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PHATchik
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That's the last time I let you help me research, lol. It gets you too inquisitive. 
I think that the ACLU has its good points and its bad points. Yes, they make sure that the little man has representation. And they are completely unbiased in their services, such as the fact that they have represented Nazi parties and the Ku Klux Klan. The ACLU said that although they don't agree with the groups' ideologies, that they have rights and freedoms as much as any other group.
My thing is, if you don't believe in a group or its ideas, then how can you show support to them?
Also, they are strong supporters of Affirmative Action which I do not believe in. I think that people's merits should get them the job. Not their gender or race or any other guidelines like that.
I think that the ACLU has its good points and its bad points. Yes, they make sure that the little man has representation. And they are completely unbiased in their services, such as the fact that they have represented Nazi parties and the Ku Klux Klan. The ACLU said that although they don't agree with the groups' ideologies, that they have rights and freedoms as much as any other group.
My thing is, if you don't believe in a group or its ideas, then how can you show support to them?
Also, they are strong supporters of Affirmative Action which I do not believe in. I think that people's merits should get them the job. Not their gender or race or any other guidelines like that.
Taps
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This is what you get for writing an eight page research paper the day before it's due. 
I, for one, think it's great that they defend obviously malevolent groups like the KKK. For the ACLU, It's not about supporting a particular groups' ideas -- it's about supporting their right to voice those ideas.
And are you sure your definition of "Afermative Action" is the same as the ACLU's?
I, for one, think it's great that they defend obviously malevolent groups like the KKK. For the ACLU, It's not about supporting a particular groups' ideas -- it's about supporting their right to voice those ideas.
And are you sure your definition of "Afermative Action" is the same as the ACLU's?
PHATchik
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Taps said:This is what you get for writing an eight page research paper the day before it's due.
I, for one, think it's great that they defend obviously malevolent groups like the KKK. For the ACLU, It's not about supporting a particular groups' ideas -- it's about supporting their right to voice those ideas.
And are you sure your definition of "Afermative Action" is the same as the ACLU's?
"the national organization implemented an internal affirmative action policy requiring that the ACLU’s board of directors and staff consist of 50 percent women and 20 percent minorities." That's straight from Microsoft Encarta. So yes, we both have the same definition of Affirmative Action. They strongly support the concept.
And I suppose that I am just a bit biased in voicing support for the ACLU in defending those groups. I don't agree with either of their goals and ideologies, so naturally, I won't really like them finding support in a group as powerful as the ACLU. Logically, I understand they have the right to voice their opinion. Personally, I feel quite different.
And yes, I have waited til the day before to do this damn paper. But that's ok, since you'll be keeping me company til the wee hours of the morning til I get it done!
Baby Gorilla
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WRONG....
Yes, this has been well-documented.
That's just a lie. Christians who are discriminated against get no help from the ACLU, but if a wickken even claims unfair treatment, they will jump on the case.PHATchik said:
Yes, this has been well-documented.
PHATchik
Studio Gangsta
Re: WRONG....
They use some things for test cases. Tennessee vs. Scopes was a test case back in 1925. They simply wanted to test teh constutionality of evolution. I don't think that you can say that one group does not receive support. It's not based on who the group is or the KKK would not have gotten assistance. To the ACLU, it's based on rights and freedom. Whoever cries, "I'm being discriminated against" gets help. So, no, it's not a lie. It's simply a matter of what works for the ACLU.
Baby Gorilla said:
They use some things for test cases. Tennessee vs. Scopes was a test case back in 1925. They simply wanted to test teh constutionality of evolution. I don't think that you can say that one group does not receive support. It's not based on who the group is or the KKK would not have gotten assistance. To the ACLU, it's based on rights and freedom. Whoever cries, "I'm being discriminated against" gets help. So, no, it's not a lie. It's simply a matter of what works for the ACLU.
Baby Gorilla
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Still WRONG....
What works for the ACLU is an anti-Christian agenda. Several Christains who have been discriminated against have gotten no help from the ACLU. Prayer in school. Equal access to public facilities during non-school hours for religion-based, student-led, extracurricular clubs. These issues were deemed by the courts as legal rights. THE ACLU FOUGHT THEM. Christians were denied use of facilities they paid taxes to support while other secular groups were given access with no questions asked. The Christians had to hire their own lawyers to get their day in court.
Student-led prayer is 100% legal. Why is it the ACLU pops up and threatens to file a lawsuit if the school doesn't prohibit it? They know (1) that the school can't do that due to prior court rulings, and (2) this only proves their anti-Christian agenda.
I remember my first college graduation ceremony (2-year college). They got some tofu-eating ecumenical idiot who said a prayer that covered about every religion you could imagine....including burnt toast (I think). I found it pointless and insulting. In an effort to be PC, and legally non-favoring of any religion, they insulted all of them in one fell swoop.
Your last sentance negates your whole statement.PHATchik said:
What works for the ACLU is an anti-Christian agenda. Several Christains who have been discriminated against have gotten no help from the ACLU. Prayer in school. Equal access to public facilities during non-school hours for religion-based, student-led, extracurricular clubs. These issues were deemed by the courts as legal rights. THE ACLU FOUGHT THEM. Christians were denied use of facilities they paid taxes to support while other secular groups were given access with no questions asked. The Christians had to hire their own lawyers to get their day in court.
Student-led prayer is 100% legal. Why is it the ACLU pops up and threatens to file a lawsuit if the school doesn't prohibit it? They know (1) that the school can't do that due to prior court rulings, and (2) this only proves their anti-Christian agenda.
I remember my first college graduation ceremony (2-year college). They got some tofu-eating ecumenical idiot who said a prayer that covered about every religion you could imagine....including burnt toast (I think). I found it pointless and insulting. In an effort to be PC, and legally non-favoring of any religion, they insulted all of them in one fell swoop.
collegiateLifter
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Overall i like them.
a lot of people can't see the forest for the trees though I'm afraid.
a lot of people can't see the forest for the trees though I'm afraid.
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