Test Sust breakdown?

[SgtSlaughter]

In the newbie sticky is states the Sustenon Ester has a 1/2 life of 15-18 days...

But I've found this:

For all you sust lovers out there note that the following esters and amounts are used:
30mg Propionate
55mg Phenylpropionate
65mg Caproate
100mg Decanoate

So what's right? What's the 411 on "Sust?"

 

[tiggerizme]

E3D minimum will give you the best results. That's the bottom line.. EOD is most beneficial to take action from all esters...

 

[SgtSlaughter]

E3D minimum will give you the best results. That's the bottom line.. EOD is most beneficial to take action from all esters...

What brought you to that conclusion?

(I'm not being a "shit-stirrer". I just want back up... to learn and absorb facts)

 

[string_bean00]

There isn't a "sustanon ester", sust is a mix of all the esters you posted above.


the half life listed is for the longest ester in the mix, the decanoate

 

[tiggerizme]

There isn't a "sustanon ester", sust is a mix of all the esters you posted above.


the half life listed is for the longest ester in the mix, the decanoate

And to get the full effect of the least acting ester you would inject how frequently??? EOD or E3D just as I stated, RIGHT???

 

[SgtSlaughter]

There isn't a "sustanon ester", sust is a mix of all the esters you posted above.
the half life listed is for the longest ester in the mix, the decanoate

ok...

Active Half-life of Steroids and Esters:

Depot steroids Drug Active half-life
Sustanon or Omnadren 15 to 18 days
Testosterone Cypionate 12 days
Testosterone Enanthate 10.5 days
Testosterone Propionate 4.5 days
Testosterone Suspension 1 day

Steroid esters Drug Active half-life
Formate 1.5 days
Acetate 3 days
Propionate 4.5 days
Phenylpropionate 4.5 days
Butyrate 6 days
Valerate 7.5 days
Hexanoate 9 days
Caproate 9 days
Isocaproate 9 days
Heptanoate 10.5 days
Enanthate 10.5 days
Octanoate 12 days
Cypionate 12 days
Nonanoate 13.5 days
Decanoate 15 days
Undecanoate 16.5 days

So... my next question...


What's a Depot vs Ester?

 

[string_bean00]

same thing

unless theres a super technical difference I'm not aware of

 

[string_bean00]

And to get the full effect of the least acting ester you would inject how frequently??? EOD or E3D just as I stated, RIGHT???

true


although the sust argument will go on forever, since it's used for hrt to be injected once a month

a few mg of prop in a cycle won't make a difference in the end

 

[tiggerizme]

But you want to take full effect of all esters.. Including the least frequent one being Propionate.. EOD or E3D.. E an C are both long esthers, they will maintain whilst the short acting esthers are only being used half the time if not injected at least E3D..

 

[string_bean00]

true I never denied that

but 30mg of prop eod or e3d isn't going to make a difference in the end


I don't use sust, not into blends so I've never taken a side in the argument. if I ever used it I'd probably shot ED though

 

[SgtSlaughter]

But you want to take full effect of all esters.. Including the least frequent one being Propionate.. EOD or E3D.. E an C are both long esthers, they will maintain whilst the short acting esthers are only being used half the time if not injected at least E3D..

Ok, stop hyjacking my thread for your own self satisfacion of getting someone to agree with you.

But, I would agree that with the short esters to get the benfits: E3D or E4D shots seem like they'd be the most efficient in the manner of level stabilization.

 

[tiggerizme]

true I never denied that

but 30mg of prop eod or e3d isn't going to make a difference in the end


I don't use sust, not into blends so I've never taken a side in the argument. if I ever used it I'd probably shot ED though

Yeah you're right to a certain degree, 30mg's of Prop isn't anything beneficial, however, injected 3x's a week would be 90mg's a week which is a sufficient dosage of Propionate.. Yes??? Of course it is and that's what I'm trying to convince the fella of.. If you're taking Propionate on it's own I would suggest 100mg' EOD for a more advanced level, obviously you won't get that w/EOD of Sust, however you will get a more of a direct shot of a beneficial cycle of a shorter esther..

 

[GoldenDelicious]

ok...


So... my next question...


What's a Depot vs Ester?

hi, pharmacist

in pharmacy, a depot is a means of administering a drug so that there is an inactive resovoir of drug in the body taht seeps out over time to exert an effect. when you inject an oily drug like sustanon, it forms a blob of drug containing material in your tissues (your leg, arm, wherever the inject site was), and slowly seeps out into you blood over time, making its way to the tissues where it exerts its action (steroids act body wide. womens contraceptive depots, for example, are implanted in the arm or wherever and exert their effects in the uterus. same thing.)

teh esters you guys are talking about are the molecules that the testosteron emolecule is attached to, that slowly degrade over time (the testosterone splits from the ester molecule abnd enters the blood as free testosterone). if we injected free testosterone, it egts absorbed and used very very quickly in the body, and really doesnt form a depot at all - which sucks, unless you like injecting every single day. so waht we do is attach it to an ester, to control the type of depot we get, adn how long it takes for all teh active drug to seep out

different ester molecules split from testosterone (or otehr drugs, you can use them for lots of things) at different rates, releasing testosterone into teh blood at different speeds. some release teh drug over the course of a week. others, a month. by choosing the ester we want, we can control our therapy better.

the thing you have to remember is no matter the ester you use, they all start out releasing testosterone quite quickly in the beginning then inevitably taper down. its not a perfectly sustained release.

sustanon is a funny product because its a mix of several esters, so if we drew a graph of free testosterone vs time after injecting it, we get a funny, bumpy looking curve, becasue teh curve is really teh sum of the 4 individual curves of teh 4 individual esters in it. anyone with good excel skills should be able to plot out such a graph.

when youre confused, use common sense. sustanon is made for people to inject once a month or so. a drug is considered to be out of your body after 3 half lives. divide a month by 3, and you come to the conclusion that the effective, useful halflife of a product like sustanon is something like 10 days.

the only thing you need to be careful about in the case of sust is at the end of your cycle, it hangs around in high enough quantities to keep you supressed, but not really growing terribly much - which is why i think its a lot smarter to use sust in the beginning and middle of a cycle (easy, infrequent injects) but to switch over exclusively to a faster acting (faster in, faster out) ester later on, so that you can control your end point better, and really judge when to start pct accurately.

i only talked this much because we're talking about sust, most popular roid ever imo

brr, i hate you.