The two funniest part of the debate!!!!

[AAP]

#1 The Shrub Shuffle.
When asked on the second or third question "Mr President, 2 minutes, Vice President Dick Cheney said recently that should Senator Kerry be elected President it will very likely cause us to be struck here at home again. Do you agree with that statement?'

Bush - " Umm... well... ahhhh.... first let me say this about Iraq... blah blah blah blah..... and then we have North Korea, blah blah blah blah blah...."

Bitch never even TOUCHED on the question, let alone made an effort to answer it.

#2 Rudy-Poo gets his ass owned by the interviewer.

Interviewer asks Rudy what he thinks of Iraq being the miscalculated and mistakes made.

Rudy (goes into rant) "How can YOU say that? How can YOU say anything about these terrorists? YOU were not in NYC on 9-11. YOU were not in Washington DC on 9-11. YOU were not in Penns. on 9-11. YOU.."

Interviewer interupting "no I wasn't. and neither was anyone from Iraq either."

Rudy "Yeah... well... uuuuhhhhhhhhh.... you have to remember saddam...."


Boy was he pathetic. Good lord, while trying to beat his chest for bushie, he missed and ended up with a black eye.

 

[WODIN]

Rudy's political currency is devaluing by the second.

 

[AAP]

Assuming he had stock in the first place.

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

lmao....Rudy obviously shares the same mentality as the Dubya admin-thinking the american public in general are a bunch of fucking retards who can't add 1+1.Amazingly enough,many fit that bill.

 

[Hengst]

perhaps the first cracks in the 9/11 = Saddam associations. Tons of people still believe they are related. Truth is Iraq and war on terrorism were 2 seperate issues.

 

[PatsFan34]

This is the first time I ever watched a Presidental debate. Kerry made some damn good points, and it seemed that Bush just kept repeating himself, "it's hard work"! No shit war is hard work, that's why it's called "War". For the longest time I could've cared less about politics, but for some reason the race has got me hooked!!!

 

[jestros]

You missed the funniest bit.
Kerry tells a little story about how James Baker talked shrub into changing his mind, and says "my opponents campain has a word for that" they showed shrubs reaction and it looked like he just swallowed a lemon!

 

[Hengst]

This is the first time I ever watched a Presidental debate. Kerry made some damn good points, and it seemed that Bush just kept repeating himself, "it's hard work"! No shit war is hard work, that's why it's called "War". For the longest time I could've cared less about politics, but for some reason the race has got me hooked!!!

Good for you !!

This election is too important not to take an interest in, do some research, become informed and make your decision. Bush or Kerry. It's up to you.

(now get ready for the neo-cons and brainwashed bush lovers to bombard you with their indefensible positions)

 

[PatsFan34]

Funny thing is, I was all for Bush. But Kerry made good points like a I said.

Funniest thing Bush said, "The most consistant thing about my opponent is him being inconsistant"! I laughed my balls off after that!!!

 

[rnch]

the current debates remind me of the 1960 debates i read about in various history classess.......President Kennedy ws thought of as a rich man's boy, too callow and softto lead our country; Nixon was thought of as a worthy successor to the popular then president eisenhower.

in the televised debates ( never done before on tv), Kennedy's style, poise, intelligence and overall persoanlity contrasted to nixon's fumbling, stammering, shambling delivery.

i am surprised bush's spin doctors allowed him to agree to these debates.

 

[coverguy]

You are all so stupid that you fail to grasp the reality of the war on TERROR! PLEASE NOTE, i did not say WAR ON BIN LADEN, or WAR ON AL QAEDA, or even WAR ON TALIBAN! NO, i said WAR ON TERROR!!! As in terrorism; as in all those who support, commit acts of or harbor perpetrators of such acts. Afghanistan, the taliban and Bin Laden are of course the easiest bunch to target (because of their involvement in 9/11) and were the first to be addressed. However, the combination of those three do not call for the utilization of our entire military. On the contrary, at this point they call for a very small, highly trained portion. With that being the case, it was time to turn to others who posed a threat to US safety. Let me say this, THERE IS NO DENYING SADDAM HUSSEIN'S LINK TO TERRORISM. None. Try and prove me wrong, because you can't. His financial support of suicide bombers is very public knowledge, as are his attempts to have a former president of the US assassinated. On top of that, he had in him possession military instruments that were denied to him via UN sanctions. These could easily have been passed on to others. Some of these include NVG's and long-range (i believe over 90 miles) missiles. There is also no denying the acts of genecide he has committed against the Kurds. Saddam and pre-war Iraq are a critical piece of the WAR ON TERROR for these reasons.

 

[rnch]

cg.....there are decaffinated brands out there on the supermarket shelves that have the full, rich flavor of the usual caffine laded coffee that you obviosuly must be injesting by the gallons.

take a chill pill, dude!!!!!!

please try some decaf and get back to us.

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

Coverguy-That's all fine and dandy,but-Why is it that IRAQ-Which had NOTHING to do with the attack of 911 has taken 10 times more presidence and priority over AFGHANISTAN and SAUDI ARABIA,which were the DIRECT masterminds behind killing 3,000 of our civilians?The biggest enemies are still running around free,ready to plot their next assault,and we're bumbling around in a country who whether they harbored terrorists or not,HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.THIS IS THE PROBLEM,and I would like to see YOU answer it.

 

[Hengst]

THERE IS NO DENYING SADDAM HUSSEIN'S LINK TO TERRORISM. None. Try and prove me wrong, because you can't. His financial support of suicide bombers is very public knowledge, as are his attempts to have a former president of the US assassinated. On top of that, he had in him possession military instruments that were denied to him via UN sanctions. These could easily have been passed on to others. Some of these include NVG's and long-range (i believe over 90 miles) missiles. There is also no denying the acts of genecide he has committed against the Kurds. Saddam and pre-war Iraq are a critical piece of the WAR ON TERROR for these reasons.

1. there is no connection between 9-11 arttack on America and Saddam/Iraq. Even the 9/11 commission determined this.
2. The suicide bombers' families Saddam provided money to were in Isreal-Palestine. Here you admit the real reason we are at war there - Isreal's defense.
3. The USA has also successfully and unsuccessfully assassinated foriegn leaders. Salvator Allende in Chili was a successful CIA hit. The PM of Iran (prior to the shah) was a successful CIA hit. Both of them were freely elected in democratic elections. Castro was an unsuccessful CIA hit.
4. those military instruments you speak of wewre supplied to Saddam by the USA !! during the Iraq-Iran wars of the 1980's.
5. Saddam did not committ genocide he committed MASS MURDER by gassing the Kurds. There are plenty of mass murderers in power around the world we do nothing about.

Conclusion?
Your arguements are specious (look it up if you do not know the meaning) and therefore invalid.

 

[Hengst]

Also notice I never called YOU stupid.

 

[john937]

I thought Kerry made a really strong point that Iraq was a mistake when he pointed out that we now can't respond in Darfur -
Before the war, Iraq was 2/3 a no-fly zone.
Sadam was bad, but we had Saddam contained.
Now we're at war in Iraq, we can't respond in Darfur, cause we're overextended.
So, in other words, if any rouge country wants to do anything bad to anyone else,
"Now Is The Time To Do It!".
I feel so much safer.

 

[AAP]

waiting for Coverguy's rant....errr I mean response.

 

[bran987]

Assuming he had stock in the first place.

After he stepped down as mayor I believe he was getting $100k per speech/appearance

 

[GoldenDelicious]

You are all so stupid that you fail to grasp the reality of the war on TERROR! PLEASE NOTE, i did not say WAR ON BIN LADEN, or WAR ON AL QAEDA, or even WAR ON TALIBAN! NO, i said WAR ON TERROR!!! As in terrorism; as in all those who support, commit acts of or harbor perpetrators of such acts. Afghanistan, the taliban and Bin Laden are of course the easiest bunch to target (because of their involvement in 9/11) and were the first to be addressed. However, the combination of those three do not call for the utilization of our entire military. On the contrary, at this point they call for a very small, highly trained portion. With that being the case, it was time to turn to others who posed a threat to US safety. Let me say this, THERE IS NO DENYING SADDAM HUSSEIN'S LINK TO TERRORISM. None. Try and prove me wrong, because you can't. His financial support of suicide bombers is very public knowledge, as are his attempts to have a former president of the US assassinated. On top of that, he had in him possession military instruments that were denied to him via UN sanctions. These could easily have been passed on to others. Some of these include NVG's and long-range (i believe over 90 miles) missiles. There is also no denying the acts of genecide he has committed against the Kurds. Saddam and pre-war Iraq are a critical piece of the WAR ON TERROR for these reasons.

thats one way to look at it. another way to look at it is to ask why these terrorists are doing what they are doing. sure, a bunch of them are going to be nutcases/psychos/fanatics. fine. but most of them, i suspect, are just a bunch of ordinary guys who have been motivated by injustices to perform extreme acts.

at the end of the day, if you want to defeat 'terrorism', you have to make the world a better place, and foster an environment in which fewer people are subjected to injustices taht will make them hate other people.

going to iraq and killing a lot of civilians is not how to do that. if i was an iraqi and some 18 year old american in a tank killed my family and labelled it "collateral damage" or called it "unfortunate", id certainly do things taht would make you guys think of me as a terrorist. and id be toally in the right.

think, dammit! cause and effect. look for the root cause of things before you open your yap

cheers

 

[ChefWide]

think, dammit! cause and effect. look for the root cause of things before you open your yap

I have always loved you.

 

[mekannik]

the current debates remind me of the 1960 debates i read about in various history classess.......President Kennedy ws thought of as a rich man's boy, too callow and softto lead our country; Nixon was thought of as a worthy successor to the popular then president eisenhower.

in the televised debates ( never done before on tv), Kennedy's style, poise, intelligence and overall persoanlity contrasted to nixon's fumbling, stammering, shambling delivery.

i am surprised bush's spin doctors allowed him to agree to these debates.

Do some research: Nixon's advisors advised him to NOT do the televised debate, he was recovering from a physical injury and looked tired and peaked. Standing next to a "healthy", and admittedly more handsome, Kennedy sold voters on Kennedy. Most everyone listening to the debate on the radio awarded it to Nixon.


Completely irrelevant analogy.


and as for "proof".............

http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/K/htmlK/kennedy-nixon/kennedy-nixon.htm

In substance, the candidates were much more evenly matched. Indeed, those who heard the first debate on the radio pronounced Nixon the winner. But the 70 million who watched television saw a candidate still sickly and obviously discomforted by Kennedy's smooth delivery and charisma. Those television viewers focused on what they saw, not what they heard. Studies of the audience indicated that, among television viewers, Kennedy was perceived the winner of the first debate by a very large margin.

 

[Burning_Inside]

waiting for Coverguy's rant....errr I mean response.

I think he was rushed to the hospital from caffeine OD.

 

[HS Lifter]

Coverguy= Typical ignorant, "WAR ON TERROR" supporting american.

Shit, maybe he can join chesty...

 

[Subzeero]

You are all so stupid that you fail to grasp the reality of the war on TERROR! PLEASE NOTE, i did not say WAR ON BIN LADEN, or WAR ON AL QAEDA, or even WAR ON TALIBAN! NO, i said WAR ON TERROR!!! As in terrorism; as in all those who support, commit acts of or harbor perpetrators of such acts. Afghanistan, the taliban and Bin Laden are of course the easiest bunch to target (because of their involvement in 9/11) and were the first to be addressed. However, the combination of those three do not call for the utilization of our entire military. On the contrary, at this point they call for a very small, highly trained portion. With that being the case, it was time to turn to others who posed a threat to US safety. Let me say this, THERE IS NO DENYING SADDAM HUSSEIN'S LINK TO TERRORISM. None. Try and prove me wrong, because you can't. His financial support of suicide bombers is very public knowledge, as are his attempts to have a former president of the US assassinated. On top of that, he had in him possession military instruments that were denied to him via UN sanctions. These could easily have been passed on to others. Some of these include NVG's and long-range (i believe over 90 miles) missiles. There is also no denying the acts of genecide he has committed against the Kurds. Saddam and pre-war Iraq are a critical piece of the WAR ON TERROR for these reasons.

First off, all are not stupid, you are complicated. There are thousands of ways you can justify the war in Iraq. You have created one for yourself. we all have opinions that should be respected. Your reasoning is well done, and its persuasive so i will not reject anything you said. But keep one simple fact in mind. The administration that has carried out the countries affairs the way they have, do not justify it the way you do. IMO its scary when someone commits an act with ignorance and people make something else out of it. Its even scarier when its not ignorance. It other words don't be dillusional. Sometimes, when most of the world and atleast half of the population of your country thinks there is something wrong with someone's policies, then you must stop and rethink your opinion.