The problem with cycles...Conventional Wisdom

[akathegame]

Everytime I read a post regarding so and so's next cycle I'm struck by one consistent nagging question. Now let me clarify, I'm not talking about the complete donkeys who post cycles that don't even reflect human level intelligence. I ignore those. The ones that concern me are the cycle posts by guys who obviously have researched their asses off and put in the time and effort to do this right. When I see a problem or something I would do differently in these cycles I want to help. This leads me to a theoretical question regarding fundamental cycle progression.

Why increase dosages with each subsequent cycle? The answer seems obvious, but see where I'm coming from. No one will dispute that as you progress you will be forced to increase the amount of gear you use. I'm not disagreeing with this, its a fact, but I question how quickly and uniformly this increased need occurs. When someone posts that they took 500mg last cycle and made great gains, it seems the unquestionable logic is that the next cycle will have to be atleast 750mg (just a dumb example). Now I'm not saying that you don't need the 750mg, but I'm definitely saying that you might grow just as well on 500mg again. I have.

All I'm suggesting is that rather than increasing dosages after you've made great gains, why not run the same dosages? It not like once you write 500mg down in your cycle "blackbook" you'll go straight to heel if you up the dosage. If you've mapped your progress from the last cycle, why not run the same dosages and track your progress in comparison? If you're not seeing the gains up the juice. However, if you do see the gains again, and believe me alot of you will, you will have saved you ass big time. Money is a minor savings and saving your body the pounding is definitely a plus, but the real gain is that you'll have that 750mg to go to when you're gains really have stopped at 500mg.

Get the most out of every last drop of juice bros cuz nobody wants to be pushing 2grams to make 220lbs! Don't sell yourselves short by blindly increasing dosages, make sure you only increase when the gains have slowed. It takes patience, but its worth it.

All you bad boy mega dosers can have at me, I don't care. I value what works. Lip service to hardcore juicing means nada.

 

[lawnsaver]

Great post!! I too am tired of people saying, " I wont grow unless I take a gram of test!!" Well some know and have taken time to come to that conclusion, but most, as you have stated, just right up in dose the very next cycle. I started playing the Iron Game about 6-7 years ago. Well all I can say is I love this game( way of life )!! I started taking a total of 600mg of all gear combined in a week. Now its 6 years later and about 50lbs. I have to say its all muscle because I was the same BF% them as I am now. About 10 cycles later, not 1...I have had to double my total dosage. This cycle is the first cycle where my total week intake has gone above 1000mg. Now for a 250lbs man it is safe to say I probably need that much to grow, but for a 180lbs, 21 year old kid to say I need a gram a week of gear to grow blows my mind.

This thinking is completely flawed. You must change your diet, increase protien to support new muscle, etc. Gear is only 1 factor for growth.

Moderation is the answer! Increased cals and protien is an answer. Increase my weekly intake of gear is a lazy answer!

 

[THE BOUNCER]

very good post, some people should really read this.

 

[Golfer18--old]

This is just my opinion on the breakdown of shit.

Diet 45%
Training and Rest 35%
Anabolics 20%

Diet is key.

 

[bigAragorn]

well put......i am tentatively scheduling my next cycle solely because i only did one AS last time (my first cycle) at only 375 mgs......i am penciling in about 400mgs of test a week with 50 mgs of fina ed yet that would bring the total amount of gear up quite a bit......

 

[lawnsaver]

well put......i am tentatively scheduling my next cycle solely because i only did one AS last time (my first cycle) at only 375 mgs......i am penciling in about 400mgs of test a week with 50 mgs of fina ed yet that would bring the total amount of gear up quite a bit......

You will see impressive gains, BUT... if you would keep the test the same and do 37.5mg of fina ED you are still almost doubling you intake. Again, you are still in moderate doses. Your fist cycle was very mild and I respect that, so this jump is not that big. Do yourself a big favor...really watch your food intake! Keep your diet high in protien and clean. Keep this diet going after you are done. Most dont realize that you must keep your diet stronger after your cycle to maintain new muscle. You have to stay anabolic somehow and if you dont have gear in you, you must do it naturally with protien!!

Good luck!

 

[bigAragorn]

You will see impressive gains, BUT... if you would keep the test the same and do 37.5mg of fina ED you are still almost doubling you intake. Again, you are still in moderate doses. Your fist cycle was very mild and I respect that, so this jump is not that big. Do yourself a big favor...really watch your food intake! Keep your diet high in protien and clean. Keep this diet going after you are done. Most dont realize that you must keep your diet stronger after your cycle to maintain new muscle. You have to stay anabolic somehow and if you dont have gear in you, you must do it naturally with protien!!

Good luck!

solid advice bro......duely noted and will keep it in consideration

 

[akathegame]

Glad to hear some bros who see things the same way. I was a little concerned my post might not be well received because it doesn't appeal to anyones machismo and I only have 15 posts. Fact is while by no means am I the most experienced guy here, but I have done more than my share of gear, training, eating, sleeping (staring in the mirror LOL) and more importantly, I am an open minded person who tries to learn as much as I can in pursuit of my passions.

I think the issue of gear volume is actually a symptom of a bigger problem. I think too many guys forget, or never identify what their real goals are. Heavy cycles don't prove you're hardcore. Results prove it. If you're on hardcore cycles and you don't have that 250lb hardcore physique (nice lawn) you are actually the fatherest thing from hardcore because you're limiting your potential for attaining a real deal hardcore build. (oh yeah, 250 is just a number for those of you who aren't quite skyscrapers the number could be different) If your goal is to be the strongest then pursue that, if its to be the best built then pursue that (or both), but I doubt anyones bottomline goal is to use the most gear. That should just be a necessary evil as you bring out the freak.

 

[bigAragorn]

a little open mindedness is hard to come by here LOL

 

[Golden_Muscle]

very good post bro!