Test Prop / Cyp Question

[Smokescreen]

I know that during cutting cycles, it is best to use Test prop at 50mgs twice a week. Would there be anything wrong with taking just 100mgs of Cyp once a week? Seems to me like it is the same shit. Or am I wrong?

I went here and put in 100mgs of Cyp for 1 day and then put 50mgs of prop twice a week. At the end results...it looks like the same shit to me.

http://www.come.to/roidcalc

 

[jbradley2093]

Carth,

Prop is best run ED or EOD. 50mg Daily minimum or 100mg EOD minimum. The prop itself has nothing special for "Fat Burning" or "Cutting". I think many prefer it since it shows results faster, and is out of your system faster as well.

During cutting cycles many run all short half life gear, such as running a Prop/Tren/Winny cycle then starting PCT 3 days after last injection.

There is no reason you could NOT run Cyp instead, but I would run the prop.

 

[Smokescreen]

Let me correct something here. During a Tren/Winny cycle, Test is going to be needed. Hence the reason for Prop. Less estrogen, less bloat. Why? Because less Test buildup. Yes it is in faster and out faster....less bloat because of no buildup. So i figured...why not just take 100mgs of Cyp once a week? Do the math on the roid calc and you'll see that it is almost out in a week. Do the same for prop at 50mgs on say day 1 and day 4.

 

[jbradley2093]

Let me correct something here. During a Tren/Winny cycle, Test is going to be needed. Hence the reason for Prop. Less estrogen, less bloat. Why? Because less Test buildup. Yes it is in faster and out faster....less bloat because of no buildup. So i figured...why not just take 100mgs of Cyp once a week? Do the math on the roid calc and you'll see that it is almost out in a week. Do the same for prop at 50mgs on say day 1 and day 4.

Sounds like you already knew the answer to your question....

 

[TheRide]

I know that during cutting cycles, it is best to use Test prop at 50mgs twice a week. Would there be anything wrong with taking just 100mgs of Cyp once a week? Seems to me like it is the same shit. Or am I wrong?

I went here and put in 100mgs of Cyp for 1 day and then put 50mgs of prop twice a week. At the end results...it looks like the same shit to me.

http://www.come.to/roidcalc

I r/ber a similar post to this a year or so ago w/prop and Enth... I think GoldenDel who explained pharmacology behind both of them. My take (and unscientific take) on it is prop should be run 100mg/EOD or E2D during a cutting phase. Cyp/Enth (almost one in the same) can be run once a week or broken up to bi-weekly shots to keep you blood levels costant. Cath, I know you do this so it's not news to you.

Also, in terms of PCT. You can start much sooner after a prop run then cyp/enth. I started 3 days after my last shot when I ran prop and winstrol at the tail end of cycle and had no recovery prob. The benfit is you are more likly to keep your gains since your PCT should bring your natty test levels back online sonner then PCT after a enath/cyp run (b/c you have to wait 14-21 days to let these clear your system)

Not saying this is right or wrong, just my experiences. Bump for more input!

 

[Smokescreen]

I don't do PCT. So lets not talk about that. And IMO, I think 100mgs of Test Prop EOD is fucking insane for a " CUTTING " cycle! Unless you use anti-Es. But that would be stupid.

 

[TheRide]

I don't do PCT. So lets not talk about that. And IMO, I think 100mgs of Test Prop EOD is fucking insane for a " CUTTING " cycle! Unless you use anti-Es. But that would be stupid.

EOD or E2D... for some guys here EOD is what they would need... And why in your opinion are anti-e's stupid?

 

[Dr Krank]

I don't do PCT. So lets not talk about that. And IMO, I think 100mgs of Test Prop EOD is fucking insane for a " CUTTING " cycle! Unless you use anti-Es. But that would be stupid.

First off.. if you want to keep the majority of your gains then PCT is a given. Second... what is the point of doing 100mg of test a week. Are you aware of how much you are already producing naturally? 350mg a week of prop. during a cutting stage is by no means insane. Test. can play a major role in fat loss, so why not add prop. into your cutting stage and then an anti E at the end to shed any excess water?

 

[Smokescreen]

Ok...were going wwwaaaayy off the subject. So I'll just say this and we'll leave at that. But please, lets get back to the main subject. I do not do PCT because I am on HRT. Doing a PCT doesn't do shit for me and hasn't done shit for me in years. I am on gear ALL FUCKING YEAR ROUND! I do not come off, I do not do PCT.

Now that I said that I'm sure some of you are now concerned about my health. You shouldn't be at all. My doc knows I do this, he checks me out about 3-4 times a year and everything always comes back BETTER than someone who doesn't do gear at all!

350mgs of Test per week is 350mg of Test per week!!!!! That fucking ester doesn't mean shit!!! 350mgs a week is WWAAAAAAAAAAYY fucking more than what you would produce normally. So you better expect some of that shit to convert to Estro!

I'm talking about a Winny/Tren cycle. You need fucking TEst to keep your libido up you know! Hence why Prop is used. 50mgs twice a week is what is used while taking shit like Tren, winny, var, primo, masteron.

So that is the reason why I asked you bros...why take 50mgs or even 100mgs of Prop twice a week? It seems to me that 100mgs ( 1 fucking shot! ) of Cyp a week will cover that. But I said...thats what it seems to me would be the same thing. So all I wanted to know ( from someone who is KNOWLEDGABLE ) to answer this for me.

Maybe I didn't think this out right? Maybe I am right?

 

[Smokescreen]

And dr krank....please tell me your not a real doc. I'm getting sick of all the wannabe docs we got here. I hate docs!

 

[jbradley2093]

And dr krank....please tell me your not a real doc. I'm getting sick of all the wannabe docs we got here. I hate docs!

Carth,

You have been a bit on the touchy side lately.. Are you in the middle of a tren cycle??? LOL

 

[Smokescreen]

Nah! Just getting a little fed up with how things are going around here lately. I am not the only complaining about this. But don't worry bro...your a good bro.

 

[hardrock]

I'd say for libido 50 mgs prop twice a week would be fine. BTW I just started HRT. How long you been on? What doses of what? Results?

 

[Lowest]

Since you normally use enth I believe for your HRT, I would stick with that. Enth or cyp, 100mg once a week should be enough to keep your willy working. Personally I'd have to take 200mg/week to keep my test levels high enough, but mine are naturally around 900, I have to take more test than most to get good results, you probably don't. So, in the interest of sticking yourself less, and keeping more even blood levels, I say go with cyp 1x per week. I don't think 100mg/week will cause your blood levels to be above normal so you shouldn't get any major aromatization.

 

[genesis]

You are absolutely correct Xmgs of test is Xmgs of test..

The ester does mean something though, if it didn't why would there be any discussion about esters period?

I'm sure you are aware of this already, but the arguement always given is more stable blood levels of the testosterone.. that is why you want to use long esters.

However, by what I've been reading lately apparently it seems as if frequent injections even with long esters are needed to maintain stable levels....
I've also been told that roid calc is flawed, when I get some time I'll try to pull up some studies from pubmed, showing how to properly calculate roid half life using an equation. What it comes down to is that half lifes are actually much shorter. The thread is over at musclenexus if anyone frequents that board.

Btw, how injects prop only twice a week? Don't most people do ED or at least EOD with that?

Sorry if I wasn't any help.

Ok...were going wwwaaaayy off the subject. So I'll just say this and we'll leave at that. But please, lets get back to the main subject. I do not do PCT because I am on HRT. Doing a PCT doesn't do shit for me and hasn't done shit for me in years. I am on gear ALL FUCKING YEAR ROUND! I do not come off, I do not do PCT.

Now that I said that I'm sure some of you are now concerned about my health. You shouldn't be at all. My doc knows I do this, he checks me out about 3-4 times a year and everything always comes back BETTER than someone who doesn't do gear at all!

350mgs of Test per week is 350mg of Test per week!!!!! That fucking ester doesn't mean shit!!! 350mgs a week is WWAAAAAAAAAAYY fucking more than what you would produce normally. So you better expect some of that shit to convert to Estro!

I'm talking about a Winny/Tren cycle. You need fucking TEst to keep your libido up you know! Hence why Prop is used. 50mgs twice a week is what is used while taking shit like Tren, winny, var, primo, masteron.

So that is the reason why I asked you bros...why take 50mgs or even 100mgs of Prop twice a week? It seems to me that 100mgs ( 1 fucking shot! ) of Cyp a week will cover that. But I said...thats what it seems to me would be the same thing. So all I wanted to know ( from someone who is KNOWLEDGABLE ) to answer this for me.

Maybe I didn't think this out right? Maybe I am right?

 

[Smokescreen]

Karma for hardrock, jbradley ( just because he understands me ) and my main man...the big daddy of them all.....LOWEST!!! The lowest son of a bitch you'll ever meet! LOL

So lowest, Tren/winny/proviron are my main cutters. I just need the test in there for libido purposes. Don't really think I need the test for its cutting or muscle purposes. I think the Tren alone will do that just fine! So for libido purposes and to minimize estro you would say 100mgs of Cyp per week will do??? Remember...I will still be taking my usual 500ius of HCG twice a week.


HRT? I've been on HRT for about 3 years but at low dose. I was on Androgel at 10mgs per day. Now for the past year, I just take 500mgs of Test per week. All is fine with me. Doc knows it and he checks me out. All is good.

 

[Smokescreen]

Genesis...you say that roid calc is flawed? Why? If it is...see what can be done about . We must spread the correct information around to our bros. Not bogus info that will fuck us over.