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the best cutting cycle?
- Thread starter robph
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you can take any of the tests. it just depends how often you want to stick yourself. at 20% it would be a waste to use winny and eq imo. You could just run low doses of test along with a solid diet/cardio (which is the more important than the gear) and you will retain lbm and cut fat. You wont see much in the way of getting bigger but your bf will go down and your strength will probably go up a little bit even at the lower bodyweight. not to mention at a lower bf you will appear just as big or bigger to people, at least that has been my experience and Im nowhere near your size
Goldprospector
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I would say low dose test, 300mg weekly, with 60 mg Var ED would be great. Var decreased my appetite like mad...I really had to force myself to eat at all.
Bulldog_10
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I would say the one where you take whatever steroid you like and eat less calories than you expend every day.
But that's just my opinion!
I'd go with a simple, yet effective low dose of test.
But that's just my opinion!
I'd go with a simple, yet effective low dose of test.
J
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robph said:
The best "cutting" cycle is diet and cardio. If you really want to get crazy throw in some windsprints! If you think steroids help you lose fat then you need to do a lot more research before you jump on a cycle.
Bulldog_10
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Juice Authority said:
Beat ya to it bro!
J
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E-Swift25 said:
You know, that's a good point. I was referring however to the fact that AAS does not directly increase your metabolic rate or have any thermogenic characteristics to it. Now there has been some discussion on how Tren has good lipolytic effects but I have yet to see any concrete findings for this. It's mostly speculative.
Now to your point, for every extra pound of muscle you put on, your body uses around 50 extra calories a day. In a recent study (I can't find it now), researchers found that regular weight training boosts basal metabolic rate by about 15%. This is because muscle is ‘metabolically active’ and burns more calories than other body tissue even when you’re not moving. So, you're right since AAS is directly attibutable to increased muscle mass your body burns more calories and since the molecular weight of muscle is greater than fat you tend to burn up more fat than muscle.
One thing you overlooked is the estrogen related side effects of AAS, which increase fatty tissue in the body. The estrogen build up from AAS overcompensates for the amount fat that is burned due to the muscle build up.
OXANDRIN
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Juice Authority said:
I remember reading an andy13 thread about how AAS do increase metabolism because the increased protein synthesis uses/burns fatty acids in the process and that alone is "fat burning"
other stuff:
increased heart rate = higher metabolic rate
increase blood pressure = heart is working harder (more calories burned)
AAS positively affecting insulin sensativity (more glucose to muscles vs fat cells)
supression of catabolic hormones that promote fat gain
J
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OXANDRIN said:
That's what I was referring to above, which is an indirect relationship to AAS but nonetheless attibutable to AAS. As far as increased BP and heart rate are concerned, that would vary on the individual. My blood pressure is only slighly elevated when on a cycle and resting heard rate is normal. BTW, glucose stores as fat if it is not burned so that's not always a good thing.
J
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OXANDRIN said:
From what I understand, Carbs convert to glucose with 100% efficiency
Protein converts to glucose with 58% efficiency and the rest is ketones.
Fat converts to glucose at 10% and the rest are ketones.
J
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http://www.bertrodgers.com/olc/healthcare/online/diabetes_diag/part2.htm
This link speaks mainly to diabetes but I believe it also answers your question.
Normal Metabolism
In order to understand diabetes, it is important to understand how we normally metabolize food. As you know, our bodies are made up of millions of cells, and in order to function, these cells must have energy. This energy comes from glucose, and glucose is mainly obtained from food.
When we eat, food enters the digestive system and is broken down into glucose. The three macronutrients from which glucose is made are: carbohydrates, protein, and fat. Carbohydrates completely convert into glucose; 50 to 60 percent of protein converts into glucose; and fat converts at 10 percent. Once food is broken down into glucose, it is absorbed into the bloodstream and carried to the cells of the body. For glucose to enter the cells, however, insulin must be present.
This link speaks mainly to diabetes but I believe it also answers your question.
Normal Metabolism
In order to understand diabetes, it is important to understand how we normally metabolize food. As you know, our bodies are made up of millions of cells, and in order to function, these cells must have energy. This energy comes from glucose, and glucose is mainly obtained from food.
When we eat, food enters the digestive system and is broken down into glucose. The three macronutrients from which glucose is made are: carbohydrates, protein, and fat. Carbohydrates completely convert into glucose; 50 to 60 percent of protein converts into glucose; and fat converts at 10 percent. Once food is broken down into glucose, it is absorbed into the bloodstream and carried to the cells of the body. For glucose to enter the cells, however, insulin must be present.
Bulldog_10
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OXANDRIN said:
Fat actually undergoes beta-oxidation, in which 2 carbons are cut off the fatty acid chain at a time, producing acetyl-CoA. These Acetyl CoA molecules then enter the krebs cycle and produce ATP (or NADH-FADH which then enter the electron transport chain to produce HUGE amounts of ATP).
So fat and protein don't "convert" to glucose...they just enter the metabolic chain at a different spot in the cycle. Amino acids drop their amine groups and can enter at the level of pyruvate, acetyl CoA, or various points in the krebs cycle. They usually enter as 3-carbon molecules, as opposed to the 6-carbon glucose molecule.
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Bulldog_10 said:
You're referring to two different things. Mobilization is the breakdown of triglycerides into glycerol and FFA's for energy. Oxidation is the point at which these fatty acids are actually "burned" for energy. Just because a triglyceride is mobilized does NOT mean that is will be oxidized.
The breakdown of fats in the body is called lipolysis. The enzyme in the body responsible for lipolysis is called lipase. It turns triglycerides into three unbound fatty acids (FFA) and one glycerol molecule. The liver actively converts two molecules of glycerol (two three carbon molecules) into one molecule of glucose (one six carbon molecule) and releases that glucose to the blood for use by other tissues. It's a rather involved process but fat does breakdown into glucose.
