Test or sust?

[Petay Pan]

Right guys, was wondering if any of you could help me solve a little dilemma I'm having. I want to run the following cycle:

Week 1-4: Dbol - 30mg/day
Week 1-8: Sust/Test E - 250mg/E5D
Week 1-14: EQ - 600mg/week
AIFM during and PCT

I'm not sure about whether to go for sust or test. I want to gain as much muscle as possible AND keep it, which is why I have the EQ in there. I'd like the mass building properties from Test that I know I won't get from EQ. However I don't really want that puffy look, which is why I think the sust is an attractive option.

What I want to know is whether I can expect much MASS from the sust. I've heard about the strength gains from sust, but not much in the way of size.

I wanted to keep bloat to a minimum, but I obviously still want lots of lean muscle gain. Should I stick with sust or go with test??

Also will AIFM be enough for PCT for this sort of cycle or should I be looking at some other ancillaries as well?

As a side note I don't really understand how a transdermal product (AIFM) can be as effective. Surely wouldn't it have a higher efficacy in oral form??

Last question (Sorry I know there's quite a few) I worrying about how to shoot the EQ. Do I shoot 300mg twice a week? I know that's the norm but usually when people inject multiple times in a week they say every four days or something like that, but people only say Xmg a week for things like EQ. I'm pretty sure it's not a good idea to jab it all at once, but just making sure.

Thanks guys

 

[solidspine]

Sust and Test E are the same, just have different esters,

In other words, they affect you basically at different times sust if fairly fast Test E is fairly slow,

But Test IS Test,

Some test hurts and I stay away from it, but both sust and Test E are great


But will give you identical results.

 

[Kick-Ass Stack]

Sust is Test. Sust is a multi ester product. I don't remember the breakdown but it typically comes with 4 different esters. Regardless, Test is Test is Test. All test is the same. It only depends on which / how it is esterified. When I say ester, I mean the half life of the product or the timely release.

I'm sure you know by now that if you jab your little ass full of 250mg of Test-E that you are not going to instantly get 250mg more test in your system. Using Test-E with a halflife of 12-14 days (check that my memory isn't what it used to be) then approximately 12-14 days later half of the test has been absorbed into your body.

The reason most people notice immediate strength increases on Sust is because one of its esters is Propionate. Propionate (Prop) is a quick acting ester 2-3 day halflife so it's absorbed much faster than the Test-E. Perhaps I should said released as absorption may be and probably is a little bit different. Hopefully a vet will chime in.

Now, you've proposed shooting 250mg of Test-E or Sust every 5 days. That roughly means you're shooting 350mg of Test/wk. Again you should check my math. It is typically suggested that you stick with 500mg/wk with injections Mon/Thurs. We need to know more about your cycle history, age, bf%, training style, weight etc.

You are correct in running EQ for ~12 weeks. That is typically suggested and 14 is considered even better. The problem is most people recommend running test with eq. It is my personal recommendation that you not stop running your test as PCT will be a bitch if you are stopping test and continuing EQ for an additional 4 weeks. I would stop my EQ and run an additional week of Test and then begin PCT ~2 weeks after my last injection of test.

I've never used AIFM so I can't comment on it. However friends on the board here seem to love the stuff and swear by it. It won't surprise me if macro or Ulter chime in about the product. They know their shit. I typically use Arimidex .5mg to 1mg a day and I always have Femara and Nolvadex on hand.

Depending on how you run your cycle and what test levels you decide on, I would recommend shooting test 2x a week at 500mg and each time jab yourself with a cc of EQ as well.

I hope this helps you some.

 

[Petay Pan]

Sust is Test. Sust is a multi ester product. I don't remember the breakdown but it typically comes with 4 different esters. Regardless, Test is Test is Test. All test is the same. It only depends on which / how it is esterified. When I say ester, I mean the half life of the product or the timely release.

I'm sure you know by now that if you jab your little ass full of 250mg of Test-E that you are not going to instantly get 250mg more test in your system. Using Test-E with a halflife of 12-14 days (check that my memory isn't what it used to be) then approximately 12-14 days later half of the test has been absorbed into your body.

The reason most people notice immediate strength increases on Sust is because one of its esters is Propionate. Propionate (Prop) is a quick acting ester 2-3 day halflife so it's absorbed much faster than the Test-E. Perhaps I should said released as absorption may be and probably is a little bit different. Hopefully a vet will chime in.

Now, you've proposed shooting 250mg of Test-E or Sust every 5 days. That roughly means you're shooting 350mg of Test/wk. Again you should check my math. It is typically suggested that you stick with 500mg/wk with injections Mon/Thurs. We need to know more about your cycle history, age, bf%, training style, weight etc.

You are correct in running EQ for ~12 weeks. That is typically suggested and 14 is considered even better. The problem is most people recommend running test with eq. It is my personal recommendation that you not stop running your test as PCT will be a bitch if you are stopping test and continuing EQ for an additional 4 weeks. I would stop my EQ and run an additional week of Test and then begin PCT ~2 weeks after my last injection of test.

I've never used AIFM so I can't comment on it. However friends on the board here seem to love the stuff and swear by it. It won't surprise me if macro or Ulter chime in about the product. They know their shit. I typically use Arimidex .5mg to 1mg a day and I always have Femara and Nolvadex on hand.

Depending on how you run your cycle and what test levels you decide on, I would recommend shooting test 2x a week at 500mg and each time jab yourself with a cc of EQ as well.

I hope this helps you some.

Thanks for replying.

I know that Sust is test. It's just that I read somewhere that sust doesn't make you retain water I'd post that quote but its also on a source website so I don't want to get done for that!!

So would I have to shoot up 200mg of EQ three times a week, along with the test/sust? Will I be looking like a pincushion with all the different sites I'd have to be using?? lol

Thanks for the advice about bridging the EQ with test, I read that it should be done the other way round with the EQ being carried on two weeks after the test because that is the more harsh compound.

Based on what you've said, I'm inclined to go for 1-10 weeks of Test E and prop for the bridge over from EQ

 

[solidspine]

Try AIFM, it helps so you don't retain water,

At least it helps me.



And sust is great, I love it, I also love Test E and Fina and well almost all gear,

except anadrol, suspension T-400, T-300, hurt.

 

[slat1]

Your diet will drive all of your gains. It will also determine how much you keep.
I would use HCG/clomid for pct.
I would also use AIFM during to keep the bloat down.