Test + Stacke for masculinisation

[DeGrey]

Hi,

I would like to know what would be better for an excessive masculinisation?

A Cycle with hight amount of Test such as 2g of Test P per Week

or

A Cycle with Test and a strong androgenic compound such as Masteron P in moderate dose (Test P 700mg/week, Mast P 700mg/Week)?

Primarily I am aiming for a full beard, strong body hair, deep voice and the growth of the musculus masseter. Hair loss isn't for me a problem.

I don't stack HGH yet, although I'd like to in order to get my chin bigger and also my browridge.

Please understand that is a serious question. I'd be appreciative if you could answer my question.

 

[Liquid 2009]

Stacke

 

[DeGrey]

I meant "stack". Was a typing error for sure.

 

[DeGrey]

@Liquid

could you be please so kind correcting the title of the thread to stack instead of stacke? That would be better. Thank you in advance.

 

[bonacris]

Is this serious

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[DeGrey]

Is this serious

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yes it is! Haven't you read my first post?

 

[bonacris]

yes it is! Haven't you read my first post?

I tried to but I was laughing

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[RickRock13]

So, you want to run steroids for body hair, a beard, and a deep voice? That makes absolutely no sense at all unless you are a female trying to become a man

 

[stevesmi]

having body hair is a genetic trait.

you can take your T levels to 10,000 levels and still struggle to grow hair. or vice versa. will higher T levels result in faster growing hair? yes.. I shave on cycle every 3 days vs. every 4 days.. but its not that big a difference since your genetics are lacking in that department.

I would count no body hair as a blessing.. how old are you anyway?

 

[DeGrey]

@Stevesmi
I am 25 years old. I already took 3-4 days ed 50mg Test P, unfortunately not longer because I got mostly fakes. In a few days I had just noticed how I got belly hair, shoulder, chest and also back hair - I never had these hair before. I was very surprised about the effect since I took only low dose and for a very short period of time.

How much Test did you take per week for the low dose and high dose cycle? so That your hair did grow faster?

@RickRock
I am a male but lacking of having strong manly facial feature. Since I got a receding chin and a weak browridge, people consider me as a child who is around 13-14. Women doesn't have any interest in me because they see me as physically way too young. I don't want to get too deep into that. But it is something people who have the same problem like me only understands.
However I have heard from a few men that Masteron on low dose changed their voice. Their voices went very deep even though they had got already a moderate deep voice before their cycle. It became much more darker. Even friends noticed that. Because of that reason I have started to ask myself if a high amount of test wouldn't have the same results. Obviously it does not happen to every male who take steroids.


So what would you think is better to achieve a strong virilization? High Test or Test + Stack?

 

[ha1a1]

Have you considered cosmetic surgery? Your lower jaw may come forward to give your chin more prominence. This procedure is sometimes done for dental reasons or to allow certain individuals a clearer breathing path which can improve sleep and quality of life. At any rate you should accept your appearance and be proud of who you are now, and your features...before any kind of body changing activity.

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[DeGrey]

Have you considered cosmetic surgery? Your lower jaw may come forward to give your chin more prominence. This procedure is sometimes done for dental reasons or to allow certain individuals a clearer breathing path which can improve sleep and quality of life. At any rate you should accept your appearance and be proud of who you are now, and your features...before any kind of body changing activity.

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of course I have considered it. But it wouldn't make me appear like a proper male. The brow ridge and the facial hair does matter too. And also it is not just about the length of your chin, it is also about the width of the chin which makes it look more like a men with high testosterone level. And I don't want to reach that goal by just making a surgery. I wouldn't feel naturally like a men. having a piece of plastic under my chin. I just want the bones to grow with the biochemical way. Even if it means I need to take 10IU-15IU of HGH per day and Insulin. But for now I just want to test AAS only in order to see small changes.
Accepting my body and my appearance throughout my genes is something I can't take it due to my experiences in the past and childhood. But as I said earlier. I don't want to get too deep into that discussion.

 

[stevesmi]

well I understand your dilemma but as you get older and older looking younger will become an advantage.. you don't see it now as you are only 25 but wait till you are 35 or 40 and see how many women you get cause you look like you are in your 20's and you might have a change of heart

 

[DeGrey]

well I understand your dilemma but as you get older and older looking younger will become an advantage.. you don't see it now as you are only 25 but wait till you are 35 or 40 and see how many women you get cause you look like you are in your 20's and you might have a change of heart

Forgiveness, but you don't understand it due to your point of advantage you brought up. That is the only thing people see through this problem. Even if I would look younger in my 40, I would still not look mainly due to the missing mainly facial feature and thus not attractive for women. How is a younger look be useful concerning women if you don't look good? That is the difference you have to make - young does not mean - good looking (mainly). It is about the facial characteristic which makes you look good.

Now I'd be appreciative if we could stop this offtopic discussion. I'd like to talk about the Test and stack.

 

[Zinergy]

You do realize that these changes are only temporary? You aren't going to permanently change any of those characteristics.

 

[DeGrey]

You do realize that these changes are only temporary? You aren't going to permanently change any of those characteristics.

No I don't realize it. My body hair which I got from Test P still remains after 2-3 months. and they still grow but slower. I did not have any of them till I ran Test P.

TThe Voice changes of a few male/friends have remained constant. It didn't get any higher after they stopped the cycle and they were the same age as me.

And of course the side effect of HGH such as bone growth are permanently.

 

[ha1a1]

Regarding your chin/ jaw forwarding , there are more options than a simple implant that your dentist or orthodentist/ cosmetic dentistry professional can offer you. Sometimes the jaw can be wired and reset or broken and moved forward. It will depend on the alignment of your upper and lower teeth. Do not change your appearance for a woman or women. Do it for you if you must. focus on making money and being succesful and the woman will be attracted to you for who are and what you may be able to provide for her and potential children.

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[stevesmi]

Forgiveness, but you don't understand it due to your point of advantage you brought up. That is the only thing people see through this problem. Even if I would look younger in my 40, I would still not look mainly due to the missing mainly facial feature and thus not attractive for women. How is a younger look be useful concerning women if you don't look good? That is the difference you have to make - young does not mean - good looking (mainly). It is about the facial characteristic which makes you look good.

Now I'd be appreciative if we could stop this offtopic discussion. I'd like to talk about the Test and stack.

post up a pic bro cause I am still confused..

so are you saying you look like a female?

 

[Zinergy]

If androgens permanently changed you or your friends characteristics you guys just weren't done growing.

Any androgenic effect I get always go away post cycle, maybe it's just placebo for you. The compounds won't permanently change your predisposed DNA.

Hgh is a different story.

 

[DeGrey]

If androgens permanently changed you or your friends characteristics you guys just weren't done growing.

Any androgenic effect I get always go away post cycle, maybe it's just placebo for you. The compounds won't permanently change your predisposed DNA.

Hgh is a different story.

well I am 25 and he was 28 - I guess that is the time were people can say the puberty is over. No more bone growth. And no that is not a placebo at all, because other people have noticed the deepening of the voice and it have remained constant.

I didn't say it changes his facial characteristic, I have said that he got a deep voice from Masteron and I got body hair from test. As I said it does not happen to everyone. And stop talking about theory it does not always apply to the reality.

 

[stevesmi]

yeah bro you gotta understand you are on a board full of lifters and bodybuilders.. we juice to get stronger and bigger so this type of thing is going to get a lot of head scratching..

its like if you went to a football site and started talking about baseball ..

 

[Fitguy3030]

We need a pic to see what he means

 

[DeGrey]

I understand but Im tired of explaining everyone my situatione even though I just wanted to know what cycle cause a bigger virilization and no one had answered it by now. Just doubting the assertion I made and I have to explain it again.

Please be so kind and stop discussing about "why I want to make these changes". I'd be glad if you would focus more on the main question "how to get a mainly face" and what sort of stack and how much is needed.

 

[Fitguy3030]

Just do a 12 week test cycle at like 500 mgs and train hard and get muscular and I'm sure you will look more manly

 

[RickRock13]

I understand but Im tired of explaining everyone my situatione even though I just wanted to know what cycle cause a bigger virilization and no one had answered it by now. Just doubting the assertion I made and I have to explain it again.

Please be so kind and stop discussing about "why I want to make these changes". I'd be glad if you would focus more on the main question "how to get a mainly face" and what sort of stack and how much is needed.

You have to understand our position. As a moderator of this site, we dont just recommend stacks of steroids to everyone. If people are using them for the wrong reasons, not knowledgeable enough about them, and are clearly not in a position ready to use them, then we can't advise you. I feel you fall into more than one of these categories, and steroids ate not the answer for you

 

[stevesmi]

Just do a 12 week test cycle at like 500 mgs and train hard and get muscular and I'm sure you will look more manly

problem is when he comes off he will likely go into a deep depression and end up in worse position than before.

and the things he wants to get out of steroids is just not possible. steroids don't change the way a man looks.. now a female, yeah .. if she ran male hormones she would start exhibiting male characteristics over time.. wide shoulders, muscles, hair, possible deepening voice.. just go to a competition and see what some of the females look like and its obvious they are juicing up. but a male using steroids? its gonna be a very slight difference and just not a good reason to run juice. now if the guy were to hit the weight room hard, bust his ass, build a base then I would have no issue with him using steroids to push himself to the next level.. but that's not what he wants to do at all. he just doesn't like the way he looks and thinks steroids are a quick fix.

if he wants to start looking like a man.. hit the freakin weight room hard.. lift big to get big.. and start eating like a man. its gonna take time.. if he started eating what I eat on a daily basis he would probably puke cause his body just isn't used to all the food..

 

[ha1a1]

Exactly. 3-4 years of hitting the weights and his face will look different for sure. Develop a thick neck. That is a masculine trait. You dont see pitbulls with skinny necks.

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[jester72]

DeGrey, as multiple people have said already, you need to post some pictures of yourself and the areas you want to change. Without being able to actually see what you're talking about, no one can give you any kind of advice. You have seasoned veterans stumped here, so you need to do as they ask.

As for your plan to use steroids and HGH to accomplish what you've said, it's a terrible idea. 10iu-15iu of HGH per day along with slin, just to grow your brow ridge and chin? This is easily one of the stupidest things I have read in a long time on EF. You do realize that one error, one small fuck up with slin you're dead right? I'm sorry if you think this is harsh, but it the stark reality of things. If you're risking death to grow your brow ridge and chin, or to get girls, you have way more that just cosmetic and body dysmorphia issues.