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Test vs. Testless Cycles
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THE GOOD SUN
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i have ran both test and testless cycles ...but alot of my cycles have had a habbit of mutating into other cycles either by way of a bridge or change of compounds or just a simple continuance ...now being said, i have been fortunate in the sense that recovery for me has never been too bad ...so i really can't say, or don't remember one being easier to recover from than the other ...most likely due to the fact that i can't quite clearly remember, for the most part, where some ended and others began.
i would say though, that when i have PCT'd in the past and when i do now, i have always used HCG (and even during cycle sometimes) and that probably had everything to do with it
if TREN, for example is going to shut you down ...then it's going to shut you down, period ...and so i'd say that the presence or absence of TEST at that point (remember we're talking about how TEST would apply to recovery) ...would neither hinder nor accelerate recovery aside from the fact that a longer TEST ester would delay PCT commencement in general
i would say though, that when i have PCT'd in the past and when i do now, i have always used HCG (and even during cycle sometimes) and that probably had everything to do with it
if TREN, for example is going to shut you down ...then it's going to shut you down, period ...and so i'd say that the presence or absence of TEST at that point (remember we're talking about how TEST would apply to recovery) ...would neither hinder nor accelerate recovery aside from the fact that a longer TEST ester would delay PCT commencement in general
gettnlarge01
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All my cycles had test in them but its an interesting thought.
I always use test in every possible scenario in BB'ing. When i'm dialing in the conditioning, i just switch from oil to water the last few weeks before the show. In the offseason, i really don't have a problem with a little water bloat, weight pushes weight, so i just recruit as many muscle fibers as possible for my lifts. Nevertheless, i'm not the one to answer your question because i always need my test.
krishna
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THE GOOD SUN said:
Ya sounds right, but I got shut down harder than ever on tren/test. On tren/eq my nuts are still hanging low and it's been 15 weeks. Same thing happened with deca/test. Got shut down and lost my libido. On deca/eq, recovery was a sinch. Your theory sounds good on paper, but obviously doesn't apply to my own personal experiences.
black sheep
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krishna said:
How is your libido on that tren/eq for that long? Any erection issues? Are you taking any anti-e, dostinex or anythign?
Layt out what your cycle is and your results if you dont mind
solidspine
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Couldn’t answer the hypothetical because I wouldn’t even think of a cycle with out test as my base.
Never have Never will.
A cycle without test seems like a waste of time or at least only half a cycle.
Never have Never will.
A cycle without test seems like a waste of time or at least only half a cycle.
THE GOOD SUN
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krishna said:
i guess not ...and no doubt you're experienced enough to know what's goin' on with yourself ...what can i say everybody's different ...i must admit though i am more than a little curious about how you make out on your long TREN only cycle ...i guess just be sure to keep us posted through PCT & bloodwork & etc.
chazk
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i wont go over 200mg of test cyp per week in a cycle .the side are just to much , acne on my back along with strange squiggly hairs seem to pop up almost over night on my triceps and shoulders .Nothing matches test for strenght nothing .My latest few cycles have been with eq , anavar, tbol,primo and winstrol aranged and stacked diff each time. My recovery has been very fast with aromasin clomid and hcg by week 4 I feel great and close to normal .i did a cycle once with test at 750mg a week and deca at 400mg a week it took months atleast 4 to get back to normal. so i say lower or no test cycles can be used and be effective in a fast recovery .while the higher test seemed to shut me down the reason i think is becuase i was strong as a ox on higher test then when you lose the strenght it hits you hard and rebuilding the strenght seems to take forever
krishna
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My cycle
eq: 600mg/wk
tren e: 375mg/wk
proviron: 50mg/wk
bromo: 2.5mg/day
My libido isn't perfect but at least it's still there. When I did tren/test, I lost it after about 6 weeks and it didn't come back for months. This is my 15th and final week with the tren. I'm gonna run another week or two of eq and add 30mg a day of dbol for 3-4 weeks. I'll hit up the hcg after the second week of dbol for 3.5 weeks, overlapping the dbol for a week or two, then clomid and nolva after the second week of hcg so I have a bit of an overlap on those too. By the time I get to the clomid and nolva, all the eq will have cleared my system and I should recover fine. I'll be taking bromo ed for the next few months too.
eq: 600mg/wk
tren e: 375mg/wk
proviron: 50mg/wk
bromo: 2.5mg/day
My libido isn't perfect but at least it's still there. When I did tren/test, I lost it after about 6 weeks and it didn't come back for months. This is my 15th and final week with the tren. I'm gonna run another week or two of eq and add 30mg a day of dbol for 3-4 weeks. I'll hit up the hcg after the second week of dbol for 3.5 weeks, overlapping the dbol for a week or two, then clomid and nolva after the second week of hcg so I have a bit of an overlap on those too. By the time I get to the clomid and nolva, all the eq will have cleared my system and I should recover fine. I'll be taking bromo ed for the next few months too.
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UA_Iron
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you running HCG through out your cycles?
krishna
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UA_Iron said:
I did 4 weeks of hcg midway through and I'll do it at the end. Those of you who use test as your base don't realize that you're slowing collagen formation. You're actually weakening your ligaments and tendons while building huge amounts of muscle. Other gear like EQ will actually accelerate collagen formation, but if you throw in supraphysiological doses of test with it, it's slowed down once again.
Guvna
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KD1 said:
theres never been a study on it, so I couldnt tell ya. There is only studies mentioning testosterone as one of the metabolites. However, educated guess based on my metabolite research: approx 75-100mgs per 600 of EQ ( I could very well be 100% wrong here). Take that with a huge grain of salt.
But it DOES convert.
elmerpr
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krishna said:
wow, man, your gear-life is so intense! 15 weeks of tren is something terrible. how do you sleep? well... that AWSOME body of yours (i was looking at your pictures in that thread) did not came for free, obviously it has to take a lot of gear... but here you are talking about 20 weeks on cycle-pct! i did my last cycle with test-tren-enanthate and i crashed badly... though, i did not crased with test-EQ, so it is difficult to relate the crash with test...
