw a bit of the US and got to ride around in planes after the cargo was loaded..
Made some great friends and learned how to deal with adversity.
My utmost respect for the GI lifers... It can be a demanding lifestyle especially for a family.
As a Navy brat, I can attest to that one for sure...
At a Minimum I would recommend getting an AA before joining up so your duty, pay and rating won't be the Minimum going in..
lilperronis
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well like i said i am only 17 and write after i wrote this post and i called my dad up in indiana and i told him i wanted to join the navy and he said he will NOT sign for me
