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the PERFECT CRIME.....

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Who could committ the perfect crime? Is it possible these days with D.N.A.

Maybe a body suit would allow for it..

Advise needed in case I ever do...........:mix:
 
well...if there was a perfect crime, we'd never hear about it...

how many of those considered missing are currently sleeping with the fishes

how many murdered are currently livin it up in brazil with a 33yr old transexual named 'lola'
 
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RyanH,

Your question is hardly difficult to answer. The annals of true crime are filled with "perfect crimes." (I'm assuming that you mean murderers who got to go free.) Here are a few that come to mind:


Jon Benet Ramsey
Jack the Ripper
O.J. Simpson
Jimmy Hoffa
The Black Dahlia
Sal Mineo
Chandra Levy



Need I go on?
 
May1010 said:
RyanH,

Your question is hardly difficult to answer. The annals of true crime are filled with "perfect crimes." (I'm assuming that you mean murderers who got to go free.) Here are a few that come to mind:


Jon Benet Ramsey
Jack the Ripper
O.J. Simpson
Jimmy Hoffa
The Black Dahlia
Sal Mineo
Chandra Levy



Need I go on?

Well Chandra Levy is still yet to be shown to be the "Perfect Crime." I do think its safe to say that "Ramsey" murder was definitely a perfect crime. However, I disagree with you on the Simpson case as being a perfect crime. To me, a perfect crime occurs when there is still some mystery left as to who did it, but from the standpoint that it was the perfect crime b/c one got away with it..........Simpson is definitely correct.

WHAT ABOUT THE BOSTON STRANGLER....
 
Well, I might be adding Chandra to the list prematurely, but I'll stand by the rest. Although, like you, I'm convinced O.J. did it, it was never proved (in a criminal court).

As for the Boston Strangler, I think De Salvo admitted to it and died during the 1970s while in prison. However, from what I've read in recent years on the case, De Salvo was insane (duh!) and admitted guilt because he enjoyed the attention. The real strangler was an Egyptian guy but I can't remember the name (Nazir?) ...

What are your thoughts?
 
Most people believe that Salvo didn't do it....he lied to get media attention.

He was going to tell the real story, later on, but If I remember correctly he died before he was able to.
 
So May, if you were going to committ the perfect crime, would you do it or hire a hit man.

And no I'm not really thinking about committing the perfect crime. I've become more interested in criminal law....
 
RyanH said:
So May, if you were going to committ the perfect crime, would you do it or hire a hit man?


I'd do it myself. (This is an intellectual exercise only - I could never hurt a fly!!!)
 
In the late 70s early 80s when the Philadelphia Mob was at its peak, the Don Angelo Bruno organized the perfect hit.

He would have the hitman kill the guy, 2 diggers make a hole. They would get the body from the hitman and drop the body off at the whole. 2 "movers", that were specially chosen, would then pick up the body, fill the whole with dirt, and take the body somewhere else where it would be buried.

Say the authorites thought of accusing the hitman. No body = no proof. Say somehow the 2 diggers were accused and they fessed up. When they went to the hole, there would be no body. The only people who knew were the people who moved the body and the Don, and they wouldn't sell out. Crime was never figured out.

Pretty damn clever. He put Atlantic City on the map too.
 
Rex said:
In the late 70s early 80s when the Philadelphia Mob was at its peak, the Don Angelo Bruno organized the perfect hit.

He would have the hitman kill the guy, 2 diggers make a hole. They would get the body from the hitman and drop the body off at the whole. 2 "movers", that were specially chosen, would then pick up the body, fill the whole with dirt, and take the body somewhere else where it would be buried.

Say the authorites thought of accusing the hitman. No body = no proof. Say somehow the 2 diggers were accused and they fessed up. When they went to the hole, there would be no body. The only people who knew were the people who moved the body and the Don, and they wouldn't sell out. Crime was never figured out.

Pretty damn clever. He put Atlantic City on the map too.

Interesting, I had never heard of this....
 
QUESTION: WHAT EXTRA MEASURE WOULD YOU TAKE TO AVOID DETECTION?

For example, RyanH said a body suit.


I would probably commit the crime in a rented car (rented under an alias) somehow. Clean the car afterwards (remember "Pulp Fiction"?) and return it to an out-of-state drop off point.

I'd also prepare an air-tight alibi well in advance, e.g. pay someone who looked like me to use my passport to fly to Europe.
 
He was the most prominent mob boss in the city's history. Damn shame NY had placed the hit on him in 1980.
 
Maybe saying a distributor took the dball and really the dealer did. Then blaming someone else. Would that be the perfect crime?
 
Ryan, to add a little more complication to the hit. None of the people involved knew who were doing the other parts of the hit.
 
Re: QUESTION: WHAT EXTRA MEASURE WOULD YOU TAKE TO AVOID DETECTION?

May1010 said:
For example, RyanH said a body suit.


I would probably commit the crime in a rented car (rented under an alias) somehow. Clean the car afterwards (remember "Pulp Fiction"?) and return it to an out-of-state drop off point.

I'd also prepare an air-tight alibi well in advance, e.g. pay someone who looked like me to use my passport to fly to Europe.

No May, the drop off yourself rental car idea wouldn't work since there would then be a person who saw you.

Also, paying someone would probably not work, since there is always the chance that person could later talk...

Good TRY......CONTINUE HELPING US IN COMMITTING THE PERFECT CRIME/MURDER..
 
HamsterHider said:
Maybe saying a distributor took the dball and really the dealer did. Then blaming someone else. Would that be the perfect crime?



M.

By that reasoning, it's entirely possible that the dealer and the distributor sent the product as promised but the "trusted" mail drop person opened the package, removed the product, and repackaged the rest of the bounty.

But, I prefer to believe that people, as a whole, are honest. I think it was just a mistake and I'm sure it'll be corrected.


L.
 
Rex said:
Ryan, to add a little more complication to the hit. None of the people involved knew who were doing the other parts of the hit.

What were they ultimately doing with the bodies, Rex?
 
Like The saying goes, 2 can keep a secret if one of them is dead...Can the perfect crime be committed yes. Could I describe it...No then it wouldn't be perfect.
 
Dead men tell no tales!


or is it ...


Dead men don't wear plaid?



I can never remember.:)




Ryan -

You're right about paying the person ... I was thinking about paying my brother who I'd trust ... but, if I did that, I'd have to be on my own.

As for the rental car idea, I think you're wrong. Wear a disguise or change your appearance, you'd never be identified. Hell, even I've got 2 driver's licenses. Sometimes I like to be known as "Carlos."
 
Re: What were they doing w/ the bodies?

The bodies were ultimately buried in a secluded area, or disposed of in a matter so they wouldn't be found.
 
Do you think the Ramseys killed their daughter??My theory is the son did it...Motive: The daughter received lots of attention for being the little pagent, the son was jealous and took it out on her, probably pushed her down the steps of the basment and when the parents found her dead, set it up to appear as something else...
 
How could you solve the alibi dilemma......Maybe sneak out while your mate is asleep, so your mate says later on........"Chuck was asleep with me........"
 
TxCollegeguy said:
Do you think the Ramseys killed their daughter??My theory is the son did it...Motive: The daughter received lots of attention for being the little pagent, the son was jealous and took it out on her, probably pushed her down the steps of the basment and when the parents found her dead, set it up to appear as something else...

I don't know TXCollegeGuy: The son is very young, he would have likely already cracked and told someone at school. Youngsters can never keep their mouths shut.

I think its very possible that a pedophile, who had seen her at pagents, did it.

But, come on, who would write a 2 pg ransom letter while the parents are upstairs sleeping----this strongly points to the parents...
 
TxCollegeguy said:
Do you think the Ramseys killed their daughter??My theory is the son did it...Motive: The daughter received lots of attention for being the little pagent, the son was jealous and took it out on her, probably pushed her down the steps of the basment and when the parents found her dead, set it up to appear as something else...


No. Burke was 9 years old at the time. Jon Benet had been raped and DNA material was found in/on her. How could a 9-year-old boy do that? Besides, I'm sure the DNA was tested and he was ruled out.
 
It has to be one of the parents. The question is which one. I think the dad was molesting her and the mother knew about it and did nothing.
 
Latimer said:
It has to be one of the parents. The question is which one. I think the dad was molesting her and the mother knew about it and did nothing.

Problem with this theory is that there was absolutely no evidence he had every abused any of his other children, who are older........Don't abusers usually have patterns of abuse?
 
The Jack the Ripper murders were connected to a prominent surgeon of the Royal Family who was going mad from Syphilis (which there was no cure for at the time) He suffered periodic bouts and the Royal Family was afraid of the uprising from the commoners if they discovered who was doing it. (They only figured it out after his third victim themselves.) The murders stopped as soon as he was replaced in the Royal Household and then (supposingly) retired to the Canary Islands.
 
Generally abusers have a history...But they have to start somewhere...

I wasn't sure if they confirmed that she was rapped...It's a very real possibility. But no tracks or fingerprints were ever released to the public.
 
Well two of them are boys. The eldest daughter might be covering for him for whatever reason. Regardless if she was molested or not, I still think one of them did it.
 
RyanH said:

Youngsters can never keep their mouths shut.


Its becoming a bad tradition. Not only on illegal stuff, but on regular stuff too. Everyone wants to be in the limelight and have the attention directed at them, so they start talking about anything so people will listen. "Loose lips sink ships."

I think its very possible that a pedophile, who had seen her at pagents, did it.

One possibility. Fucking sick, no matter who did it.

But, come on, who would write a 2 pg ransom letter while the parents are upstairs sleeping----this strongly points to the parents...


I think it was weird w/ the whole note book missing the pages that the letter was written on, and how whoever wrote it pressed pretty damn hard on the notebook. The parents had to be some heavy sleepers too to not hear anything if there is someone walking around the house.
 
Jae---is this a well-known theory....I've seen alot of TV shows on the Ripper, and I've never heard that one mentioned...........
 
Jae said:
The Jack the Ripper murders were connected to a prominent surgeon of the Royal Family who was going mad from Syphilis (which there was no cure for at the time) He suffered periodic bouts and the Royal Family was afraid of the uprising from the commoners if they discovered who was doing it. (They only figured it out after his third victim themselves.) The murders stopped as soon as he was replaced in the Royal Household and then (supposingly) retired to the Canary Islands.


Actually, Jae, that is just one of many theories. Jack was also rumored to be the Duke of Clarence and many others. Personally, I suspect that it was a Polish immigrant named "Kosnowski."
 
May1010 said:




M.

By that reasoning, it's entirely possible that the dealer and the distributor sent the product as promised but the "trusted" mail drop person opened the package, removed the product, and repackaged the rest of the bounty.

But, I prefer to believe that people, as a whole, are honest. I think it was just a mistake and I'm sure it'll be corrected.


L.
Impossible because the trusted mail drop person never touched the package until the reciever arrived. If the trusted mail person wanted the products they could have never arrived. Dball is the cheapest of all the products. We must solve this mystery.scooby dooby doo
 
HamsterHider said:

scooby dooby doo

A flash light and some tooth picks made the ghost ship and it was the Amusement park owner who wanted to run the business into the ground to collect insurance. Now lets get some scooby snacks.
 
You know the Ramseys passed lie detector tests? How difficult is it for 2 people to pass a test if they are really quilty?
 
Re: Lie detector test

They probably smoked a joint or something to mellow them out, so they could lie and remain calm. Thats more of Havoc's department though.
 
Yes, Ryan, they both passed lie detector tests.

Did you know that the next door neighbor, an old man who played Santa Claus at their Christmas party was also a budding playwright?

He wrote a play about a little girl that gets murdered in her own house on Christmas eve. Then, guess what happens?

Also, Jon Benet refered to someone that she was expecting a "secret" visit from Santa Claus.

... I'm convinced it was the old man!!!!
 
May1010 said:
Yes, Ryan, they both passed lie detector tests.

Did you know that the next door neighbor, an old man who played Santa Claus at their Christmas party was also a budding playwright?

He wrote a play about a little girl that gets murdered in her own house on Christmas eve. Then, guess what happens?

Also, Jon Benet refered to someone that she was expecting a "secret" visit from Santa Claus.

... I'm convinced it was the old man!!!!

Holy shit! If thats true all signs point to the old man, who near the end of the party could've said he was leaving, but hid in the basement as some believe the murderer did.
 
May1010 said:
Yes, Ryan, they both passed lie detector tests.


... I'm convinced it was the old man!!!!

Police have already ruled out him as a suspect....Don't you read the papers May? Maybe you should stop posing that ass of yours and pick up some print.:D :D
 
RyanH said:


Police have already ruled out him as a suspect....Don't you read the papers May? Maybe you should stop posing that ass of yours and pick up some print.:D :D


The police ruled out the old man? Hmmm ... and the police are infallible, aren't they, Ryan? I have just 2 words for you: RICHARD JEWEL



Ryan - do you believe everything everyone tell you? BTW: Did you like my ass or not? Would ya tap it?
 
May--Richard Jewell is a bad example....


i sent you a pm earlier..
 
RyanH said:
May--Richard Jewell is a bad example....



Why? Because it proves my point? The Denver Police Department has been proved to be very very incompetent!

Think about this Mr. Smarty Pants:

This is such a high profile case that they're not going to go after the old man until they've got an air tight case!
 
May1010 said:




Why? Because it proves my point? The Denver Police Department has been proved to be very very incompetent!


Grammar Correction May: Should read: "The Denver Police Dept has been PROVEN to be very very incompetent!
 
RyanH said:


Grammar Correction May: Should read: "The Denver Police Dept has been PROVEN to be very very incompetent!



Well, since you pointed out my immaterial grammar error, I guess my entire assertion regarding the old man should be thrown out.
 
RyanH said:
The old man has an alibi....his wife.


OH MY GOD! WHICH LAW SCHOOL ACCEPTED YOU?

Yeah, he's a retired literature professor at the University of Colorado with a nice pension. She reviews movies in the local paper.

I think she needs him. I hope that if I'm every charged with a crime, you'll be the prosecuting attorney!
 
Do you belive that she would really standby her husband the pedophile?

Out to win----at all costs---aren't you may? Defame, slam, cloud the issues......FULL THROTTLE TONIGHT.:p :p :p
 
may they generally as in speaking the detectives at alibis using the reid interview system. I am not saying it is fool proof but a damn good system.
in my opinion it was a school friend's brother who had a crush on her. little people are easy to hide
 
RyanH said:
Out to win----at all costs---aren't you may? Defame, slam, cloud the issues......FULL THROTTLE TONIGHT.:p :p :p



I challenge you to point out where I defamed, slammed, and clouded the issues, Ryan. It's obvious that I've beaten you at your own game so you're going to impeach my ethics. Surely, you've not exhausted all of your debate skills from that little black bag of lawyer tricks.
 
May the real issue is, in fact, your ethics. Have you played the game well?

I question your tactics.

Please stay focused. ON point: Issue---ethics, yours.
 
One would want to commit the perfect crime b/c perhaps she has an insurance policy waiting to mature, or one just wants to accomplish any other personal motive....

Smile, don't sound so angry all of the time Clam.
 
RyanH said:
Please stay focused. ON point: Issue---ethics, yours.



I'm sorry Mr. RyanH but who was it that pointed out his opponent's grammar error when he ran out of substantive arguments? Hmmm ....



P.S. Show us your dick!
 
Who says the perfect crime has to be murder? Isn't driving above the speed limit against the law, and thus, a crime? The speed limit on the way home from school is 40mph. I did 50mph on the way home the last day of school. I wasn't caught.

BAM, I've committed the perfect crime, only it is no longer perfect because I confessed. That's ok, though. There is at least one other time to which I will not confess. =)

-Warik
 
We all know who REALLY killed Jon Benet Ramsey...

...but the US government doesn't want you to know.

BILL CLINTON & HILARY!

AT THE WACO COMPOUND! DURING THE ATF RAID!

while JANET RENO WATCHED!

sorry, it's the clomid doing this to me.

my 2 cents...
 
BeardedClam said:
who was the guy that clinton had killed?

Please be more specific. That's like yelling out: "Hey! You in the red white & blue!" at an Independence Day party.

-Warik
 
Perfect crime, no real such thing but heres a way for someone to commit a hit, murder and make it possibly perfect.

Get involved with waste management in some capacity.
After the deed is done, well the body is not sent into the recycling bin, but the garbage bin, Into the garbage truck to the landfill(best bet is to chop up the body and bag it separately) Ok once the body and parts are properly disposed of in the landfill and buried it is next to impossible to find as ponce that shit is buried it ain't environmentally friendly to dig up landfill once it has been sitting there due to toxic wastes, gases etc.

So joe blow just disappeared, left town whatever.

Where the perfect part goes out the window is if between the killing and the landfill burying the body is somehow found.

THere was a case in Montreal I believe years ago where they suspected a guy had been murdered and buried in a landfill but they could not prove it because it was too dangerous to dig up to find out.

Other then that take a boat ride and dump it in the ocean(never a lake) with a good weight set to go along with the body and the rest takes care of itself.
 
Hey, talk about the perfect crime...

What about the assassination of John F Kennedy??!?

If that doens't qualify as the perfect crime of the previous century, I don't know what will.

hardgainer (well?)
 
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