thinking about a pro-hormone stack, ... thoughts

[bjmurray]

Hello All,

I have been reading the boards here for some time, have a supplement related questions I wasn't able to find via the search function.

I am 30, have been training on and off for about 8 years, but consistently for about 18 months. I had shoulder surgery about 2 years ago, and have been forced to modify some of my workouts accordingly. Goal is to grow, I would like to get to 210-215. Stats below, then a question:

6'0''
190 lbs
approx 10% bf right now (I have been on a bulk for 6 weeks from 182lbs)

Bench - 275 x 6
Deadlift - 315 x 3
Squat - 275 x 6

current Split
M-Chest / Front and Anterior Delts / Abs
T - Back / Rear Delts
W- Off
T - Legs / Abs
F - Bis/ Tris/ Forarms / Rotator Cuff rehab
S-off
Su- Off

SUPPS:

Basic One a day Multi
Animal Pump Pre-workout
Anabolic Window Post Workout Recovery
ON - Pro Complex Protein (couple servings per day)

DIET:

Minimum 6 meals a day - eating everything in sight
Minimum 200 grams of protein per day (food and Pro-Complex)

OKAY, thats the background - here is the question -

I have always been 100% natural, and plan to stay that way. Having said that, I have been doing considerable research lately about some of the new generation of prohormones currently available and legal on the market. I realize that many of these are designed to mirror the effects of older generartion PH which have been banned. I was wondering if some of you who have experimented with currently availabel PH products, (3-AD, HAVOC, etc.) could give some feedback to someone in my position.

What I would hope to get out of these products would be quicker recovery time increased size, weight, hardness, etc.

thoughts...

 

[Just Add Muscle]

RPN Havoc is a very good designer and so is the new product we have available called monsterdrol for size gains.These are not ment to be like the old pro hormones that were banned.The new products are much better and less harsh on the body.

 

[dabuffguy]

You could get away with stacking two methylated compunds along with one non-methylated compound.

for example, Havoc, cyclo tren and monsterdrol,

or pheraplex, havoc, cyclotren

Or what I am doing, h-drol(halodrol50) and havoc with cyclotren. Yum!!

 

[ajaygill]

throwing this out there, but was wrong with an M1t cycle, as long as you can get the nolva, can't you gain a a lot of size off that?

 

[dabuffguy]

Hello All,

I have been reading the boards here for some time, have a supplement related questions I wasn't able to find via the search function.

I am 30, have been training on and off for about 8 years, but consistently for about 18 months. I had shoulder surgery about 2 years ago, and have been forced to modify some of my workouts accordingly. Goal is to grow, I would like to get to 210-215. Stats below, then a question:

6'0''
190 lbs
approx 10% bf right now (I have been on a bulk for 6 weeks from 182lbs)

Bench - 275 x 6
Deadlift - 315 x 3
Squat - 275 x 6

current Split
M-Chest / Front and Anterior Delts / Abs
T - Back / Rear Delts
W- Off
T - Legs / Abs
F - Bis/ Tris/ Forarms / Rotator Cuff rehab
S-off
Su- Off

SUPPS:

Basic One a day Multi
Animal Pump Pre-workout
Anabolic Window Post Workout Recovery
ON - Pro Complex Protein (couple servings per day)

DIET:

Minimum 6 meals a day - eating everything in sight
Minimum 200 grams of protein per day (food and Pro-Complex)

OKAY, thats the background - here is the question -

I have always been 100% natural, and plan to stay that way. Having said that, I have been doing considerable research lately about some of the new generation of prohormones currently available and legal on the market. I realize that many of these are designed to mirror the effects of older generartion PH which have been banned. I was wondering if some of you who have experimented with currently availabel PH products, (3-AD, HAVOC, etc.) could give some feedback to someone in my position.

What I would hope to get out of these products would be quicker recovery time increased size, weight, hardness, etc.

thoughts...

After looking through your goals more closely, m-drol or monsterdrol (same thing) would fit your goals for size and strength. However, side effects from these have been reported sometimes as pretty harsh. From what I have gathered, it's actually (chemical structure wise) methylated masteron. Gains on this compound have been reported to be lean, and lots of it. Strength goes up a lot and also.

I have seen some cycles of phera first 4 weeks backed with 10mg at week 4 of m-drol stacked with phera, and weeks 5-7 at 20mg of m-drol only. One guy claimed to have gained 20 pounds after PCT and a bench increase of 50 lbs as well on P-phlex and m-drol. Mind you again, he said the side effects were harsh but gains were fantastic. Run a google search for m-drol cycle results/reviews and you will find tons of reviews giving props to good mass and strength on it.

Do some blood work, cuz your blood pressure is going to increase, and watch out for increase liver values and cholesterol.

If this is a first time, I'd stick with something milder, but if you want to be hardcore with a PH, m-drol or any superdrol clone is the one to go with but I don't recommend it for a first.

 

[Just Add Muscle]

After looking through your goals more closely, m-drol or monsterdrol (same thing) would fit your goals for size and strength. However, side effects from these have been reported sometimes as pretty harsh. From what I have gathered, it's actually (chemical structure wise) methylated masteron. Gains on this compound have been reported to be lean, and lots of it. Strength goes up a lot and also.

I have seen some cycles of phera first 4 weeks backed with 10mg at week 4 of m-drol stacked with phera, and weeks 5-7 at 20mg of m-drol only. One guy claimed to have gained 20 pounds after PCT and a bench increase of 50 lbs as well on P-phlex and m-drol. Mind you again, he said the side effects were harsh but gains were fantastic. Run a google search for m-drol cycle results/reviews and you will find tons of reviews giving props to good mass and strength on it.

Do some blood work, cuz your blood pressure is going to increase, and watch out for increase liver values and cholesterol.

If this is a first time, I'd stick with something milder, but if you want to be hardcore with a PH, m-drol or any superdrol clone is the one to go with but I don't recommend it for a first.

Dabuffguy I see you have seriously been doing your homework bro.K to you.

 

[Just Add Muscle]

Phera plex and superdrol are probably the 2 biggest mass gainers out there.They can also give the most sides.I have ran superdrol in the past with much success and few sides but I am one of those people thats lucky enough to not get sides from anything.I also never get colds or get sick from anything.Thank god every day for that.

 

[dabuffguy]

Dabuffguy I see you have seriously been doing your homework bro.K to you.

How else you gonna reach your goals if you don't research this stuff out and learn how to better yourself all the time?

 

[Elementality]

props to JAM n dabuffguy, both got lots of knowledge and are willing to help

 

[dabuffguy]

props to JAM n dabuffguy, both got lots of knowledge and are willing to help

admittedly, I'm pretty new to the prohormones. I have a deeper understanding of the "real" aas drugs and how to use/deal with them than the prohormones, but I'm gonna gives these all a shot.

 

[bjmurray]

thanks to all, I appreciate your willingness to help, I will do some research on m-drol... may have some questions and will return to this thread to post.

Again, thanks for taking the time to help...