the army finally got a ray gun

[p0ink]

check this shit out.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/ptech/11/06/arms.laser.reut/index.html

 

[nicknot]

old methods are funniest

 

[manny78]

So basically it could replace the Phalanx 20mm system. Not that bad.

 

[Whiskey]

my parents need one of those to shoot all the damn blackbirds back home!!



Whiskey

 

[GinNJuice]

Now, when it can work using a 9V battery, then they'll have something truely mobile.

Can you imagine what the power requirements are for that thing?

 

[CYBERNIGG]

Wait 2 months and get one on ebay for 5$

 

[p0ink]

this is why the rest of the world doesnt want us developing a missile defense program, because they know we can do it.

 

[manny78]

this is why the rest of the world doesnt want us developing a missile defense program, because they know we can do it.

thats something I cant understand. Refuse the right to a coutry to defend its border. Basically like NY rule against bullet proof jackets....

 

[dick tater]

And people wonder why we think our country is so great. Shit, we have ray guns.

 

[Puc]

i expected the rednecks on this thread to bitch about the DAMN JEWS.

the DAMN JEWS are going to get the laser, too. Hell, they own hollywood, the news media, the banks, and the governement already.

DAMN JEWS!!!!!

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

Awesome shit...Reminds me of that movie"Real Genius" with Val Kilmer where they created a mobile satellite-guided laser created to vaporize a human target from space.Sounds like the future of war weaponry has just entered its next dimension.

 

[Fonz]

this is why the rest of the world doesnt want us developing a missile defense program, because they know we can do it.

Sorry poink, I don't buy it.

#1. The article didn't specify the power of the laser

#2. It was a MISSILE. Probably going less than 1000 Knots.

To take out an ICBM:

#1 Its terminal velocity is 14,000 Knots
#2 Thermal blooming dirsupts the laser beam, reducing
Peak power distribution from laser to the ICBM

You'd need at least a 18-22 Mega Joule Laser to channel
enough heat to the ICBM in order to incinerate it.

Even then, thermal blooming will GREATLY reduce the
efficiency of the laser.

Even with adaptive Optics(Developed by astrophysicists),
you wouldn't be able to compensate.

Conclusion: The technology is NOT viable fron ICBM's.

For standard missiles yes.

Fonz

 

[2Thick]

Exactly, Fonz!!

 

[XBiker]

Screw icbm's. I wonder if they can use this from planes to shoot troops on the ground, or helicopters against tanks. A helicoper only has like what 30 missiles and then it's done. And a wimpy machien gun. Imagine having an infinate laser gun on it. It'll be like freakin' Star Wars. Imagine troops running for their lvies with helicopters comin' at them firing thousands of lasers. OMG that'd be so funny. If the technology can even do that.

-= nav = -

One problem... Lifting the power source.

 

[XBiker]

I wonder how life outside our planet would feel when a massive energy burst via optical laser comes flying by their planet?

You know sooner or later, these guys are gonna miss their target, so where is the beam going to go?

 

[manny78]

Sorry poink, I don't buy it.

#1. The article didn't specify the power of the laser

#2. It was a MISSILE. Probably going less than 1000 Knots.

To take out an ICBM:

#1 Its terminal velocity is 14,000 Knots
#2 Thermal blooming dirsupts the laser beam, reducing
Peak power distribution from laser to the ICBM

You'd need at least a 18-22 Mega Joule Laser to channel
enough heat to the ICBM in order to incinerate it.

Even then, thermal blooming will GREATLY reduce the
efficiency of the laser.

Even with adaptive Optics(Developed by astrophysicists),
you wouldn't be able to compensate.

Conclusion: The technology is NOT viable fron ICBM's.

For standard missiles yes.

Fonz

I thought the article was talking about a shell, not a missile ? Also when you mention ICBM, do you refer to the warheads or just the missile in its early stages ?

 

[Fonz]

I thought the article was talking about a shell, not a missile ? Also when you mention ICBM, do you refer to the warheads or just the missile in its early stages ?

I read a few papers on the subject.

The best time to hit the ICBM(Basically the missile body+the RV's)
is as soon as it starts re-entry into the atmosphere, at the
top of its flight path. Trying to hit it when its accelerating up-wards or downwards is near impossible. Acceleration is just too erratic.

RV's btw = Re-entry vehicles. Basically U-238 cones

In an ICBM, the warheads(RV's) are part of the missile.

A very elegant concept developed by NASA Engineers.

Fonz

 

[Whiskey]

okay... fonz is starting to scare me. I am starting to wonder who he really works for!



Whiskey

 

[Fonz]

okay... fonz is starting to scare me. I am starting to wonder who he really works for!



Whiskey

LOL

Aerospace+(Soon to be) Nuclear Engineer.
I can read that stuff all day long.

Fonz

 

[Testosterone boy]

They would need to put nuclear reactors in the helicopters, planes, or tanks to generate the requisite power to generate the lasers. That won't happen soon.

A missile defense shield is intriguing(sp?), I'd work on the technology and not hold my breath. I think it would require a real technological breakthrough. A whole new thingamajig.

 

[Fonz]

They would need to put nuclear reactors in the helicopters, planes, or tanks to generate the requisite power to generate the lasers. That won't happen soon.

A missile defense shield is intriguing(sp?), I'd work on the technology and not hold my breath. I think it would require a real technological breakthrough. A whole new thingamajig.

Nuclear reactor? LOL

I wouldn't go that far man........

I've looked at this prob before. It would have to be generated
via hydroelectricity i.e. a damn. Then you'd string some power lines to the laser site.

Then there are the mirrors, the actuators, the lasing cavity, the cryogenic regulators, etc.. etc..

All in all, too complex.

Even one thing goes wrong, it all goes down the shitter.

Fonz

 

[javaguru]

Well, if you told a scientist in 1900 the technological feats we've accomplished today they certainly wouldn't have believed you. As always technology keeps advancing by leaps and bounds.

 

[casavant]

Screw icbm's. I wonder if they can use this from planes to shoot troops on the ground, or helicopters against tanks. A helicoper only has like what 30 missiles and then it's done. And a wimpy machien gun. Imagine having an infinate laser gun on it. It'll be like freakin' Star Wars. Imagine troops running for their lvies with helicopters comin' at them firing thousands of lasers. OMG that'd be so funny. If the technology can even do that.

-= nav = -

LOL. I'm picturing something like the opening scenes from the "Terminator" movies.

 

[Testosterone boy]

Nuclear reactor? LOL

I wouldn't go that far man........

I've looked at this prob before. It would have to be generated
via hydroelectricity i.e. a damn. Then you'd string some power lines to the laser site.

Then there are the mirrors, the actuators, the lasing cavity, the cryogenic regulators, etc.. etc..

All in all, too complex.

Even one thing goes wrong, it all goes down the shitter.

Fonz

So how are you going to string these power lines to the tanks, planes and helicopters that I spoke of?

 

[Fonz]

So how are you going to string these power lines to the tanks, planes and helicopters that I spoke of?

Hand-held lasers with enough wattage to cause damage
are such a hilarious fallacy its not even funny.

A laser is a COHERENT beam of light energy comprised of
excited electrons.

To get enough power to smoke a missile you'd have to align several lasers IN PHASE so that they'd all from up into ONE BEAM
of light.

To align them, you use special mirrors and actuators to protect
against the earths rotaional jitter.

Well, you get the point.....

A REAL laser site would take a LARGE facility.

The only hand held lasers in existance are the chemical ones.
mainly using inert gases like Xenon for example.

These are weak as hell and must be kept STATIONARY
when firing, giving you no dynamic movement.

The most they could do was burn through a pane of common glass in a few minutes after concentrated exposure.

The whole Star Wars concept is overrated.

The technology simply does not exist.

Fonz

 

[XBiker]

So, no one thinks that a stray laser beam tagging another planet could be grounds for an "intergalactic" throwdown?

 

[Haz]

All i can say is, its about time. Back when i was a kid, I thought ray guns would be common by the year 2000. However, I also thought we'd have flying cars, Androids, interstellar flight between planets, and people living on the moon and mars. But instead of having computers that are bent on taking over the world, we got Windows Me. What a freaken disapointment.

 

[Testosterone boy]

All i can say is, its about time. Back when i was a kid, I thought ray guns would be common by the year 2000. However, I also thought we'd have flying cars, Androids, interstellar flight between planets, and people living on the moon and mars. But instead of having computers that are bent on taking over the world, we got Windows Me. What a freaken disapointment.

Dang...all I wanted was a cybernetic sex robot that could could really milk my Johnson.

 

[Norman Bates]

thats something I cant understand. Refuse the right to a coutry to defend its border. Basically like NY rule against bullet proof jackets....

I think there was a treaty signed by the USA and the UDSSR the prohibited the development of such a defense system.
The reason, if i recall correctly, was that both states were so afraid of the counter attack of the other state ,which was the reason that there was no nuclear war.
If one of both had a chance of getting away from that they would have probably initiated a nuclear war.
The treaty was made to prevent that situation.

 

[sermon_of_mockery]

outstanding!!!!It just like when val kilmer made that laser for the military in "real genius".

 

[manny78]

I think there was a treaty signed by the USA and the UDSSR the prohibited the development of such a defense system.
The reason, if i recall correctly, was that both states were so afraid of the counter attack of the other state ,which was the reason that there was no nuclear war.
If one of both had a chance of getting away from that they would have probably initiated a nuclear war.
The treaty was made to prevent that situation.

But back in the time, I think the russian had a better defense system (the Galosh missiles). And if I'm correct the treaty allowed both countires to keep their defense system in 2 cities of their choices. Now that the US are probably ahead of russians concerning ABM system, they should reject the treaty....

 

[Fonz]

But back in the time, I think the russian had a better defense system (the Galosh missiles). And if I'm correct the treaty allowed both countires to keep their defense system in 2 cities of their choices. Now that the US are probably ahead of russians concerning ABM system, they should reject the treaty....

The ABM treaty was so vague it bordered on irrelevant.

During the supposed treaty the Soviets operated a dedicated
ABM test site out of Sary Shagan for 30 years........LOL

Fonz

 

[Testosterone boy]

How far will laser beams travel? What constrains their travel? Atmosphere? Gravity?

 

[Fonz]

How far will laser beams travel? What constrains their travel? Atmosphere? Gravity?

The air around us has a specific density.

The laser beam in essence punches a "hole" through
the air as it travels through it.

Now, because of this, energy is transfered from the laser beam to the air around it. Heating it.

This is inevitable really.

The end result is that you lose 60% of your power because of this.

And btw, a laser beam is colourless, you can't see it.

The only thing you see is a "twinkling" effect as the beam travels through the air and heats it up.

In space, a laser beam would be a kick-ass weapon.

Fonz

 

[sermon_of_mockery]

star wars

 

[Fonz]

star wars

LOL

Stop posting on this thread.......you're making me look at that
damn avatar and I end up not being able to think straight.

Fonz

 

[Testosterone boy]

The air around us has a specific density.

The laser beam in essence punches a "hole" through
the air as it travels through it.

Now, because of this, energy is transfered from the laser beam to the air around it. Heating it.

This is inevitable really.

The end result is that you lose 60% of your power because of this.

And btw, a laser beam is colourless, you can't see it.

The only thing you see is a "twinkling" effect as the beam travels through the air and heats it up.

In space, a laser beam would be a kick-ass weapon.

Fonz

Thanks..there was speculation about the viability of satellites that fired lasers at ICBMs. I doubt we are up to this.

The failure of the Patriot missile to take down SCUDs was a big disappointment. Scuds should be a lot easier than ICBMs I would think.

 

[T-800]

I wonder how life outside our planet would feel when a massive energy burst via optical laser comes flying by their planet?

You know sooner or later, these guys are gonna miss their target, so where is the beam going to go?

lol