take a look....need some gyno advice.

[Sober]

what are some signs of gyno? im only doing 400mg of the underdosed enanthate and 50mg of dbol. the pumps are insane, but i hate the lower back pumps just walking...ugh.
so far ive had some water gain, i can feel it in my hands the most. but no itchy nips, no funky lumps under my nips. what should i look for? i have .25 arimidex on hand that im going to start after week 4 of the dbol. if i there isnt any gyno symptoms, do you think that its a good idea? or should i do like .25 eod just to fend off any higher estrogen floating around. please help guys.

thanks.

 

[Nimrod25]

Arimidex inhibits aromatization, being 4 weeks in a significant amount of aromatization has already occured. You should have started arimidex day 1, but it will help some by using now. Itchy nips are the first sign of gyno, if u have nolvadex use that if u feel the early signs.

 

[Sober]

correct me if im wrong, but doesnt some estrogen need to be present for test to do its thing? just what i read. not sure where, but a mod advised me to do it this way,right after the dbol is dropped.... he told me id like the water strength. and at these low of doses i shouldnt worry about aromitization to a greater degree.

sober

 

[Nimrod25]

Arimidex will not completely eliminate estrogen, and yes it is important to have some estrogen, but I disagree with the advice of that Mod.

 

[barnes3]

Sober, I would go along with what Nimrod says. Yeah, you might not get the gains as if you had not used the Arimidex (purely going with what the Anonymous Mod said). But look at it this way, you could not use it and get gyno and have a hell of a time trying to get rid of it, or you could prevent it and just do another cycle to get bigger. Just have patience.

Options:
Cycle with out anti-estrogen and result with gyno and mass
or
Cycle with anti-estrogen resulting with mass and no gyno

You decide...

barnes3

 

[Audio8]

gyno is not an inevitability...it may or may not apear, and at those doses, the odds are most likely in your favor. But yes, it's prudent to be safe about it.

 

[Sober]

good input guys.thanks..... i decided im gonna start the arimidex. better not chance it. hell i guess i should have nolva on hand as well...

sober

 

[Nathan]

Stop the d-bol as well as the arimidex. 50mg is trouble.

 

[Sober]

why stop the dbol and arimidex? please explain.

-sober

 

[Nathan]

Sorry I meant stop the d-bo and start the Arimidex. At the very least lower the d-bol. 50mg is quite a bit and that much can so easily cause gyno, wel, quite frankly without any anti-e's I'd be saurprised if you didn't get gyno with 50mg d-bol ED.

 

[Sober]

understood. im going to run them together for the last 2 weeks of the dbol..i love the pumps from the dbol...50mg might be an overstated dose because im using some **ones. but there is definately dbol in em.

sober

 

[barnes3]

50mg of dbol is not unreasonable considering most people on average do between 30mg-50mg a day anyways. 30mg for beginners, and add to it as your receptors grow acustom to it. It is not unreasonable as long as he is taking the necessary precautions for his liver and kidneys. Lots of water, cranberry juice/concentrate, milk thislte, etc...

barnes3

 

[Audio8]

i've taken 50mg before (w/o arimidex) with no problem...then again, it wasn't for the entire 4 weeks. I kinda worked up to it since it was only my 3rd time on Dbols.


They we're IP's by the way.....I wouldn't go up to 50mg with anything else...yet.

 

[Sober]

yes all supplements are in check. ive been researching since i found this board, way before my registration date by my handle.
daily:
1 multivitamin
400mg ALA
2-300mg L-glutathione
3 caps of tylers liv detox
tons of water

seems to be doing okay for me so far...i know what liver poisoning feels like, one night i ate about 6 lortabs and was drinking like a fool...needless to say i felt like i was about to die all day next day, musta fried the shit outta my liver that time.


-sober

 

[Maxx Out]

Some people don't ever get gyno even w/15tabs dbol a day. I would take the arimi. just as u said eod and see if that helps w/bloat----if not then up it to ed.

Maxx >>>>>