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The power of trenbelone....

HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex

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Hey fella's.Dug up a nice little scientific study on some of the activities of tren.Brief summary:Anabolic to androgenic ratio of 2/3,meaning it is doubly as anabolic as test,and 3 times as androgenic.It also shuts down the endocrine system much harder,likely due to that 3 time androgenic capacity.Just thought I'd share this little scientific factoid with my brotha's who love tren...

Pharmacological and endocrinological studies on anabolic agents.

Neumann F.

When used in connection with animal production the term "anabolic agents" covers a wide range. Ther steroidal male and female sex hormones are included in this list, as are the nonsteroidal estrogens. For the clinician and for the endocrinologist, anabolics are only steroids chemically related to testosterone and 19-nortestosterone. Estrogens, though possessing anabolic properties, too, do not belong to this class. This paper will deal with anabolic agents in in the stricter sense of which mainly trenbolone acetate combined with hexestrol has been recommended for bull and heifer fattening. To consider possible consumer injury from ingestion of meat from anabolic agent treated animals, it is necessary to know the pharmacological properties of the agents, the doses producing certain effects or might produce, and the levels of residues in the meat. Trenbolone acetate will be compared with the following anabolic agents: methenolone acetate, methandrostenolone, nandrone, androstanazole, and 19-nortestosterone. The activity spectrum of trenbolone acetate is similar to that of 19-nortestosterone or those anabolics that are derived from 19-nortestosterone. The compound has about three times stronger androgenic effect than testosterone propionate. Its index of dissociation between anabolic/androgenic activity is 2--3. This index is 3--10 for the other anabolic agents. As regards the virilizing potency, trenbolone acetate is also on the top of the list. It seems that androgenicity and degree of virilization run paralle. The antigonadotropic activity (inhibition of ovulation and testicular growth) of trenbolone acetate exceeds that of testosterone propionate by the factor 3. The compound is not estrogenic and seemingly not or only weakly progestationally active. In principle, the androgenic activity (symptoms of virilization) as well as the antigonadotropic effect (disturbances of the menstrual cycle in women, inhibition of spermiogenesis in men) of trenbolone acetate might be noted. This risk, however, can be excluded by mere calculation. In rats, 0.1 mg/kg trenbolone acetate have an antigonadotropic effect. This corresponds to a daily dose of 5--7 mg in humans. By the same extrapolation, a daily human dose of 100 mg can be calculated for androgenic activity. Such factors of conversion are, of course, not precise because rats are much less sensitive to androgens and anabolics than humans. Thus, testosterone propionate is active only in daily doses of 10--20 mg. If in humans trenbolone acetate also has three times the activity of testosterone propionate, effects in man had to be counted with not less than a daily intake of 3--5 mg trenbolone acetate. The dose which is recommended for livestock fattening is 300 mg. IT can, therefore, be excluded almost with certainty that the meat would contain such large amounts of hormone residues.
 
Huck, thanks for the good post. Given the information, what would be your further remarks regarding trenbolone as a bodybuilding AS?

Damn Negma!

Dexter
 
It's the strongest androgen receptor binder on the planet.It has ferocious ant-glucclocorticoid actions,and I have a theory that it is a potent activator of endogenous Prostaglandins(particularly F2a),which give it some terrific lipid burning potential.
 
Uh oh. I guess it's time to pull out my medical dictionary again. :)

I guess it's good stuff, huh?

Again, thanks.

Dex
 
Dexter said:
Uh oh. I guess it's time to pull out my medical dictionary again. :)

I guess it's good stuff, huh?

Again, thanks.

Dex

hehe that's what I was thinking. Looks like fina will have to be the next on my list after I do my first cycle.
 
Get the fuck away from my FINA!!! You...yeah you! Stop looking at my precious fina...lovely, lovely golden honey...mmmmmmfina.

:D
 
so the bottom line is fina is good :) There has to be a way to sxtend the half life of the ester tho... thereby making your own "parabolan." I suck at math and chemistry tho... wish this stuff didn't intrigue me so much. For a guy who has never even done a cycle i sure find myself spedning a hell of a lot of time reading about it and such.:(
 
saint808 said:
... wish this stuff didn't intrigue me so much. For a guy who has never even done a cycle i sure find myself spedning a hell of a lot of time reading about it and such.:(

LOL,it's only a matter of time before the anabolic cherry is broken for you my friend.
 
Sounds quite tempting but at 19 I won't touch it.
I have found the sides from tren to be no worse than anything else. I think all the bad rumors were started by TxLonghorn just to scare people away from his tren :D
 
Zyglamail said:
I have found the sides from tren to be no worse than anything else. I think all the bad rumors were started by TxLonghorn just to scare people away from his tren :D

Agreed. Talk to Fonz - seems like he wwas on for several months with virtually zero sides.
 
Cornholio said:


Agreed. Talk to Fonz - seems like he wwas on for several months with virtually zero sides.


(Go to bottom. Weird split effect on my browser)


Hehe.....No more AAS for me, just Fina.
Does everything I want an AAS to do.
With Proviron, its the perfect combo.

26-weeks(6.5 months) straight.......... ZERO SIDES
Now, I'm at 16 weeks/(maybe 30+ weeks more, who knows)....ZERO
SIDES

Acne: None. I mean its weird. I get less than normal now.
Maybe 1,2/month. Thats it.
I wouldn't even call it acne, just spots.

Incredible nutrient-partitioning effects. Before, if I ate at night
I'd hold water in the morning. Witrh tren, I wake up hard
as a rock with veins everywhere.

Muscle roundness. if you'ever gotten the glycogen comp. effect
from CKD's, it feels EXACTLY the same. Full muscle-bellies
with incredible muscle shape.

I even tried one week(Little experiment) to eat like SHIT.
Just ate Pizza.(I hate fast food btw, I just like WELL MADE
pizza, not the fast food kind).
Well, 5000Kcal/day of just pizza and after a week I had
gained 1.0lbs fat AND 1.5lbs of muscle......LOL
I almost fainted after seeing that.

You want a dieting safety net? Use Fina......!!!! You just
can't go wrong.

The best though is NO WEIGHT GAIN like other AAS so
people don't get suspicious EVER. It just seems
you're getting strong...LOL

Its also painless to inj. I never thought I'd say this(LOL),
but I'm actually starting to look forward to AM injects.....LOL

Bloody cheap to boot too.

Now, Fina+Bromocriptine........wooooooowwwwwww......That tale
will be told in 2 weeks.

Huck, you think Fina has good lipolytic effects? Well then, just
add Bromocriptine at 2.5mgs/day and you'll see DRAMATIC
results.

Prolactin affects prostaglandin production through a negative
feed-back loop involving the bad prostaglandins PGE2.

Can we say,

To be continued........

(Ok, I think I'm overdoing the suspense thing.... :) LOL)

Fonz


(This should be a the top)

All you really have to do is:

1. Drink plenty of water.
2. Take ALA at 1000+mg/day


Vascularity is well.......scary. I'm even freaking myself out.
I also don't believe it increases agression. Thats BS.
The problem stems from the person not the drug.
I'm pretty calm, so it has no effect on me. If you're prone
to angry outbursts, or hyper-activity then don't take it.
That simple. Also makes me VERY strong though.
 
"No weight gain" -- you aren't kidding! I only recently tried tren for the first time. I got a lot stronger, but the scale freaked me out -- I was actualy LOSING weight.

But no matter what was happening to my weight, I looked like a million bucks, so no complaints here!
 
I did 75mg a day for 4 weeks (would have done it longer but at the time a personal issue came up where I had to stop) and then when I got off of it the fat was still melting off (I think there is also a tiny bit of bloat with it and that was going away too, adding to the cutting look and feel). that was only tren.

then I was off for two months and now I am doing 150mg a day. the 75mg a day never bothered me at all - the little pins were cute and I never really felt much in the muscle b/c I did two injections of .5cc bilaterally. this go 'round I'm doing 1cc bilaterally and I'm feeling (duh) far more of a stretch in the muscle/fascia - also (I know I don't really) but I seem to have more f'ing veins and I'm constantly hitting them no matter how careful I am.

I never got any acne, hairloss, or really anything on it with 75mg. at 150mg still no sides like those - like fonz said, my skin actually clears up (then again on cycles I always run 1mg liquidex a day - so it is likely that too). but on 150mg a day I'm noticing far more agression sides. I always thought when people said that it was bullshit - but the way I feel is very different now.
I tried bromocriptine 4 hours before bed - one 2.5mg tab and it made me tired and I woke up groggy and with a headache after a nights rest and was dehydrated. then I read 5mg is the way to go, so I took 5mg... that wasn't a good idea - after 3 nights of that I started getting tired all day and puking... fortunately even puking for a week and not really eating anything, since I was on fina - I didn't lose any weight. now going back to 2.5mg every other night of bromo and will have to try to build up to every night.

adding 100mg of test prop ED starting in a few weeks. and this will be a long cycle - adding in proviron in a month or so.
today is my 18th day and my nuts are slightly smaller, but still getting erections.

I love this stuff.
I also take 50mg dbol 5mins before I leave to workout and in the gym I get so pumped up that it is very painful and I can't move. I will run out of dbol soon enough and then rely on just the fina.

the number on thing to look out for is that you will just keep going up in strength for awhile and you want to make sure you don't overload the joints which aren't going to respond as quickly as your strength increases will.

day one of fina I was at 211, and at day 18 I'm 218. not sure what my bodyfat is - I'm on creatine and have some bloat from that, so I can't really visually judge the bf, I don't trust caliper readings (if you want a better reading, just squeeze harder :)), and my tanita is worthless (it varies between 8-27% in a day).

I would be interested in hearing any ways to deal with bromocriptine so that it doesn't make me tired even after sleeping and also how to avoid the headache and gross semi nausea feeling I get from it even at the low doses and esp at the 5mg.
 
Zyglamail said:
I have found the sides from tren to be no worse than anything else. I think all the bad rumors were started by TxLonghorn just to scare people away from his tren :D


That's true...it's more of a common sense issue for me...and I'm fully aware that I could be completely wrong and that there is a good chance of it, but I figure I'm already walking the line a bit playing with AAS at my age at all, even though I'm almost 20, so something 3x as androgenic as test that shuts your HTPA down that hard is not something I really want to mess with...I figure if I am patient and smart I will be able to juice for a long time and be ok. (Hopefully since I dont plan on quitting anytime soon!)

Right now I have fallen in love with OX, by far my favorite, though test is a lot of fun too, which is what I'm going to be running most likely alongside EQ for my second bulking cycle. Or maybe I'll try just liquidex+test...who knows, me and huck are gonna work on it as soon as I have something to email him. =)
 
I was 21 when I did my first cycle, and it was finaject (the good old days) by itself at 50 mg/day. It is still my favorite 21 years later.
 
Damn,FINAJECT?I never did get my hands on that stuff,but everyone I knew who did basically echoed your sentiments,it was their favorite all time drug.That was top grade parabolan made by a pretty famous lab,correct?
 
Huck, those were the glory days. Everything was legal, the team physician did not have to pretend he was monitoring you for something else (we need to do weekly blood draws to check your H&H or something ridiculous), nobody lied about it, and there was the occasional physician who actually knew what he was talking about.

And yes, it was the finest French export in human history. Even finer that certain wines, with a fine, full bodied flavor that nicely complement so many cuts of beef.

Fina has always been my favorite, and always will be.
 
Oh yes,I am an old timer like you,so I remember those days.Do you remember those Ludwig D-bol tabs that came in the little blue bottles?I practically lived off those bad boys,lol.
 
I vaguely remember them. I never used d-bol, as I always had to stay within a weight class and could not afford the bloat. Plus, I was never a fan of orals with my familiy having a history of liver trouble.

I do remember some frightening sights as women started to experiment with the more androgenic drugs. Made dating female athletes something of an adventure.
 
Question to all the prolactin gurus: can you, please, explaine to me, how tren increases prolactin level?
It doesn't aromatise, doesn't effect dopamine, does Deca increases prolactin also? PR-binding, should, actually, decrease prolactin, so what is the misterious way?
TxL, please, no cursing, lol..
 
panerai said:
TxL, please, no cursing, lol..

lol, sorry about that. I just know from personal experience as well as others who have either posted or emailed me with problems that were solved in some part by adding vitex. I also know that fina + ghb = prolactin. So fina must be doing something along those lines.

Again, I don't sweat the small stuff. And as long as works, the 'why' is small stuff.
 
panerai said:
Question to all the prolactin gurus: can you, please, explaine to me, how tren increases prolactin level?
It doesn't aromatise, doesn't effect dopamine, does Deca increases prolactin also? PR-binding, should, actually, decrease prolactin, so what is the misterious way?
TxL, please, no cursing, lol..

I have that Knowledge.

Now, I'm just going to sit back and see how long iy
takes you guys to figure it out......

Muhaha............

Fonz
 
Fonz said:


I have that Knowledge.

Now, I'm just going to sit back and see how long iy
takes you guys to figure it out......

Muhaha............

Fonz

Do I suspect an evil scientist in the midst..jk

I do not know anything about what either of the two are talking about... but this is definately the most interesting reads I have yet come across of EF Select. I guess that is because Fina is the closest thing to "miracle muscle" yet made....

Didn't mean to interupt the discussion but I couldn't resist... I am on the edge of my seat, and I want to hear the answer!

barnes3
 
Anyone have any results or comments on using Fina and Bromocriptine. I am already taking the Fina and have Bromo tabs lying around and am wondering if I should use them with the Fina.

later
mitch
 
Fonz said:


I have that Knowledge.

Now, I'm just going to sit back and see how long iy
takes you guys to figure it out......

Muhaha............

Fonz

Hm...don't take it as an offence, but I'm very sceptical.
 
panerai said:


Hm...don't take it as an offence, but I'm very sceptical.

I'd be skeptical too... :)

Its right there though. So simple it eludes most people. What I mean is that
we always think of a problem in terms of a complicated explanation,
but in reality its quite simple(Sort of like
the feeling: "Now why didn't I think of that...argghhh!!...LOL". We just
make it sound incredibly complicated.

Fonz
 
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panerai said:


Hm...don't take it as an offence, but I'm very sceptical.

And, its "skeptical" not "sceptical...btw

LOL Its just one of those days where I just need to correct grammar.

No offense meant.

Fonz
 
Fonz said:


And, its "skeptical" not "sceptical...btw

LOL Its just one of those days where I just need to correct grammar.

No offense meant.

Fonz

Thank you.

Anyway, if it's so simple and easy, why won't you lay it out,..... and let us prove you wrong...hehe..
Of course, if you do have that knowledge(?)
 
Well I can say this much taking about 3 droppers full of ghb and 1 2.5mg tab of bromo put me out for the first time. I have never been able to take enough ghb to put me to sleep, that was until I added the bromo. It only took about 45 min and I felt very dizzy, loved it. I am also taking fina/test/winny. I plan on finishing the last 4 weeks of this cycle with the bromo every night and see if it helps with the only miracle I want, getting lean.

later
mitch
 
panerai said:
Yeap, that's what I thought.

LOL Panerai. I would but I can't at the moment.

It woud be illogical to explain it when its in the works to be
explained 3-4 weeks down the line anyways.

Fonz
 
panerai said:
In two weeks from today, right, Fonz?
I'm waiting...:)

Just proved the ALA-theory right now using a simple
mathematical pharmo-dynamic-kinematic approach.

Thats a QED for you.

Fina to follow.

I'm in the Zone so-to-speak these days. Feel
bullet-proof.....LOL

I love being shredded...... :fro: :fro: :fro:

Fonz
 
HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex said:
Damn,FINAJECT?I never did get my hands on that stuff,but everyone I knew who did basically echoed your sentiments,it was their favorite all time drug.That was top grade parabolan made by a pretty famous lab,correct?

pretty damn well so. Made by Hoechst Marion Roussel aka Aventis these days. A multi billion USD company.
 
hey Huck

I know you love Var too. If you had to pick one for adding lean keepable mass, with fewest sides, which would it be?

also, what dose tren about comparable to 20 mg generic var?

thanks
 
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