Test and Tren questions

[colorado1975]

Hi All -
was wondering if I could get some help here. My stats:
37
5'11
197
11% bf
-a few cycles run previously.
Last month, I had my blood work done and the doc said all looked good except that I had "very low" test levels = 359 - range 348-1197. He suggested 200 mg test cyp a month (one injection). SO, my first question is is this a substantial dose for TRT? On the 3 cycles I have run, I have been at 400-500 mg per week of test prop. I had low test before I ever did a cycle as well, 261 range 250-1100. Previously, I felt great while taking test on cycle. Additionally, I went on cycle 3 weeks ago and am on Test Prop, Tren, and Mast (with HCG, aromasin, and caber). My secondary question here is, do you think I am screwing myself by using Tren? I know Tren causes big time test shutdown, however wouldn't the test prop be making up for the shutdown? I ask this because I still feel really drained like before I ever went on cycle and in between cycles. Thoughts?

Thanks!

 

[colorado1975]

also, my LH and FSH are as follows:
LH - leutenizing hormone - = 2.4 / range 1.7 - 8.6
FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - = 0.8 / range 1.5 - 12.4

I am questioning if the nurse that called me to give me the results did not relay the message correctly about frequency of dosage. I'm looking over the report and (shockingly) am barely able to read my doc's handwriting. His note states 'Testosterone 200 mg 1 M Q month' - I'm wondering if that in fact is 200 mg a week?

 

[RobertD1885]

Test cyp has a half life of about 8 days, so a once a month injection of test cyp would be crazy. Most inject cyp once per week, and start TRT at 100mg/week, but 200mg/week is not unheard of.
'Testosterone 200 mg 1 M Q month"
I suspect you are misreading '1 M', and it is really IM, meaning intermuscular injection.
How do you know it is cypionate? It might be a different ester with a long half life.
maybe Q month means 4 times a month, no clue on that one.

Supplementing 500mg/week testosterone of any kind is going to shut your natural test production, or maybe I don't understand your question about test prop making up for it.

eta: am I the only person on the internet that does not know his exact body fat percentage?

 

[Zyglamail]

200 once a month is going to jack you up. It will be enough to shut you down and then its effects will be nonexistant after 10 days or so and you will feel like crap the rest of the month. Most clinics will have you on at least 100mg/week.

That may however just be his starting point and will tweak things from there, but that can take some time as well.

 

[Labtec70]

I agree with Robert: Test. 200 mg 1 M Q month" should really read Testosterone IM Quarter of a Month. This would mean 200mg x 4 = One month.
HOWEVER...I started TRT on 250mg per month and it took a hell of a fight to get the frequency up to 3-weekly which is still only <85mg per week. After 10 days I'm feeling no benefit from therapy at all.
Problem is doctors don't recognise this. The literature with the meds says every month so every month it is! The paperwork always states that steroid is still active at four weeks. Okay, that might be so, but 200mg of (in your case) steroid at day three
is totally different in effect to the 3% active steroid in your system at week 3 onwards. Doctors seem to think there is no difference in how a guy feels with these ups and downs. They really need to get this sorted because Androtherapy is very successful
in general and could be even better if doctors et al., went on a course and got some appreciation and expert understanding of how these drugs work.
200mg/4wks sounds totally inadequate, even dangerous, but it wouldn't surprise me if this was the case. We have a lot of practitioners who pay lip service to blood results and patients. By this I mean they're thinking..."I know he is low on T and a candidate for treatment and therapy, however, I don't agree with prescribing steroids and personally do not ascribe to their use. Nevertheless, I have to be seen as doing something and whilst erring on the side of caution I'll prescribe a subminimal dose".
Sorry for being so sceptical, but I've been there mant times in the last 11 years. If the doctor is the sort of guy I think he might be, I'd go as far as saying this...
If you don't feel any benefit and actually feel worse from the treatment (at the dose of 200mg a month) he might use it as an excuse to pull you from therapy and say the testosterone levels aren't the problem and it's all in your head. I'm not saying this will happen but just keep this in mind as an heads up.
The prescribing of steroids for the andropause or similar is a very contentious issue and many doctors are very sceptical and against it. Sad but very true, I'm afraid.
Make sure you insist on the best treatment appropriate for you.
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