Test E

[jagerbombme]

hey yall. just wanted to get opinions here. im running

test e 250 ew 1-10
var 60mg ed 1-6


i have a bottle of test cyp sitting here.
this is my first cycle. i have been on now for 17 days, this week started getting amazing strength gains.

looking to do an equal amount of cutting and bulking, not just super bulking.

should i wait a couple more weeks and see how i feel?
should i throw in a cc of cyp ew with the enanth?
should i stay at 250 and see great gains because it's my first cycle?

mainly im asking is 250mg enough for first cycle? just looking for as many opinions on this as possible,


thanks yallz

 

[bverysmart]

bro I do not think 250 is enough for 1st cycle. There is not too much differce between cyp and ent. I would run test e until its out, and then use your cyp. That shoud put you at 500mg/wk for 10 wks.

good luck bro

 

[cityhick]

Bump it up to 500. I just did and am much happier.

 

[X Man]

the difference between enth and cyp is just one carbon on the chain i forget one is 17 and one is 18 i believe?


it would not be a problem to mix them....

if ur getting good gains off 250 stay with it....

any negative side effects...sometimes and extra 100mgs of a compound can take a drug from beneficil to pointless because of the negative sides

 

[littleguy]

Leave it at 250 and ride it out you will be pleased with the results if you train hard enough.
Leave the Cypionate out till a different cycle it is faster acting, does not last as long and is a more painful injection, but does give great results.
You can always take more gear later when your body does not respond as well as it does when you are new to the game.
Yes 500 will give more results faster but also more side effects, play it safe and go slowly now you will be thankful in 10 years, when you still have all the benefits of this lifestyle available to you.
Cheers

 

[jagerbombme]

the difference between enth and cyp is just one carbon on the chain i forget one is 17 and one is 18 i believe?


it would not be a problem to mix them....

if ur getting good gains off 250 stay with it....

any negative side effects...sometimes and extra 100mgs of a compound can take a drug from beneficil to pointless because of the negative sides

that's why i was gonna try and stick it out, but im not getting any negative sides at what im at so it makes me wonder if to look the gifthorse or just enjoy what i am gonna get and guage what i do in the future off this one?

city how you feeling bro? do you feel the same as before only stronger or does it get more mental at a higher dose?

 

[cityhick]

that's why i was gonna try and stick it out, but im not getting any negative sides at what im at so it makes me wonder if to look the gifthorse or just enjoy what i am gonna get and guage what i do in the future off this one?

city how you feeling bro? do you feel the same as before only stronger or does it get more mental at a higher dose?

I started at 300 and was planning on running it just like you. But on week 2 I just felt like upping my dosage to 350 and was comfortable with it. Then on week 3 I started feeling it a little but wasnt sure if it was placebo. So I went to 400 on week 4. Again I wasnt getting any sides and still was feeling stronger wasnt seeing any physical changes. So I said fuck it, uped it to 500. And now My sex drive is really starting to take off and I am a little bloated. I am glad I did. Dont let peer pressure make your decision. If you feel comfortable and thats what you want. Do it, if you dont dont. Ill let you know in 5-7 weeks the results. Right now, I feel fucking amazing. Almost too good. I notice it mentally, slightly more aggressive, high sex drive, and a just overall sense of feeling good.

 

[sharpshooter]

my first cycle: 250mg sus 10wks/30mg dbol wk 1-4
i gained 20 pounds and got strong as a bull, i was kind of nervous to go any higher, and based on my gains i really see no reason to have upped the dosage. if you're seeing good gains with 250 id stay there, if it aint broke dont fix it ya know? you wont have much time to enjoy low doses if you continue with AAS. after doing more cycles i havent seen any more sides with higher doses with the exception of more bloat and lower standards of what to fuck cus i cant control my wiener haha.

 

[jagerbombme]

lmao

 

[cejeff]

For a first cycle 250mg/wk of Test is fine. He could go to 500mg but it really isn't necessary. Plan for the future. Use that Cyp to build another cycle and view it as one less compound you'll have to buy next time.

 

[SwolK]

yea bro, if you are getting results at 250mg/week then keep it at 250mg. when you stop gaining off of 250mg then up it to 350-500mg/week. IMHO people run too high of doses too fast. i have done 3 cycles and never gone above 500mg test per week. I grow off of that so there is no need to go any higher

 

[blut wump]

If it's working, stick with it.

 

[DonCorleone562]

I say bump it up. Although you are getting good results with 250mg, bumping it up to 500mg/week would get you even better results. Remember this is your first cycle, and you should maximize your gains. 1st cycle gains own any cycles following this one...IMO

 

[X Man]

that's why i was gonna try and stick it out, but im not getting any negative sides at what im at so it makes me wonder if to look the gifthorse or just enjoy what i am gonna get and guage what i do in the future off this one?

city how you feeling bro? do you feel the same as before only stronger or does it get more mental at a higher dose?

from someone whos fallen down the wrong path.... dont do it..... because from a long term standpoint its not worth it.... cause next time ull be starting at 500 and wanna up it to 750 ahhah ya know? its a vicious cycle...im slowly now strting to realize i need more good whole food to gain weight....not just MORE abombs and test

 

[gettnlarge01]

for your first cycle 250mg/wk is fine because you need to see how you are going to react to it,not just the gains but the sides to and being on for only 17 days is not long enough to really tell anything good or bad. remember this is your first cycle not your only cycle you can always adjust up on the next cycle

 

[Bruce]

from someone whos fallen down the wrong path.... dont do it..... because from a long term standpoint its not worth it.... cause next time ull be starting at 500 and wanna up it to 750 ahhah ya know? its a vicious cycle...im slowly now strting to realize i need more good whole food to gain weight....not just MORE abombs and test

yep i used to think a bunch of test deca and dbol would do it its all about food. i would gradually go up just to see personally its your first cycle its never gonna be this good again. i would do it like city hick and go gradually, i did the same thing with the eq im on right now. i started at 500mg and went up to 600, thought it was my mind maybe so i went to 800 and its night and day with no sides. get the most out of your first cycle. if you don't notice a difference though stay down at 250, the less you can gain off the better. my metabolism is a joke and i need large doses to feel it.

 

[tmone]

hey yall. just wanted to get opinions here. im running

test e 250 ew 1-10
var 60mg ed 1-6


i have a bottle of test cyp sitting here.
this is my first cycle. i have been on now for 17 days, this week started getting amazing strength gains.

looking to do an equal amount of cutting and bulking, not just super bulking.

should i wait a couple more weeks and see how i feel?
should i throw in a cc of cyp ew with the enanth?
should i stay at 250 and see great gains because it's my first cycle?

mainly im asking is 250mg enough for first cycle? just looking for as many opinions on this as possible,


thanks yallz

i say 250mg not good enough, the male body produces somewher around 20mg of natural test per day on avaerage (depending on age) the older the less natural production , so, therefore, bye taking 250mg a week your only taking around 120mg because your natural test prodution shuts down when your body detects the Testosterone you are injecting.. I would go 500mg ew. just my opinion.

 

[booby]

my first cycle was 1 shot a week of test-e 250mgs...i got amazing results in mass and strength...if you can get good results with less gear then do it!...dont listen to anyone who is gonna tell you to up your dosage when they have no clue of your bodies own natural levels,or your age,or your genetics...stick it out at 250mgs for the rest of your cycle...do proper pct...and stay off for atleast as long as you were on preferably longer...then you can up your dosage on your second cycle...good luck bro!

 

[blut wump]

Natty test production is around 5-7mg per day. Test E is around 31% ester and 69% testosterone.

 

[jagerbombme]

Natty test production is around 5-7mg per day. Test E is around 31% ester and 69% testosterone.

good info, so does that mean my 250mg is only 172.5mg, or it's still 250 in a cc its just it only takes up 69 percent of the cc

 

[blut wump]

good info, so does that mean my 250mg is only 172.5mg, or it's still 250 in a cc its just it only takes up 69 percent of the cc

Pretty much, it means that of the 250mg of your enan only 172mg is testosterone. The rest is just the ester which is cleaved from the molecule and, effectively, discarded.

The info is relevant when calculating blood levels or when comparing different esters, such as prop to enan. I think prop is up around 83% but I'm not sure. I've posted lists of ester weights before but, being non-Plat now, it's a hassle to try to search for them.

I found this for how much of 100mg is actually testosterone. It looks like I'd confused cyp and enan so your 250 enan holds 180mg of test, half of which would be released into your system over the half-life of the ester which is about 4.5 days.

Esters:
Testosterone (no ester) 100mg
Acetate 87.26mg
Propionate 83.72mg
Enanthate 71.99mg
Cypionate 69.90mg
Decanoate 65.15mg

If anyone can fill in the missing esters...

 

[jagerbombme]

thanks alot bro