Test E @ 10 weeks...Effective?

[mm107]

Buddy wants to go 10 weeks only, (so he doesnt need to pick up another vial cheap bastard), but i told him i read everywhere that 12 weeks is optimum. It seems so many people are bugging me with Q's these days i just cant seem to remember EVERYthing i read here. or is it really worth it for the extra 2 weeks....

 

[mikefear]

10 weeks is fine.

 

[solidspine]

How many mgs per week is the question

 

[mm107]

500mg/week sorry forgot that

Also hes trying to tell me HCG doesnt need to be used in PCT if cycle is less then 10 weeks....

Im still telling him

1,000-1,500 IUs HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for the first 3 weeks. After, discontinue HCG and continue 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for an additional 3 weeks.

 

[blut wump]

You can tell buddy that he'll lose 0.1ml per shot, too. 8-10 is fine, assuming he's old enough, has enough training exp, etc. etc otherwise that'd be 8-10 weeks too long.

Don't forget that a cycle of enan or cyp that has you injecting for 12 weeks is really a 14-week cycle since you have to wait a further two weeks for levels to fall to normal physiological amounts so that endogenous test production can recommence. If the dose is high then that wait is even longer.

Whether it'll be effective in ways that he desires depends on all the often-discussed parameters of training, diet, pct, etc., except that training is seldom discussed here.

 

[dsh89]

10 weeks at 500mg per week is plenty. Great cycle actually. Have an AI on hand just in case, and have PCT, diet, and training in check.

 

[mm107]

You can tell buddy that he'll lose 0.1ml per shot, too. 8-10 is fine, assuming he's old enough, has enough training exp, etc. etc otherwise that'd be 8-10 weeks too long.

Don't forget that a cycle of enan or cyp that has you injecting for 12 weeks is really a 14-week cycle since you have to wait a further two weeks for levels to fall to normal physiological amounts so that endogenous test production can recommence. If the dose is high then that wait is even longer.

Whether it'll be effective in ways that he desires depends on all the often-discussed parameters of training, diet, pct, etc., except that training is seldom discussed here.

Hes one of the younger PL's in the group with me. trains as hard if not harder then me, and actually went out of his way to have me develope a diet for him. So his gains should be amazing. I wanted him to go on 400mg/week since everything is so planned out, but he liked th 500 and to each his own.

Hes not an average gym rat, or else i wouldnt be asking lol

(guess im a knowledgable person onAAS according to my buddies, even the gym guy who works the counter, 5'2 110lbs wet wants to talk gear, but i dont give him any advice, considering he shouldnt be juicing IMHO lol)

 

[solidspine]

You can tell buddy that he'll lose 0.1ml per shot, too. 8-10 is fine, assuming he's old enough, has enough training exp, etc. etc otherwise that'd be 8-10 weeks too long.

Don't forget that a cycle of enan or cyp that has you injecting for 12 weeks is really a 14-week cycle since you have to wait a further two weeks for levels to fall to normal physiological amounts so that endogenous test production can recommence. If the dose is high then that wait is even longer.

Whether it'll be effective in ways that he desires depends on all the often-discussed parameters of training, diet, pct, etc., except that training is seldom discussed here.

Read this post again and again, Then read it again, and again.


if you don’t understand something

Ask,


Good Luck

 

[mm107]

Read this post again and again, Then read it again, and again.


if you don’t understand something

Ask,


Good Luck

yea he nailed it on the head, i really liked the answer with, if his training/etc isnt up to par then its 8-10 weeks too long lol....

Since alot of people like this cycle, i might even change my EQ/TEST stack and just go with this cycle since i have enough test already on hand for it too....

I love the idea i get from this place, you guys always thinking smart

OK, now since im interested in this formyself as well (as i can run Test 500/week 1-10), and then use my EQ in a cutter cycle for the summer.

Since it will take an extra 2 weeks for the esters to disolve fully and the half-lifes, etc....Does PCT start 2 weeks aftter last shot?

 

[solidspine]

Also hes trying to tell me HCG doesnt need to be used in PCT if cycle is less then 10 weeks....

Anti-E

Nolvadex
Liquidex
AIFM


PCT

Clomid
HCG
Nolvadex
AIFM



If who ever doesn’t want to do this, than skip the gear and the training

 

[OMEGA]

need 3-5 weeks to kick in

keep that in mind

 

[blut wump]

yea he nailed it on the head, i really liked the answer with, if his training/etc isnt up to par then its 8-10 weeks too long lol....

Since alot of people like this cycle, i might even change my EQ/TEST stack and just go with this cycle since i have enough test already on hand for it too....

I love the idea i get from this place, you guys always thinking smart

OK, now since im interested in this formyself as well (as i can run Test 500/week 1-10), and then use my EQ in a cutter cycle for the summer.

Since it will take an extra 2 weeks for the esters to disolve fully and the half-lifes, etc....Does PCT start 2 weeks aftter last shot?

That depends on whether you consider the HCG to be part of PCT. Take a look at the PCT calculator to help plan PCT timing.

Basically, you want your HCG to be finishing the job of swelling your nuts back up to size at the time that they are about to recommence production. PCT starts the day after HCG finishes.

There are several ways to run HCG. For a cycle like this, I've had good results with 1000 iu EOD for ten days followed by clomid at 50mg ED for three weeks which you can stretch out to longer if needed. Keep the AI running a couple of weeks past the clomid while it clears. Nolva along with the HCG supposedly helps avoid Leydig cell desensitization but I know little about that. I'd run it to be on the safe side or, at least, look into it.

 

[mm107]

That depends on whether you consider the HCG to be part of PCT. Take a look at the PCT calculator to help plan PCT timing.

Basically, you want your HCG to be finishing the job of swelling your nuts back up to size at the time that they are about to recommence production. PCT starts the day after HCG finishes.

There are several ways to run HCG. For a cycle like this, I've had good results with 1000 iu EOD for ten days followed by clomid at 50mg ED for three weeks which you can stretch out to longer if needed. Keep the AI running a couple of weeks past the clomid while it clears. Nolva along with the HCG supposedly helps avoid Leydig cell desensitization but I know little about that. I'd run it to be on the safe side or, at least, look into it.

Im gonna keep digging info from you guys since u just made me switch my mind on my own cycle...

Blunt i like the idea of 1000i.u. EOD = 5,000 I.U, just trying to figure out when i would adminster my first HCG injection...

Im going to consider this "my cycle from now on out"

So my cycle would be
Test E @500mgs/week 1-10 (70 Days)

According to the PCT Calculator PCT should begin at 83 (So about 2 weeks after Last Test Injection)

So would a good PCT plan be:
1,000 I.U EOD For 10 Days - starting on Day 71 ending Day 81
Nolvadex @ 40mg day(2weeks) - Starting Day 83 Ending Day 97
Nolvadex @ 20mg day(2weeks) - Starting Day 98 Ending Day 112

I would rather stick away from Clomid due to im very prone to agression in a way that i read clomid makes u more agressive and bitchy..

 

[blut wump]

You probably should add AIFM or aromasin into that, too, and continue it for a further two weeks.

I've been using the 1500 iu amps so I have 6,000 to play with and go to six shots, which is what you have above with 71 to 81 inclusive. I expect that five shots would be as good if you have a 5,000 iu vial. You could even run it at 500 iu ED if you don't mind your belly feeling like a pincushion although the slin pins are minimally invasive.

I've not felt aggressive on clomid, just weepy. Keeping oestrogen down, for me, keeps 'bitchyness' in check.

 

[mm107]

You probably should add AIFM or aromasin into that, too, and continue it for a further two weeks.

I've been using the 1500 iu amps so I have 6,000 to play with and go to six shots, which is what you have above with 71 to 81 inclusive. I expect that five shots would be as good if you have a 5,000 iu vial. You could even run it at 500 iu ED if you don't mind your belly feeling like a pincushion although the slin pins are minimally invasive.

I've not felt aggressive on clomid, just weepy. Keeping oestrogen down, for me, keeps 'bitchyness' in check.

Will DEF be picking up AIFM from Afstore.

HMM i wouldnt mind ED injections, if that would keep my levels more stable...

Would u run AIFM throuighout cycle(this is how i would run it)?
Or run AIFM during PCT only?
Or Through Entire Cycle, PCT and all?

Man, great thread so far guys, very very informative.

I was reading that 20mg/day for 6 weeks is sufficent for Nolvadex in PCT. Is that a better idea then running 40mg (2 weeks) & 20mg (2 weeks)

 

[UA_Iron]

personally I would front load the Test E for the first 2-3 weeks.

 

[blut wump]

Will DEF be picking up AIFM from Afstore.

HMM i wouldnt mind ED injections, if that would keep my levels more stable...

Would u run AIFM throuighout cycle(this is how i would run it)?
Or run AIFM during PCT only?
Or Through Entire Cycle, PCT and all?

Man, great thread so far guys, very very informative.

I was reading that 20mg/day for 6 weeks is sufficent for Nolvadex in PCT. Is that a better idea then running 40mg (2 weeks) & 20mg (2 weeks)

I'd run the nolva at a flat 20 rather than front-loading but others will prefer a front-load. You could start it a couple of days before the HCG to allow it to start to build up. Bear in mind that it isn't going to be helping with recovery, per se, until the actual PCT begins so the period beforehand, ie during HCG, works as an effective front-load to build blood-levels.

I run an AI from start to finish, through the whole cycle and PCT and a little beyond. Some say that an AI will inhibit gains by reducing water bloat. I can do without surplus oestrogen. It's easy to increase or decrease through the cycle either way depending on how you're responding.

 

[mm107]

I'd run the nolva at a flat 20 rather than front-loading but others will prefer a front-load. You could start it a couple of days before the HCG to allow it to start to build up. Bear in mind that it isn't going to be helping with recovery, per se, until the actual PCT begins so the period beforehand, ie during HCG, works as an effective front-load to build blood-levels.

I run an AI from start to finish, through the whole cycle and PCT and a little beyond. Some say that an AI will inhibit gains by reducing water bloat. I can do without surplus oestrogen. It's easy to increase or decrease through the cycle either way depending on how you're responding.

Nice, i like the idea of running the nolva flat @ 20mg for 6 weeks.

So i SHOULD use the HCG after my last inject, 500 i.u day/10 days. 11th day start Nolva @ 20mg / day For 6 weeks.

Meanwhile i will be running AIFM the entire cycle. From start to finish. I would rather inhibit my gains somewhat by reducing the water and estrogen.

How many bottles of AIFM do you go though in a cycle?

 

[blut wump]

You might possibly get away with just one bottle. If you buy two, you'll have much of the second one still remaining but better to get two.

I think the Nolva would be better started with the HCG. It's hard to say just when to stop it but four weeks post-HCG should be enough, especially if you continue with the AIFM for another couple of weeks beyond that.

 

[mm107]

You might possibly get away with just one bottle. If you buy two, you'll have much of the second one still remaining but better to get two.

I think the Nolva would be better started with the HCG. It's hard to say just when to stop it but four weeks post-HCG should be enough, especially if you continue with the AIFM for another couple of weeks beyond that.

Sounds like a solid plan..I want to thank you. Not only did you help me clear shit up with my boy, but im honestly gonna go with the same cycle. So all this info is golden to me!

Ok so here is my Deal.

Cycle:
Test E @ 500mg/Weeks 1-10 (Inj: Tuesday/Thursday)

PCT: (Starts after Last Injection)
Weeks 11
HCG - 500i.u/day For 10 Days (Starting After Last Injection)
Nolvadex - 20mg/day for 5 Weeks (starting after Last Injection w/ HCG)

Running AIFM Entire Cycle and 2 weeks Past.

Solid yet Blunt??

 

[blut wump]

It looks fine to me except for the Tue / Thu injection schedule. Try to space them out as far as possible eg Mon / Thu. Maybe even Monday morning and Thursday evening. It'll leave you with more-even blood levels.

 

[mm107]

It looks fine to me.

WOHOOO! Thanks bro....

If you werent a Karma Millionaire i would have DEF donated alot of K t you for this one...

Honesty wish there was a ton more good bros like you, then the good advice would always be given

Thanks Honestly

 

[blut wump]

Sorry, I just edited my above post.