taper up then taper down?

[heavy_duty]

You ever taper up or just jump right into the deep end?
I recall discussing this many years ago that to taper up was not a good idea.

 

[Mr.X]

The taper theory was flawed to begin with. Tapering is a waste of time IMO

 

[bluetwistedsteel67]

old school thinking. Just jump in with both feet.

 

[LVTitan]

yup old school thinking... hit it hard from the beginning with the full amount , your receptors are fresh. run the cycle, you can use short acting gear at the end if you want to time your pct better, but just run the same dose thruout the cycle, calculate your pct by the type of esters you are using and go from there... good luck
if you have certain gear in mind, let us know what you are considering and maybe we can help you fine tune your cycle

 

[BOWTECH]

Hit it hard right from the beginning

 

[Retabolil2]

I`m taking 150mg dbol a day. If any of you is able to start up with that dosage then good luck! I remember I tried to start my cycle with 70mg a day and I had tons of problems with BP. So I always taper up. Let you body get used to higher dosages, also there is no reason to start at highest dosage possible if a smaller dosage brings you good results. Call it old school but I still believe this method.

 

[heavy_duty]

Taper up will help in the event of negative side effects. of course it prolly cost you a bit more money in the long run.

 

[karachi183]

I like tapering orals. but i have no experience with tapering injects..

 

[Retabolil2]

I like tapering orals. but i have no experience with tapering injects..

its not necessary with long acting esthers like enanthate or blends like sustanon, this stuff slowly leaves yor body, selftapering down.

 

[Wrongun]

IMO tapering is not necessary for either oral or injectables! it was old methodology that IMO has been proved to be flawed.

With orals and tapering dosage, recovery isn't going to start until you are at a very low dosage (say 5mg/day) ane even then it is possible you are still supressing TSH so not beneficial.

With injectables like Ret says the long acting esters will self taper. Now without the use of PCT meds i can see some benefit (and why it was used before IMHO) but now not a worthwile exercise.

Saying all that i can see benefits if taking a new med to your body at a high dosage so as to judge sides. Now this is ok if such as Dbol with a short half life as you will be able to experience sides and curtail dosage quickly until you reach your saturation level. Again though this would only be tapering up and not down IMHO

Wrongun!

 

[zips92]

Tend to agree in isolated cases if you are taking a new AAS that is very strong and short acting, may want to consider tapering up in case you get some bad, quick acting, negative sides.

Otherwise, and for most part, I am not a big believer in tapering, from my own experiences, and I think I have wasted a lot of money in the past practicing tapering up and down with various AAS.

 

[Singleton]

If I start with too much test, I'll be humping the walls.

And I taper down, at the end to avoid a harsh crash with too much E and cortisol. If there's a better way to come off, I wanna know.

 

[Throw2Far]

Don't taper... Front load... Get levels up and keep them there and then quit cold turkey. I like to end with short acting esters to stop immediately.

 

[Retabolil2]

Don't taper... Front load... Get levels up and keep them there and then quit cold turkey. I like to end with short acting esters to stop immediately.

As I said try to front load 150mg dbol. You`ll get sides and most likely will be forced to call a doc. frontloading is good for injectibles such as test enanthate, cyp, deca, sust etc. but not for strong acting orals

 

[paridhm]

In most cases I feel there is no need to taper, unless using huge amounts like Ret is. As far as the taper down; I think that is a very flawed theory. Just the smallest amount of aas in your body will throw it's hormonal axis off. So, lets say, cutting half then half etc... at the end of the cycle is doing nothing but costing you gains and money.

 

[heavy_duty]

anything new to add to this?

 

[paridhm]

anything new to add to this?

Have you ever read Anabolics 2000 or any of the other Anabolic books by William Llewlyn (sp)? Anabolics 2000 is where I learned about the taper theory at the end of the cycle being a flawed theory.