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JKurz1

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OK, last time, just want to be sure I have this nailed down. My FINAL EQ inj will be tomorrow. My final test inj. was yesterday.

Do I start the HCG tomorrow or wait one week?

I know I am going to run hcg for 10 days straight at 500mg a day.
I know I am going to run nolv. at 20mg a day for the entire 4 weeks.
I know that I must WAIT for the HCG to run out, then start clomid week 1 at 100mg and week 2 at 100mg then 50mg a day for the folowwing two weeks.

When I get my HCG, I open it it's 5,000mg. I mix 1 ml of BA in with the powder.

Then I take that mixure and inj. it into another bottle along with 9 more CCs of BA....that gives my 250mg/cc.......correct?
 
In regards to mixing the Hcg put just enough Bacto H20 in it for mixing. Draw this up into a syringe and see how far off you are from 10ml volume. Push the Bacto water with the Hcg solution back into the bottle. Then draw up the difference in volume, and then add it into the vial of the Hcg/Bact H2o.

If you add 1ml to the Hcg powder, the volume is gonna be greater than that of 1ml, so just adding 9ml more will put the volume over 10ml total and your concentration will be off/less.

This is figuring that you are wanting a total of 10ml. The same procedure can be used if you are wanting less than a 10ml volume so that it is a higher concentration per ml or whatever you go by.

Personally, I go Sub-Q with my Hcg injects and use an insulin pin, so I gauge it on less volume....personal preference.

BMJ
 
1st - If you have 5000iu and you dilute it with 10ml of water that is 500iu/ml - Not 250.

5000/10=500iu

Start the HCG monday - Take 500iu IM for 10 days. THe following Monday after you finish the HCG start the Nolva.

I would take an AI the whole time you are on HCG and Nolva.
 
OK, so two days after eq inj......500ius.....gotcha so I'll finish on a wednesday of the folowwing week......so I wait a few days and start the nolva and clomid on the following monday? Is that right? What about am dbol, start that with the clomid? And IGF too.......armidex will be the whole way through.

December 4th is a Monday....let's do it this way...much K Black if you can assist...
 
Figuring you stop the Eq this weekend.....I would try to get another vial of Hcg so that you will have enough.

If you have 10ml @ 500iu/ml, then buy another one so that it will last you 20 days.

This Monday, Start your hcg @ 500iu/ml per day for 20 staright days. Take you Nolvadex and AIFM during this time as well.

If you do not buy another Hcg bottle, then you are gonna have to wait (~) 10 days before starting the Hcg....figuring the 3 week period after the last injection.

After Hcg, start Clomid + AIFM combo as you have outlined.

After Clomid, You can continue AIFM as needed, adjusting dosages.

If you are gonna do the Dbol "bridge" with this, then follow the advise that Ulter mentioned to you in your previous thread.

BMJ
 
MR. BMJ said:
Figuring you stop the Eq this weekend.....I would try to get another vial of Hcg so that you will have enough.

If you have 10ml @ 500iu/ml, then buy another one so that it will last you 20 days.

This Monday, Start your hcg @ 500iu/ml per day for 20 staright days. Take you Nolvadex and AIFM during this time as well.

If you do not buy another Hcg bottle, then you are gonna have to wait (~) 10 days before starting the Hcg....figuring the 3 week period after the last injection.

After Hcg, start Clomid + AIFM combo as you have outlined.

After Clomid, You can continue AIFM as needed, adjusting dosages.

If you are gonna do the Dbol "bridge" with this, then follow the advise that Ulter mentioned to you in your previous thread.

BMJ
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Sorry, BUt I have to disagree.

HCG is not best utilized while run at the same time as Nolva and Clomid.

Here is the PCT that I have used many times with excellent results. WHen I say excellent my test levels were over 900 4 weeks after PCT last time, and that was after a tren cycle.

THe following monday after last long ester injection - Run HCG at 500iu ED for 10 strait days (Persoanlly I do 1000iu ed - but if you only have 5000iu you will need to do 500iu ed)

THe following monday after that I start Nolva at 40mg for one week and Clomid at 100mg for one week.

I continue Nolva at 20mg ed for 4 MORE weeks, and continue Clomid at 50mg for 3 MORE weeks.

I run aromasin at 20mg the entire cycle and all the way until I take the last Nolva dosage.
 
wk1 27-Nov 500MG HCG
wk1 28-Nov 500MG HCG
wk1 29-Nov 500MG HCG
wk1 30-Nov 500MG HCG
wk1 1-Dec 500MG HCG
wk1 2-Dec 500MG HCG
wk1 3-Dec 500MG HCG
wk2 4-Dec 500MG HCG
wk2 5-Dec 500MG HCG
wk2 6-Dec 500MG HCG
wk2 7-Dec 20MG NOLVA 100MG CLOMID
wk2 8-Dec 20MG NOLVA 100MG CLOMID
wk2 9-Dec 20MG NOLVA 100MG CLOMID
wk2 10-Dec 20MG NOLVA 100MG CLOMID
wk2 11-Dec 20MG NOLVA 100MG CLOMID
wk2 12-Dec 20MG NOLVA 100MG CLOMID
wk2 13-Dec 20MG NOLVA 100MG CLOMID
wk3 14-Dec 20MG NOLVA 50mg clomid
wk3 15-Dec 20MG NOLVA 50mg clomid
wk3 16-Dec 20MG NOLVA 50mg clomid
wk3 17-Dec 20MG NOLVA 50mg clomid
wk3 18-Dec 20MG NOLVA 50mg clomid
 
JKurz1 said:
OK, last time, just want to be sure I have this nailed down. My FINAL EQ inj will be tomorrow. My final test inj. was yesterday.

Do I start the HCG tomorrow or wait one week?

I know I am going to run hcg for 10 days straight at 500mg a day.
I know I am going to run nolv. at 20mg a day for the entire 4 weeks.
I know that I must WAIT for the HCG to run out, then start clomid week 1 at 100mg and week 2 at 100mg then 50mg a day for the folowwing two weeks.

When I get my HCG, I open it it's 5,000mg. I mix 1 ml of BA in with the powder.

Then I take that mixure and inj. it into another bottle along with 9 more CCs of BA....that gives my 250mg/cc.......correct?
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Very good article here mon cheri

HCG for PCT

also HCG normally come in 5000/iu bottle not 5,000/mg please check your bottle and dosing again mon cheri
 
I wouldnt start the HCG the day after injecting a long ester, I wait at least 7 days and then run it 500IU for 10 straight days followed by your clomid run. If you inject the HCG the day after all it does is battle your elevated test levels and you arent going make much progress in bringing back natural production. After a week they will begin to slowly lower everyday and then the HCG can become effective. IMO 10 days after long ester injection is ideal. This means when you begin clomid you will be nearly 3 weeks from your last injection and test levels should be declining rapidly, perfect time for a clomid jumpstart to your nuts (which the HCG should already be taking care of)
 
Yes you can start HCG before your ester clears. You're using it to jumpstart your testes. One of the nice things about HCG is that unlike all the other things you'll use for PCT it that doesn't matter whether or not you still have high levels of androgens in you in order for it to work. You don't have to wait and it works just the same. So start now.
 
Ulter said:
Yes you can start HCG before your ester clears. You're using it to jumpstart your testes. One of the nice things about HCG is that unlike all the other things you'll use for PCT it that doesn't matter whether or not you still have high levels of androgens in you in order for it to work. You don't have to wait and it works just the same. So start now.
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EXACTLY WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING... ;)

Thanks for the back up Ulter.
 
Start the HGC in a couple of days, run it with an AIFM


Kurtz remember this isn’t an exact science

Every gear affects everyone differently, HCG will affect you differently than it affects me, or maybe the same. But it works, and Clomid works,

I don’t think you need to front load your Clomid, but it may be fine, your body in this case your nuts will tell you.

Good luck
 
Ulter said:
Yes you can start HCG before your ester clears. You're using it to jumpstart your testes. One of the nice things about HCG is that unlike all the other things you'll use for PCT it that doesn't matter whether or not you still have high levels of androgens in you in order for it to work. You don't have to wait and it works just the same. So start now.
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If this is the case why not run HCG during your cycle? I know that it will work to temporarily bring back the size of your nuts during cycle but they will shrink right back up once the HCG clears and there are high levels of test in your system. I guess as long as you administer the HCG everyday and dont give them time to shut down again, then it will work. Ive never thought about it that way. Good point as usual Ulter.

So if I was a pornstar and needed big bull balls for aesthetic purposes, and cycled like many of them do, would running a small dose of HCG everyday inhibit my gains at all??
 
No it won't inhibit your gains at all.

If this is the case why not run HCG during your cycle?

Most people I know do use it throughout the cycle to keep their testes big and bouncy. Like me for instance.

No they don't shrink up again for several days or even weeks. If I use 1000iu/day for a week I don't need it again for a month.
 
black sheep said:
Sorry, BUt I have to disagree.

HCG is not best utilized while run at the same time as Nolva and Clomid.

Here is the PCT that I have used many times with excellent results. WHen I say excellent my test levels were over 900 4 weeks after PCT last time, and that was after a tren cycle.

THe following monday after last long ester injection - Run HCG at 500iu ED for 10 strait days (Persoanlly I do 1000iu ed - but if you only have 5000iu you will need to do 500iu ed)

THe following monday after that I start Nolva at 40mg for one week and Clomid at 100mg for one week.

I continue Nolva at 20mg ed for 4 MORE weeks, and continue Clomid at 50mg for 3 MORE weeks.

I run aromasin at 20mg the entire cycle and all the way until I take the last Nolva dosage.
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That is not what I said at all. I agree with starting it right away after last AAS (eq) injection like stated above. However, the Eq is gonna be active for three weeks. He has 10 shots of 500iu, so if he starts immediately after the last shot, then it is still gonna be done before the eq half life is cleared. Therefore, adding 10 more shots to equal 20 shots total will run him from the last eq injection all the way 'close' to when the ester half life is clear.

I do disagree with the statement "HCG is not best utilized while run at the same time as Nolva...." Unless a progestin is present in the blood during Hcg use, there is no reason not to run it along side the Hcg as it will help prime the Hcg and prevent further estrous build up from the Hcg itself. I have a study to back this up as well as personal experimentation, but i'm at work right now. Since no progestin was used during his AAS duration, I do not see how it can be of hinderance?

I also agree to run the Clomid AFTER the Hcg with an AI like AIFM or Aromasin. I believe he was using AIFM, which is why I used it as a recommenedation above. However, Aromasin will work.

I do not see a purpose of running Nolvadex and clomid together since clomid does everything that Nolvadex does in regards to restoration, but better. The AI will take care of any elevated E2 levels.

Not saying you way doesn't work, as this stuff is more a matter of trial and error on ourselves.

BMJ
 
Many here have suggested that he has to wait three weeks for the long esters to clear. Take a look at his doses through his cycle: he's been running 125mg shots rather than the 250mg, twice-a-week, shots that most usually deal with.

This alone knocks one half-life from his required wait before exogenous levels fall below baseline. If you subtract ten days from that to get his start-date for HCG then you're left with just two or three days from last injection.

JK, as I mentioned before, plug your cycle into a half-life calculator to determine PCT schedule. As others have mentioned, though, it's not an exact procedure and there is a fair bit of wiggle-room.
 
Aside from the minor issue of clearance time, I'd agree wholeheartedly with Mr. BMJ's last post. Actually, I don't seem to have data on undecylenate half-life so I might even withdraw that demur.

I think if I were in your position, JK, I'd skip today's 100mg Eq shot so as to begin PCT sooner. It'll bring the Eq clearance more into line with the Test clearance.
 
Ok, so I am a tad confused (go figure) my last inj was yest. of 100mg eq.......sorry blunt, didnt get your post.......so, do I wait till Thursday which was my last test inj? My test levels won't drop until AT LEASE then right? Also, I ordered some sealed empty vials which wont come in until at least thursday....if I need to start tomorrow, can I just mix it up in a open vial and then preload all the syringes???
 
I think I have it down....but what I want to know is the dbol a bridge or a means of recovering?? I don't WANT TO BE A HRT lifer, unless I have to. My test levels were low and I was put on androderm a couple of years ago, but I want to see if I can get them bacl. However, I want the confidence that I can still eat 4,000 cals and have my test levels be at least normal so it won't all be stored as fat....which happens to people with low levels. So if it's a bridge, forget it. If I can recover with it and use it to keep my levels at normal, then I'll do it. here's my plan, all depending on what responses I get.......

THURSDAY - START 500MG HCG (THATS ONE WEEK AFTER)
10 DAYS LATER AND FOR ONE WEEK 40MG NOLB, 100MG CLOMD
FOR THE FOLLOWING 3-4 WEEKS, 20MG NOLVA AND 50MG CLOMID
1MG ARMIDEXT EVERY DAY STARTING TODAY.
 
i like to use a short ester steroid while the eq clears like npp or something. i would wait a good 3 weeks to start pct after eq. it is in your system a good 2-3 weeks after you stop. as ulter said there is nothing wrong with bringing testes back to size now cause the clomid and will be what brings back your natty test. but still i like to run pct when i am cleared i recover much better
 
It was only 100mg of eq......it's been 15 weeks....should I run 100mg m,w,f this week? Or would that be very stupid.......
 
only 250 a week....so it's gotta clear out much much sooner......250 of each for 16 weeks...just to get me up to normal.....
 
bruce410 said:
yes at that dose you are fine doing it in 14 days.
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the consenusus really is one week from past thursday.........can I mix the hcg in a open valve and then just preload all the syrnges? If my sealed bottles dont come in on time?? I NEED that comfort feeling that my test levels arent going to plummet this week, can I get some DBOL guidance??? Is it a bridge or recovery tool? Who has run it from day 1 or after the hcg??
 
there are not bridges and there are not steroids that help you recover. you would be running the dbol while the long ester clears. it will keep your weight strength and energy up while you wait to start pct. that is all. if you want to do it in a week that is fine. i will always wait at least 2 weeks for eq to clear
 
check out the am dbol thread its interesting........I am starting hcg 1 week after my test, at Ulter's suggestion..........but I do not want my levels to drop to a point where I get sloppy on a high cal diet........
 
2 quickies....I start my hcg thursday, waiting for it to run out then clomid...do I start nolva with the hcg?

Also, how does 10mg of bol compare , test level wise, to someone taking say 100mg test/week
 
bump for a timeframe.....also, how about IGF? a week, 2? a month?

HCG - 1CC OF BW into the vial, then draw and inject into 9ccs of BW...fridge. Correct? 500mg/cc
 
If you have 5 grams of HCG, you most definitely don't want to be using all of it. I think it likely that you're mixing-up mg and IU.

If you dilute 5000IU to have 10ml total solution then you'd have 500IU/ml
 
blut wump said:
If you have 5 grams of HCG, you most definitely don't want to be using all of it. I think it likely that you're mixing-up mg and IU.

If you dilute 5000IU to have 10ml total solution then you'd have 500IU/ml
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