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anabolicmd
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dragon14 said:
You are probably wrong.
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The Nature Boy said:
LOL!
Thats a good Juan!
the nature boy
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looks more like Jesus Lopez than Jesus Christ
the nature boy
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what do you call two hispanics playing basketball?
Juan on Juan.
Heyyoooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!
Juan on Juan.
Heyyoooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!
The Nature Boy said:
dragon14 said:
oh wise one, what will you tell us next?
latinus_spicticus
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BULLSHIT! Jesus has blonde hair and blue eyes, just go into any Catholic church and you will see. One time I told an ex-gf (who was ultra christian, and at the time was bagging on middle-easterners) that Jesus was a "camel-jockey", and backed it up with historical evidence. She became IRATE and our relationship went downhill faster than you can say heysoos.
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latinus_spicticus said:
Dude! You can't use "evidence" or "logic" when talking about religion unless it's a religion OTHER THAN the one the person you are talking to believes in. Remember: all Muslims are going to Hell... as are Hindus, Taoists, Buddhists... well, that makes up more than half of th world's population right there.
Only Yeshua can save you!!!!
WizKid25 said:This is my jesus...
not cool bro
powerforward
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Yaweh.
Wow. As if the appearance REALLY matters at all.
Jesus was a middle eastern Jew. Of course he was dark skinned.
Jesus was a middle eastern Jew. Of course he was dark skinned.
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MattTheSkywalker said:
Jesus was born and raised among the Israelites of that time. To say that Jesus was a jew is misleading. He was a threat to the jews and they let the Romans execute him even though Pontius Pilate offered to set him free they refused.
anabolicmd said:
where do you get this stuff?? Jews were around 2500 years BC....
Jesus was known as "rebbe" (rabbi) to his followers. It's hebrew word spoken then (as now) by Jews.
Jesus was as much a Jew as any modern day rabbi. He was executed by the Romans because the Romans feared that Jesus was glavanizing Jews against Rome.
Alone among conquered peoples, some Jews had a favorable relationship with Rome,and of all the peoples Rome conquered, Jews were among the toughest.
The line about Rme offering him set free was invented later on, probably by St Augustine around 400AD in order to justify his "jews must be allowed to survive but never thrive" speec, and the church's subsequent doctrine to that effect.
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MattTheSkywalker said:
Jesus spoke Aramaic, not hebrew. And "rebbe"? Was "shekky" already taken, lol?
anabolicmd said:
Thanks smart guy.
The translations come through as "rebbe" (rabbi) which is used to demonstrate that Jesus was in fact a Jew.
The whole myth of the Jews killing Jesus was the backbone of church doctrine for a ong time. The Romans killed him. Emperor Constantine invented Christinaity about 315 AD, and it was important to delineate Christianity from Judaism.
The "benevolence" shown Jesus by Rome was the perfect lie to increase the staying power of Constantine's new invention.
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MattTheSkywalker said:
The jews handed Christ to the Romans, and when Pontius Pilate offered to free him, the jews chose to free Barabbas instead. The Romans pulled the trigger but the jews killed him, or better they had the Romans crucify him.
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anabolicmd said:
Romans 9:5- "of whom (Israel) as concerning the flesh Christ came"
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Anyway, the Bible seems pretty clear on the subject:
". . . of the Jews: Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sin alway: For the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost."
I Thessalonians 2:14-16
"After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: For He would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill Him."
(7:1, 11:53-54)
There are many other passages.
". . . of the Jews: Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sin alway: For the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost."
I Thessalonians 2:14-16
"After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: For He would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill Him."
(7:1, 11:53-54)
There are many other passages.
anabolicmd said:
That, sir, is church propagnda. You'd have to be a Sunday School Valedictorian to believe that shit. Are you a Christian?
Jesus was killed because he was trying to unite various Jewish factions: the essenes, sadduccess and pharisees, and so on.
Roman occupation and the factionalization of the Jewish community is another topic, but it goes hand in hand with the Jewish resistance and the Jews being the only conquered group that knew about regional trade routes to any degree.
Jesus's true aspirations were probably revolution against Rome, or else a political role where the jews would be allowed extensive self-governance.
Have you actually studied this stuff at all?
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Well, I consider myself Christian, yes. And I come from a pro-Israel, pro-zionist family too. My great great uncle was in Dachau with Bruno Kreissky (sp?) who was later chancellor of Austria and actually saved his life by helping him pretend to be an architect. I personally got disillusioned with Israel and Zionists after the recent war against Serbia, but I digress. You can call it propaganda but the bible is very clear about the jews being responsible for Jesus' death. Did they not hand him over, and did they not free him when Pontius Pilate made the offer? Please answer me on that point.
primetime21
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anabolicmd said:
the first passage does not say that jesus was not jewish, just that the jews killed him. A jew can kill a jew.
The second passage merely says that jesus would not go to were jews were because he thought jews would kill him. Again, jews wanting to kill jesus, DOES NOT mean jesus is not jewish.
for example, "moshe, a jew, did not want to go brooklyn for fear jews would kill him." Does that statement mean moshe is not jewish??? that is your solid proof that jesus wasnt jewish? you better be able to do better than that.
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yep, jesus was a jew. was.
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MattTheSkywalker said:
The Jews were looking for a Messiah, and the Messiah prophecies include his coming to conquer and set up his kingdom. So they were looking for a rebel/military ruler. But Jesus saw the prophecies as split in two sections. The first pertaining to his first coming where he offered sacrafice and BECAME DESERVING of being Messiah.
and then the Second Coming where he took on the full mantel of his Messiah powers and set up his kingdom.
Jesus goal in his first coming was NOT revolution.
That's exactly why many of the Jews wanted him killed.
As for whether Jesus was himself a Jew, he was descended of the house of David, King of the Jews, which automatically makes him a member of one of the premier Jewish families.
anabolicmd said:
The Bible and trhe passages in it were under the sole control of one group until 1066. Is it possible....just a little bit...that they changed it to fit their needs? even after the East west split, there church ruled europe unopposed into the 1500's....
The bible is clear about the role of the jews because it is deisgned to separate jews from Christianity. Before Constantine, there was no christianity - it was a sect of Judaism that was gaining momentum as rome splintered into the tetrarchy.
Jesus's oringinal follwoers were jews - they'd have never believe anything of christianity today.
Both the old and new testaments are heavily doctored to represent Roman interests at the time.
john937 said:
read a book
Constantine's Sword
Revolution in Judea
Two of the foremost works on the subject. Then come back with some historical truth.
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