Test & EQ vs. Test & Dbol-Which one???

[THE PROTOTYPE2000]

Guys hypothetically speaking, lets say you have two people the same height, weight,training experience, and following the same diet. They're both about to start their first cycle. One guys is going to use Test and EQ(500mgs and 400mgs for 10 weeks,respectively). The other is going to use Test and Dbol(500mgs for 10 weeks and 30mgs a day for 5 weeks) What type of look is the guy using the Test and EQ going to have,as opposed to the other using the Test and Dbol? If you had to go on a limb,which one would gain the most?-THE PROTOTYPE

 

[Gorilla68]

for the first timer i recommed that you go with the d-bol and test, you need to put on some nice size first. or if you already have some size then i would do the eq and test so you would get much better quality muscles
example:
test and d-bol....25 watery pounds
test and eq........20 more solid pounds

 

[TxLonghorn]

Gorilla has some good points. And good guesses of what the results would be.

I also think that just about anybody for their first time will see gains, no matter what the gear is.

But, dbol/test combos have more chance for sides, especially the bloat. Whereas the test/eq combo would not have near the bloat. Either way, I think both stacks are very effective and would go with what you can get and what you can afford.

Also note, I am not a big believer in cutting/bulking stacks. I think some are more conducive sure, but most people equate water retention with bulking, and I hate water. Also, there is less to lose on these kinds of cycles because you aren't going to piss out your gains 1 week after you are off.

Don't get me wrong, dbol is a wonderful drug, it's just that for me to enjoy it, I have to take liquidex. Note, I said me. Everybody is different.

 

[CrazyRican]

i prefer a test eq cycle since you will keep most of your gain. you'll probably gain more off a test/dbol cycle but i thinlk you'll be happier witha test/eq cycle,if you use arimidex/liduidex most will be lean mass. just my 2 cents!!!!!

 

[MikeyLikesJuice]

eq will smoke d-bol on how you look and feel imo

 

[The Iron Game]

In this order:

Testosterone followed by eq followed by dbol.

Use all 3. As I said before and before, at your current weight, you are going to need more than the average Joe to achieve the kind of results you are looking for

 

[Mike80]

d-bol 25mg weeks 1-4
eq 400mg weeks 1-10
test 400-500mg weeks 1-10

Nolvadex on hand in case you get signs of gyno, and clomid for post cycle therapy.

 

[1abbig]

i think gorilla said it pretty well. i prefer using all 3 myself but if it was a choice i would go with the test/dbol. i like fast acting.

 

[THE PROTOTYPE2000]

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[THE PROTOTYPE2000]

Alright,I decided to do all three. Primoteston@500mgs for 10 weeks,EQ@400mgs for 10 weeks,and Dbol@25mgs a day for the first four weeks. [email protected] every other day to keep the gyno away and bloat minimized. Typical newbie bulk cycle.-THE PROTOTYPE

 

[TxLonghorn]

Looks good to me, proto. Let us know how it goes.

 

[Andy13]

Did you guys know that dbol is 17-AA equ? Yup, rip the ester off of equ, add a 17-AA group and you have dbol.

But since the molecular weight of eq is so much higher that dbol's (because of the long ester) equ is only 2/3 as much as dbol on a mg/mg basis.

 

[Yellowbomber]

nice stack prototype this surely will work

 

[TxLonghorn]

Did you guys know that dbol is 17-AA equ? Yup, rip the ester off of equ, add a 17-AA group and you have dbol.

But since the molecular weight of eq is so much higher that dbol's (because of the long ester) equ is only 2/3 as much as dbol on a mg/mg basis.

That's like saying test and methyltest are the same, they just methylated the test so you could take it orally. But we know that test and methyltest do not have the same effects. Just as eq and dbol do not have the same effects.

Eq does not aromatize as easily as dbol, contributes to a 'veiny' appearance, which dbol does not, promotes water retention which eq does not, etc. etc.

 

[Yellowbomber]

Nice explanation TX, although EQ has never got me the vascular look as Winny did, Masteron was nice too

 

[TxLonghorn]

Yellow, isn't it funny how the same drug can have different effects on people. Just take a look at all those deca vs. eq threads. Anyways, I didn't really notice much added vascularity from winny, but the eq, oh yes, lol.

As for masteron, I am dying to try it, but I can't find any that I would consider legitimate. In fact, didn't they stop making it?

 

[Andy13]

That's like saying test and methyltest are the same, they just methylated the test so you could take it orally. But we know that test and methyltest do not have the same effects. Just as eq and dbol do not have the same effects.

Eq does not aromatize as easily as dbol, contributes to a 'veiny' appearance, which dbol does not, promotes water retention which eq does not, etc. etc.

I didn't say they were exactly the same... I just wanted to point out how similar they are, chemically.

So how about that "oral masteron." Is THAT 17-AA masteron?

Andy

 

[TxLonghorn]

So how about that "oral masteron." Is THAT 17-AA masteron?

Andy

Well, I was talking about the injectable masteron. As for the oral, there seems to be quite a debate on just what in the hell it really is.

So, to answer your question, I have no idea.

 

[Yellowbomber]

Again as said, MASTERON is available as real Para is ytou've to make a trip to Andorra that's between France and Spain there you can get both of them without prescription.
AND YES MASTERON IS THE BEST AS available, much better than Para

 

[tiny nuts]

Y would u not go with primo your first time so you can keep all the gains to me thats the only option .primo and sust for the first time .. some one tell me im wrong

 

[Andy13]

Again as said, MASTERON is available as real Para is ytou've to make a trip to Andorra that's between France and Spain there you can get both of them without prescription.
AND YES MASTERON IS THE BEST AS available, much better than Para

Can I make it? Damn right. I'll be on the next flight; first class, sitting next to Vanny White.

Andy

 

[THE PROTOTYPE2000]

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