The IRS -- Are they legit?

[Radical Ice]

I love this conspiracy shit... Fonz posts some excellent stuff, but I stumbled across this "31 Question" forum and read just enough to make me want to do a bit of my own research. Has this been posted before? I couldn't find it with a search...

Is nothing as it seems??? Or is there a controversial side to just about everything???

http://www.supremelaw.org/sls/31answers.htm

 

[Drunken_Weasel]

I don't know.. but I filed my taxes in feb, then did a ammendment in early march. and just now found out that I wont be getting my return untill LATE MAY!. damnit.. I have to wait longer than the people who filed on the last possible day.

 

[Baby Gorilla]

Nothing new....

I've heard for some time that the IRS is an illegal construct.

Supposedly, the power of the federal government to tax is an "implied" power of the constitution as you need taxes to pay for the duties the federal government is charged with.

However, it appears the IRS is a 100% illegal construct. I know their powers are unconstitutional, but they get away with it all the time.

 

[HULKSTER]

The IRS is a 100% illegal construct. THE ORIGINAL US CONSTITUTION nowhere said that is was legal and legitimate for the federal govenment to collect federal income tax. It stated that the only form of INCOME tax that could be collected would be by the STATES. Furthermore, the Constiutition stated that federal tax could only be collected on certain items, like Customs duties, etc.----but no federal income tax. The federal income tax that we have today should be demolished. I suggest that everyone stop paying federal income taxes immediately! Or, at least, lie on your tax returns to pay as little as possible.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

sorry guys:

Amendment XVI

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes....

 

[ariolanine]

Some of that stuff is true, but the government can and will take your money. Rich people go to jail every year for tax evasion. If anyone has the coin to fight the government it's them and they lose every time.

 

[atlantabiolab]

sorry guys:

Amendment XVI

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes....

Sorry, Matt:

"No legislative act … contrary to the Constitution can be valid. To deny this would be to affirm that the deputy is greater than his principal; that the servant is above his master; that the representatives of the people are superior to the people themselves; that men acting by virtue of powers may do not only what their powers do not authorize, but what they forbid." - Alexander Hamilton, Federalist 78

Article 1, Section 8: "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States."

Powers Denied to Congress
Section 9: … "No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken."

The Constitution makes clear that the current Income Tax is unconstitutional, and the Supreme Court ruled this several times over the years. The idea of making an amendment to circumvent this is also unconstitutional, for if the Constitution binds government from doing something and the legislature can override it, then what value is a constitution?

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Sorry, Matt:



The Constitution makes clear that the current Income Tax is unconstitutional, and the Supreme Court ruled this several times over the years. The idea of making an amendment to circumvent this is also unconstitutional, for if the Constitution binds government from doing something and the legislature can override it, then what value is a constitution?

I agree with you in principle. I also live in reality.

Lincoln tried to impose an income tax and it was found unconstitutional. Congress just did an end run on it with the 16th amendment.

The climate of the era as I am sure you know was post Industrial revolution and the "get the rich" mentality was in full swing.

It was stupid classist legislation.

 

[njmuscle]

The 16th Amendment isn't an "end run" - it's the correct way to change the constitution, not like some of the crap the feds pull in other areas (like the drinking age - the Federal government has no power to regulate sale of alcohol, but they just tell the states "do what we want you to do or we won't spend any federal highway funds in your state, even though your citizens pay the federal highway tax on gasoline. THAT'S an end-run.)

 

[HULKSTER]

The 16th Amendment isn't an "end run" - it's the correct way to change the constitution, not like some of the crap the feds pull in other areas (like the drinking age - the Federal government has no power to regulate sale of alcohol, but they just tell the states "do what we want you to do or we won't spend any federal highway funds in your state, even though your citizens pay the federal highway tax on gasoline. THAT'S an end-run.)

The bottom line is, the current, sitting US Federal Government should be overthrown, the two-party, corporate supported system of politics abolished---as well as the winner takes all system of politics----and subsequently, new elections should be held. Wherein, the Federal government will revert to it's original powers and authority as the US Constitution originally stated. Also, the Federal government will be more reflective as it was originally directed to be in the US Constitution as per the writings of the GODFATHER OF THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY---my hero, and the hero of all Libertarians----US Constiution writer and President THOMAS JEFFERSON.

 

[thebabydoc]

The I.R.S. is indeed too legit, Too legit to quit...

Too legit... Too legit to quit (three times)
Sweat running all over my chest (chest) i don't quit no!
I just press harder (Yea!) than i ever did before going for
The dreams that i have in store in my mind (mind) and i know
That i'm makin it i gotta get mine and nobody's takin it away
(No!) cause hammer don't play that you try to get mine
boy you better step back freeze (freeze) cause
You don't want none i hustle for my muscle and you look
Weak son (real weak) yea!... i'm goin for all that i can get
Kickin at the top cause i'm too legit to quit...sing!...

Chorus
Too legit... Too legit to quit (hey...hey...) Too legit...too
legit... Too legit to quit...(hey...) Too legit... Too legit to quit
(too legit...) too legit... too legit to quit...

when i feel high post don't you play me close a dig 'em smack
a get you back and i'll hit with a dose of oaktown power
and charge you by the hour i'm shakin like a quake and funks
get devoured i choose to abuse, misuse and confuse
competitors who think they're makin up all the rules, fools
in the game lame and insane it's a shame i gotta do this but
i remain the same unchanged gettin better never known
as a sweater kickin it at the top cause i got myself together
so roll with a guy who's physical and fit knows the time
and too legit to quit...sang!

Repeat chorus x2

step to the rhythm of a sho-nuff winner (winner) i been
here before (yo!) i ain't no beginner (word) but i been new
tried and true survival of the fittest yo!..it brought me through
my crew (talk) we're ready to strike trained for the mission
so believe the hype and sweat it (sweat it) cause you're gonna
regret it the day that you dissed us you'll wish you never met us
you remind me of a real short story one hit record and you
star to bore me get ready cause this is it your crew is
through and we too legit to quit...sang!...

chorus

Too legit... Too legit to quit...Too legit... Too legit to quit
Too legit... Too legit to quit...Too legit... Too legit to quit
get buck...get buck...get buck...get buck...get buck...(many times)

my people we don't know defeat we crush the strong and
percolate the weak daily (everyday) we make our moves to
improve our groove because we love to rule where we
lay yo!..(Yo!) work and play we started at the bottom and
now we're leading the way and yea!..(yea!) i'm havin a fit kickin it
at the top because i'm too legit to quit...sang!...

chorus

hey...hey...hey...hey... too legit to quit.. too legit to quit..
we're rolling on...we're rolling on...we're rolling on...we're rolling on...
he's on top...he's on top...he's on top...he's on top...
goin to burn it up...goin to burn it up...goin to burn it up...
goin to burn it up...
too legit to quit...too legit to quit
we're rollin on..hey..hey..hey...too legit.

chorus to fade

 

[thebabydoc]

BTW, who thinks "The Hammer" was one of the best rappers of all time?

Add in MC Young, that dude was a master lyricist and rapper- wrote most of Tone Loc's stuff.

 

[atlantabiolab]

I agree with you in principle. I also live in reality.

I understand, but principle is what the Constitution was founded on. This is a major problem of society, to many are afraid of "what ought to be" and would rather accept "what is".

It is the root of the two party system. How many times have you heard either Party attempt to steer voters from voting based on their principles using this mentality? Republicans telling conservative minded voters not to "waste" their vote on say a Libertarian candidate, or Democrats telling liberal minded voters not to "waste" their vote on say a Green Party candidate. This mentality perpetuates the "is" and not the "ought be".